The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[Divinity]

He should be happy that AJ Burnett makes more money and got a longer contract despite his suckiness? I don't think so.

 

The consequence for the Yankees blowing every other FA out of the water these past few years should be that they have to pay Jeter what he wants. It only seems fair from my point of view.

 

Burnett was fortunate to perform exceptionally well during his contract year which proved to earn him more money and he was 32, not 36. How many 36 year olds get 5 year deals? lol. AJ finished the 2008 season with an 18–10 record and established career highs in almost every single pitching category. He set a career high with 18 wins, started 34 games, pitched 221 1/3 innings, and led the American league with 231 strikeouts.

 

The Yankees are already going to overpay Jeter, I'm sure they're willing to dish out a extra 2 million so he makes more then Burnett if it comes down to it. But the fact you think he should get a blank check from the Yankees is a bit absurd.

[example1]

For everything Jeter has done for that club, he shouldn't have to have a contract year to get his payday.

 

Also, isn't A-Rod's contract going to pay him until he's 42? That's a 5 year deal to a 37 year old, but he signed the contract 5 years earlier.

 

Overall I agree with you about not giving him a blank check, but that the Yankees choose NOW to pinch pennies is a bit pathetic, IMO. I hope Jeter gets pissed off and leaves.

[alphilip77]

I want Jeter nowhere near SS for the Red Sox. Or 3B for that matter. He is not worth the $. This sounds like a move for a desperate organization. I don't see the Sox as that. They lost viewers last season because some casual fans don't want to watch the Red Sox AAA team. Viewership will be back up next season. They don't need to add Jeter to do that. 10 years ago it would have been the steal of the century. Now it would be like marrying the home coming queen from your high school after shes had 4 kids with 4 different baby's daddy. You can say your married to the homecoming queen, but shes got a bulging waist line and not many good miles left on her. Plus now your stuck paying for her 4 little bastards to boot.

 

 

No thanks to Jeter.

 

Lol. Analogies of Jeter being a used up woman make my day.

[example1]

Saw a good point at SP.com and want to expand on it a bit...

 

Bard is potentially an excellent SP and his name should be floated as such. Yes, he's a tremendous reliever, but a team like Arizona would certainly want to look at him as a SP, no? His stuff is possibly the best in baseball, he's got the frame and is young enough to convert. He struggled with it in MiLB, but he's older and has refined his stuff.

 

I was against throwing Bard into any deal because the Sox pen needs him. That said, if he were the main piece of a deal I might be able to get behind it. They can take a look at trading him as a very high ceiling SP. Bard, Doubront and Anderson/Rizzo would be another offer that I could get behind. It's a good package for Arizona, could be supplemented by numerous additional players if not enough, and would let the Sox keep players like Iglesias, Ellsbury, Kelly, Pimentel, Kalish, and Lowrie.

[Dojji]

3.6 BB/9. Stuff is fantastic, but I think moving him to the pen happened because of his command. If he was even a bit better about not walking people I'd be right there with you.

[BSN07]

The Royals might as well also trade Joakim Soria if they're going to move Zack Greinke this winter, reasons Sports Illustrated's Jon Heyman

 

I know it's him just throwing something out there. But if the Sox are really looking to move Papelbon, Soria would be a great replacement. Now his cost is a whole other consideration. Maybe they could swing the return for Papelbon + one of their own trade chips to get a deal done?

[SoxSport]

I hope their priorities are bringing back Beltre and VMart, and maybe tweaking the bullpen a bit.

This club, without injuries, might have won 100 games last year.

[BSN07]

I hope their priorities are bringing back Beltre and VMart, and maybe tweaking the bullpen a bit.

This club, without injuries, might have won 100 games last year.

 

Beltre already has a 5 year 64M offer on the table. The Sox have already said they won't be going above 4/52. Beltre is gone.

[redsoxrules]

Jeter isn't going anywheres.

there's NWIH the Yanks let him walk when he's less than 100 hits away from 3,000

 

Jeter has the upper hand with this deal

[jacksonianmarch]

He has the upper hand? How? He got offered a 3yr $45 mil contract. Not a soul on the open market will beat that for a subpar SS and a guy coming off his worst offensive season of his career at the age of 36. Not a chance. This is going to be long and drawn out, but if the Yanks stick to their guns and leave this package as is, he will accept it

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I hope their priorities are bringing back Beltre and VMart, and maybe tweaking the bullpen a bit.

This club, without injuries, might have won 100 games last year.

 

I can live without Beltre. I really want to see V-Mart back though. Salty as a starting catcher does not make me happy.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Beltre is gone. The A's surpassed the sox on years and hit the $13 mil mark with the AAV. I bet someone beats the A's out and goes even further. As it stands, right now the sox are out of the running (assuming they stick to the 4/52) and by the time the final offers come in, the sox max will be blown out of the water

 

I think the same thing happens with VMart, although I bet the sox are willing to go past it a bit. The Tigers need offense and they need a catcher. And, they have a ton of money coming off the books. I could see the Tigers running this thing up to the end. I predicted before the season that a Posada deal would be a starting point. Well, a 4/52 is exactly what Posada signed his last contract for. If the Tigers go past that, say to 4/60 or 5/65 then they get him. And I bet they would be easily willing to do either.

 

So this then goes down to who would the replacement be. If VMart and Beltre leaves, who do they go with? Olivo and Salty at the dish? Maybe Derrek Lee at 1b and Youk at 3B? Do they deal Scutaro and go with Lowrie full time at SS? Lots of question marks. This next month is going to be pretty cool to follow from a transactions POV

[yankees228]

He has the upper hand? How? He got offered a 3yr $45 mil contract. Not a soul on the open market will beat that for a subpar SS and a guy coming off his worst offensive season of his career at the age of 36. Not a chance. This is going to be long and drawn out' date=' but if the Yanks stick to their guns and leave this package as is, he will accept it[/quote']

 

Ha! Like the Yankees would ever draw a hard line with Jeter. Soon enough that 3/45 offer will be 3/60 with an option for a fourth year at the same rate. Hopefully he accepts that, and they don't end up guaranteeing more years.

[jacksonianmarch]

What they should do and what they will do may be two different things.

[redsoxrules]

He has the upper hand? How? He got offered a 3yr $45 mil contract. Not a soul on the open market will beat that for a subpar SS and a guy coming off his worst offensive season of his career at the age of 36. Not a chance. This is going to be long and drawn out' date=' but if the Yanks stick to their guns and leave this package as is, he will accept it[/quote']

 

you're missing the point .....

 

can you imagine if the Yankee's decline Jeter and let him walk ? All of NY wants to see Jeter get his 3,000 as a yankee and more . the Yankee's cannot let that happen , it would be bad for them

 

also , with what their paying A-rod and and Burnett , 4/60 is steal of a deal for Jeter

[Republican4life38]

No idea what the obsession with Saltalamacchia is. The guy has been chased off the Braves and Rangers already. That right there tells me he shouldn't be any where near Fenway park let alone the starting catcher with 5 high paid starting pitchers.

[d-money]

Since when did the yankees have a budget?Jeter should play hardball with the yankees.!He has been the face of the franchise.He should get that extra year.

[Will617]

No idea what the obsession with Saltalamacchia is. The guy has been chased off the Braves and Rangers already. That right there tells me he shouldn't be any where near Fenway park let alone the starting catcher with 5 high paid starting pitchers.

 

He wasn't exactly chased off the Braves; being sent as one of the top prospects in the Mark Teixeira trade is a pretty high status. He was chased off the Rangers due to throwing concerns, which he's fixed in Boston.

I don't think that he should be the starting catcher in 2011, but that doesn't mean that Salty will never deserve a spot with the Sox. He was one of the headliners in the Mark Teixeira trade for a reason.

[Will617]

Since when did the yankees have a budget?Jeter should play hardball with the yankees.!He has been the face of the franchise.He should get that extra year.

 

Seems like the new Steinbrenners are more serious about this budget stuff than their father was. Jeter cannot really threaten to leave, since no one else will pay him that amount. It's not particularly relevant how much other players on the Yankees make, the Yankees know it's about how much other teams will pay him.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Jeter will get what he wants. He has leverage on his side. Yankee fans would be irate if he ever played for another team...I will enjoy watching the Yankees pay $15-18 mill a year for a player who isn't worth $5 mill..if it based on production.

[Divinity]

Jeter will get what he wants. He has leverage on his side. Yankee fans would be irate if he ever played for another team...I will enjoy watching the Yankees pay $15-18 mill a year for a player who isn't worth $5 mill..if it based on production.

 

To the Yankees money is just the number, I hope watching the Yankees overpay Cliff Lee will bring you lots of enjoyment too, cause he'll be bringing plenty of tears to yours eyes in the future.

[jacksonianmarch]

The annoying thing about overpaying Jeter is that it's truly just pandering to the "pink hat" section of the Yankee fanbase. Diehard fans who actually watch games can see he's lost a handful of steps and looked pretty pedestrian in the box this yr. But he is marketable and he does make the yanks money, but this must be a baseball decision first. If they stick to that theory, then they will leave the offer as is

[redsoxrules]

To the Yankees money is just the number' date=' I hope watching the Yankees overpay Cliff Lee will bring you lots of enjoyment too, cause he'll be bringing plenty of tears to yours eyes in the future. [/quote']

 

it will in 2-3 years when he starts to decline like A-rod has been and then will have another big contract they cant get rid off

[YAZMAN]

The annoying thing about overpaying Jeter is that it's truly just pandering to the "pink hat" section of the Yankee fanbase. Diehard fans who actually watch games can see he's lost a handful of steps and looked pretty pedestrian in the box this yr. But he is marketable and he does make the yanks money' date=' but this must be a baseball decision first. If they stick to that theory, then they will leave the offer as is[/quote']

 

Question is do you want him back as your SS?

What is your ceiling on a contract?

[jacksonianmarch]

it will in 2-3 years when he starts to decline like A-rod has been and then will have another big contract they cant get rid off

 

I actually think ARod is going to show that his decline was vastly overrated. First of all, ARod wasnt healthy through the first 2 months of the season. He looked like he was made of stone. Eventually, they worked out his hip and he started moving a lot better. Shortly after that came the 600HR chase where he acted like a child, again, and sucked for 3 weeks before he finally hit the big homer. Then, when all seemed right in the world, he hurt his calf and was on the shelf again. That being said, 30HR and 115RBI isnt bad for a guy with such a topsy turvy season. With no milestones ahead and presumably much more DH time, I bet ARod gets back over .900OPS with 35HR and another 110RBI+ season. His bat didnt slow this past yr, probably due to the residual steroid effect, but his bat looked good. I thought his lower half gave him a good amount of trouble which he should be healthy for this yr

[jacksonianmarch]

Question is do you want him back as your SS?

What is your ceiling on a contract?

 

No, I dont. I could care less about 3,000 hits. Really, I would rather see a guy with a career .900+OPS than 3,000 hits. I am one of those radical Yankee fans who would love to see Jeter go off into the sunset with another team. He isnt an outfielder, yet. He cannot move to 3b. He doesnt hit enough to DH. And his range has slowed to a point where he is a liability at SS. I would rather have Eduardo Nunez starting at SS in 2011 than Jeter. I think Nunez can easily match the .710OPS of Jeter's in 2011 and can run circles around him in the IF.

 

If I HAD to retain him, then I would offer a 3yr $30 mil contract and leave it out there until Christmas. If he didnt take it, then I would pare it down to 2/20 and see when he accepts it

[redsoxrules]

I actually think ARod is going to show that his decline was vastly overrated. First of all' date=' ARod wasnt healthy through the first 2 months of the season. He looked like he was made of stone. Eventually, they worked out his hip and he started moving a lot better. Shortly after that came the 600HR chase where he acted like a child, again, and sucked for 3 weeks before he finally hit the big homer. Then, when all seemed right in the world, he hurt his calf and was on the shelf again. That being said, 30HR and 115RBI isnt bad for a guy with such a topsy turvy season. With no milestones ahead and presumably much more DH time, I bet ARod gets back over .900OPS with 35HR and another 110RBI+ season. His bat didnt slow this past yr, probably due to the residual steroid effect, but his bat looked good. I thought his lower half gave him a good amount of trouble which he should be healthy for this yr[/quote']

 

 

2007 1067 OPS

2008 965 OPS

2009 933 OPS

2010 847 OPS

 

AVG of 133 games played per year from 2008-2010

his body is allready falling apart and you expect him to go upwards ?

he's just as fragile as JD drew

 

 

A-rods contract is horrible any way you slice it ....... Is going to play more DH? that's a lot of money to be paying someone to play DH . even if he reaches 900 OPS , that's f***ing horrible money wise . he should be 1000+ for the money he's getting

 

A-rods contract was dumb when they extended him ,

[jacksonianmarch]

2007 1067 OPS

2008 965 OPS

2009 933 OPS

2010 847 OPS

 

AVG of 133 games played per year from 2008-2010

his body is allready falling apart and you expect him to go upwards ?

he's just as fragile as JD drew

 

 

A-rods contract is horrible any way you slice it ....... Is going to play more DH? that's a lot of money to be paying someone to play DH . even if he reaches 900 OPS , that's f***ing horrible money wise . he should be 1000+ for the money he's getting

 

A-rods contract was dumb when they extended him ,

 

He was injured prior to 2009, it really took him all of 2009 and most of 2010 to get healthy, then he got hurt again at the end of the season. I dont think he becomes an iron man, but with the DH spot being more open than yrs past, I expect him to get a bit more mileage. I am definitely of the belief that ARod will rebound in 2011. In terms of his contract, no objection here. That was stupid

[Palodios]

I disagree with all these people about money. When you're building a Deathstar, you can't try to scimp on your superlaser.

[Divinity]

He cannot move to 3b.

 

Why can't Jeter move to 3B? After this year Posada will be gone and the Yankees can move A Rod to DH full time, which will improve his offense. Jeter could play better at 3B than at SS, and the Yankees could sign Jose Reyes through FA. Seems like the most logical move to me.