The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I think you're taking that too literally. He's just very confident that Burnett will bounce back' date=' and despite the definitive language, I'm willing to bet that Jacko realizes there's no way he can be 100% sure (because, well, it's obvious). But I'm sure he can clarify this for us.[/quote']

 

Confident/sure/positive/most likely whatever you want to call it. It sounded like he was 100% sure which is why I'm going to lmao if he doesn't improve.

[example1]

I think you're taking that too literally. He's just very confident that Burnett will bounce back' date=' and despite the definitive language, I'm willing to bet that Jacko realizes there's no way he can be 100% sure (because, well, it's obvious). But I'm sure he can clarify this for us.[/quote']

 

I think on this forum, being literal is one of the ways we understand each other. This is a forum where writing is pretty much the only way we communicate. I choose my words carefully, he should too, especially when he's arguing about something he knows most will disagree with.

 

I also just think it is good practice in general to avoid statements of certainty about thing that have yet to happen. Do I plan on being at work on Monday? Yes. Am I certain I will be there? Nope. s*** happens.

[jacksonianmarch]

Felipe Lopez signed a minor league deal with TB. The sox will not get a pick

[BSN07]

Felipe Lopez signed a minor league deal with TB. The sox will not get a pick

 

I knew he wouldn't get a major league deal. I'm not sure why anyone thought a guy that struggled to get a 1 year ML deal off a good season, would magically get one coming off a bad season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Punxsutawney Phil came out of his borough this morning, Spring is coming early!

 

Yankees fans are pissed.

[EXman369]

Thank god he hasn't seen spring in a while

[a700hitter]

I think on this forum, being literal is one of the ways we understand each other. This is a forum where writing is pretty much the only way we communicate. I choose my words carefully, he should too, especially when he's arguing about something he knows most will disagree with.

 

I also just think it is good practice in general to avoid statements of certainty about thing that have yet to happen. Do I plan on being at work on Monday? Yes. Am I certain I will be there? Nope. s*** happens.

It's an opinion forum. Facts can support our opinions, but in the end no one can be certain about his/her predictions/opinions. I come about as close to certainty as humanly possible. I have no problem with someone stating his/her opinion in a strong manner or couching it in terms of certainty, because I realize that it is merely an opinion. I don't see the need to point that out each and every time someone states an opinion.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's an opinion forum. Facts can support our opinions' date=' but in the end no one can be certain about his/her predictions/opinions. I come about as close to certainty as humanly possible. I have no problem with someone stating his/her opinion in a strong manner or couching it in terms of certainty, because I realize that it is merely an opinion. I don't see the need to point that out each and every time someone states an opinion.[/quote']

 

Saying "I think" and saying "I'm sure of it" are two completely different things. If I said "I think it's going to rain today", ok that's my opinion, no big deal. If I said "It's going to rain today. I'm sure of it", that's completely different.

 

And in Burnett's case, saying you're sure he's going bounce back is like sayin you're sure it's going to rain today when it's 90 degrees without a cloud in the sky. There are no indications that he's going to bounce back at all, no injuries, nothing. People blamed it on not having Eiland, but now Eiland is gone to TB so what indicates that he'll bounce back without Eiland around.

 

Just saying you're sure of something that very unpredictable is the problem.

[yankees228]

I think on this forum, being literal is one of the ways we understand each other. This is a forum where writing is pretty much the only way we communicate. I choose my words carefully, he should too, especially when he's arguing about something he knows most will disagree with.

 

I also just think it is good practice in general to avoid statements of certainty about thing that have yet to happen. Do I plan on being at work on Monday? Yes. Am I certain I will be there? Nope. s*** happens.

 

Alright, that's fair. I just thought it was reasonable to assume that his statement wasn't meant to be taken literally because he can't possibly know what he's claiming. But I see your point, and like you, I also avoid statements of certainty.

[a700hitter]

Saying "I think" and saying "I'm sure of it" are two completely different things. If I said "I think it's going to rain today", ok that's my opinion, no big deal. If I said "It's going to rain today. I'm sure of it", that's completely different.

 

And in Burnett's case, saying you're sure he's going bounce back is like sayin you're sure it's going to rain today when it's 90 degrees without a cloud in the sky. There are no indications that he's going to bounce back at all, no injuries, nothing. People blamed it on not having Eiland, but now Eiland is gone to TB so what indicates that he'll bounce back without Eiland around.

 

Just saying you're sure of something that very unpredictable is the problem.

I think we can all differentiate between opinion and fact, even if that opinion is stated with absolute certainty. If he doesn't understand that he was stating an opinion then he is delusional, and it doesn't pay to argue with or correct a delusional person. By now it should be an accepted premise that this forum is almost entirely opinion. Nothing is more boring than arguments where one party is saying he is certain and others disputing that possibility. It's all opinion.

[Palodios]

But at the same time, its incredibly annoying when someone is constantly saying "Until we see this actually happen, and know for certain, we shouldn't discuss it, because no one knows" especially when there is a good discussion going on.

[a700hitter]

But at the same time' date=' its incredibly annoying when someone is constantly saying "Until we see this actually happen, and know for certain, we shouldn't discuss it, because no one knows" especially when there is a good discussion going on.[/quote']Agreed.

[Dipre]

Making statements assuring any type of outcome is fun, but getting called out on it should be expected.

 

s*** happens, and then you die.

[a700hitter]

Making statements assuring any type of outcome is fun, but getting called out on it should be expected.

 

s*** happens, and then you die.

It's fine to call someone out on their opinion. That is what we do here, but it is pointless to debate whether someone can be certain about their opinion. If they are certain, then they will have nowhere to hide if they are proved wrong. Me, I hate wishy washy opinions with all sorts of qualifiers and contingencies. Put it out there and take you lumps if you are wrong, but proving to the person that they can't be certain about their opinion is silly.

[Dipre]

It's fine to call someone out on their opinion. That is what we do here' date=' but it is pointless to debate whether someone can be certain about their opinion. If they are certain, then they will have nowhere to hide if they are proved wrong. Me, I hate wishy washy opinions with all sorts of qualifiers and contingencies. Put it out there and take you lumps if you are wrong, but proving to the person that they can't be certain about their opinion is silly.[/quote']

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but there's a difference between opinion and fact, and when you present an assertion as fact, then it stops being "just an opinion". That's the section of the "point of view" i found pertinent to challenge.

[a700hitter]

Correct me if i'm wrong' date=' but there's a difference between opinion and fact, and when you present an assertion as fact, then it stops being "just an opinion". That's the section of the "point of view" i found pertinent to challenge.[/quote']Re-read my earlier pos. It explains my "opinion" on this matter.

[Dipre]

I'm asking for your opinion in this particular matter though. Opinions will be called out obviously, it's a forum, but presenting your opinion as fact is asking for it.

[a700hitter]

I'm asking for your opinion in this particular matter though. Opinions will be called out obviously' date=' it's a forum, but presenting your opinion as fact is asking for it.[/quote']People state their opinions as fact all the time. It can be dealt with by simply responding that it is one person's opinion. Nothing more is needed. If the person responds back that their opinion is a fact, then the person is delusional. There's no point to debating with a delusional person. If the person acknowledges that it is an opinion, but that he/she is certain about it, that's a strong prediction but not a statement of fact. Before everyone is bored to death by posters reaming the guy for stating something as a fact, spare us the tedium and ask him if he thinks it is a fact or whether he is making a prediction. If he's making a prediction, it can be debated, but debating the strength of his conviction is not relevant. Only time and events will determine who is right.

[Dipre]

People state their opinions as fact all the time. It can be dealt with by simply responding that it is one person's opinion. Nothing more is needed. If the person responds back that their opinion is a fact' date=' then the person is delusional. There's no point to debating with a delusional person. If the person acknowledges that it is an opinion, but that he/she is certain about it, that's a strong prediction but not a statement of fact. Before everyone is bored to death by posters reaming the guy for stating something as a fact, spare us the tedium and ask him if he thinks it is a fact or whether he is making a prediction. If he's making a prediction, it can be debated, but debating the strength of his conviction is not relevant. Only time and events will determine who is right.[/quote']

 

How dare you call Jacko delusional!

 

 

On a side note, i've been trying to get ahold of you, but i changed my e-mail address so now i figure that may be why i haven't gotten through.

 

I'll e-mail ya later from my old address old timer.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Wait. Did RSFFL get banned??

 

EDIT: Nevermind. I saw his banter with Suns. How did me and Dipre not catch and flack for our fighting a few weeks ago? All RSFFL did was bold his comments. We were using size 984 font bold italics and underlined.

[BSN07]

Wait. Did RSFFL get banned??

 

EDIT: Nevermind. I saw his banter with Suns. How did me and Dipre not catch and flack for our fighting a few weeks ago? All RSFFL did was bold his comments. We were using size 984 font bold italics and underlined.

 

Permanent ban?

[Palodios]

RSFFL is a good poster usually. I doubt its a permaban.

[bsox0407]

RSFFL is a good poster usually. I doubt its a permaban.

 

It is a one week ban. At the end of the fight. Yeszir posted that both would recieve one week bans.

[SoxFanForsyth]

According to well-placed sources, moles and spies, Jonathan Papelbon, Ryan Kalish, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Daniel Nava and Lenny DiNardo are among the players working out at the Red Sox complex down in Florida.

 

From Pete Abe - Boston Globe.

 

Maybe Pap is really going to take this season serious. Hopefully we will see 2008 Papelbon.

[SoxSport]

Punxsutawney Phil came out of his borough this morning, Spring is coming early!

 

QUOTE]

 

Global Warming must be confusing Phil like the rest of us.

[SoxSport]

From Pete Abe - Boston Globe.

 

Maybe Pap is really going to take this season serious. Hopefully we will see 2008 Papelbon.

 

No splitter, no show me the money, Paps.

[a700hitter]

It is a one week ban. At the end of the fight. Yeszir posted that both would recieve one week bans.

I'm glad that RSFFL's ban is not permanent. He never engages in any fighting or feuding.

[SoxSport]

As for Beckett - his fastball got raked last year. From 2007 - 2009' date=' his fastball's runs above average was 17.8, 18.7, and 9.2. Then, in 2010, it dropped to -14.5. His curveball also dropped 4.8 runs above average in comparison to 2009. Last time his wFB was below 0 was in 2006 when he posted a 5.01 ERA. Gotta get that fastball working and stop throwing that cutter so damn much.[/quote']

 

Beckett throws so many meatballs you think he was an Italian chef.

[italstallianion]

It was also bad timing. Suns and RSFFL were fighting WHILE yeszir was online, and yeszir even told them to stop during the battle, so that's probably a lot of it. Whereas I don't think he was online when Forsyth and Dipre, or myself, Keeper, and JE were fighting. I like RSFFL a lot too, but I'd imagine that most of us have been temp banned at one point or another, and I think we've all learned from that experience. If I didn't get banned at one point last year I'd probably still hate a700.

[a700hitter]

If I didn't get banned at one point last year I'd probably still hate a700.

Thank you