The "Unofficial Pre- Hot Stove (2010)" thread.

[Dojji]

Ortiz going to NYY would add another 5-6 HR's a year. That park is built for guys like him.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Ortiz going to NYY would add another 5-6 HR's a year. That park is built for guys like him.

 

5-6 home runs is also about the rate at which he'll continue to decline every year. it would also mean that posada and a-rod are out of the lineup a lot less

 

in a perfect world, we'd have a dh that plays the field so we could rotate guys in the dh position like the yankees do

[a700hitter]

5-6 home runs is also about the rate at which he'll continue to decline every year. it would also mean that posada and a-rod are out of the lineup a lot less

 

in a perfect world, we'd have a dh that plays the field so we could rotate guys in the dh position like the yankees do

He's hit more HRs this season than last season, so where are you getting the 6-7 HR/yr decline?

[Yaz Sideburn]

He's hit more HRs this season than last season' date=' so where are you getting the 6-7 HR/yr decline?[/quote']

 

he's going to be 35 and his power has really dropped off the last 3 years. it's all downhill from here

[Dojji]

You realize that Ortiz has had his best offensive year since his 2007 heyday right? His power is way better this year than last. Give the man credit where it's due.

 

It's not like big guys all get lost when they tun 35. Frank Thomas kept playing intio his 40's and Jim Thome is still rattling around for what that's worth.

[Yaz Sideburn]

You realize that Ortiz has had his best offensive year since his 27 heyday right? His power is way better this year than last. Give the man credit where it's due.

 

It's not like big guys all get lost when they tun 35. Frank Thomas kept playing intio his 40's and Jim Thome is still rattling around for what that's worth.

 

i don't know what his "27 heyday" is but he hasn't been anything special the last 3 years and i doubt a jump in his numbers this year are the sign of a hitting rennaisance as he approaches his late 30's

[a700hitter]

he's going to be 35 and his power has really dropped off the last 3 years. it's all downhill from here

The decline with a big guy like Ortiz doesn't usually come in 6-7 HR annual increments. There is usually a sudden precipitous drop off followed by a quick end. If next year isn't that year and he ends up in Yankee Stadium, be prepared for the possibility of 40 bombs almost entirely against right handed pitching. That's one scary platoon player.

[Yaz Sideburn]

The decline with a big guy like Ortiz doesn't usually come in 6-7 HR annual increments. There is usually a sudden precipitous drop off followed by a quick end. If next year isn't that year and he ends up in Yankee Stadium' date=' be prepared for the possibility of 40 bombs almost entirely against right handed pitching. That's one scary platoon player.[/quote']

 

i wasn't being literal when i said he's going to decline about 6-7 home runs and i doubt he hits 40 home runs next year, no matter where he plays

[a700hitter]

i don't know what his "27 heyday" is but he hasn't been anything special the last 3 years and i doubt a jump in his numbers this year are the sign of a hitting rennaisance as he approaches his late 30's

2008 he had a wrist injury that usually requires surgery. It basically took him until June 2009 to fully come back from that injury. Seasons with injuries are not good indicators of a decline in skill. This year has been pretty special in that he didn't have much support around him.

[a700hitter]

i wasn't being literal when i said he's going to decline about 6-7 home runs and i doubt he hits 40 home runs next year' date=' no matter where he plays[/quote']Let's hope it's not Yankee stadium. 40 would be very possible there.

[Yaz Sideburn]

2008 he had a wrist injury that usually requires surgery. It basically took him until June 2009 to fully come back from that injury. Seasons with injuries are not good indicators of a decline in skill. This year has been pretty special in that he didn't have much support around him.

 

i don't expect him to be the picture of health going forward either. he's a 35 year old former 300 pound roider

[Yaz Sideburn]

Let's hope it's not Yankee stadium. 40 would be very possible there.

 

people said the same thing about curtis granderson

[a700hitter]

people said the same thing about curtis granderson

Granderson isn't quite the proven HR hitter as Ortiz. Also, Granderson missed a lot of games with a injury.

[SCM33]

Right, I forgot about Lowell. But I'm here to say that Martinez work behind the plate is just unsatisfactory. And for first base there are better alternatives in the league and even better alternatives in the team.

 

But somehow I have the feeling that we are going to see much more changes to the team than C, 1B/3B and DH. This will be another team next year.

 

Youd rather have Saltysuck?

 

Beltre, VMart, Dunn and a bullpen rehaul is what we need. We are in decent shape if we get those 3 signed and overhaul the bullpen.

[a700hitter]

Youd rather have Saltysuck?

 

Beltre, VMart, Dunn and a bullpen rehaul is what we need. We are in decent shape if we get those 3 signed and overhaul the bullpen.

Need an OFer with a big stick too.

[SCM33]

Need an OFer with a big stick too.

 

I think if they do not re-sign Ortiz, they can work out some kind of platoon with Dunn, Youkilis, Vmart, Beltre and another player thrown in to that mix all rotating in and out of the DH slot. DH is no longer an exclusive position. The question is, who is that person? I dont think it needs to be a big stick OF.......big stick, maybe...but I think the scope is narrow to just consider OF since we will rid ourselves of a "no field all hit" DH type.

[example1]

This.

 

He has little, if any, bargaining power.

 

Yeah, but he has the right to look for a multi-year deal at some cost and I'm not sure the Sox want that. One year might be the only appealing option for the Red Sox, so the price might be fixed at $12.5m.

[example1]

Need an OFer with a big stick too.

 

I think Kalish/Nava/Ellsbury/Drew/Cameron is a good OF overall, but I wouldn't hate a Kalish/Werth/Ellsbury/Drew/Cameron OF either.

 

I'd rather they do something more creative than signing aging veterans (i.e., trade for Adrian Gonzalez, Hanley Ramirez, etc.,) but if they see the right players I hope they will sign them quickly and get their desired targets.

[de coverly]

Youd rather have Saltysuck?

 

We are talking about a catcher that was injured for most of the last two seasons. He has only a limited number of games. If goes with the whole team through a full spring training

I say they should give him a chance. I am still looking at the defensive part of the catcher position, and Martinez isn't the answer for that amount of money. Also, he is not the answer for 1B.

 

Beltre, Dunn, Bullpen and maybe a decent and not-too-old outfielder, that, I agree, would be a logical thing to do. But I also think that TE will do something surprising on the (maybe) vacant DH position.

[Station 13]

Beltre should be a priority. We have no 3B close or as good in the system. Youk is better off with 1B coming off a thumb surgery. And better off in his career without switching back to a tough corner in his 30s.

[BSN07]

According to CSNNE.com's Sean McAdam (Twitter link), Andre Ethier "has told some [he] would love to come to Boston." McAdam doesn't elaborate on whether or not Ethier really wants out of L.A. or that the Dodgers would consider moving him, but in another tweet McAdam writes that he has "a feeling, that given the mess the franchise is in, nothing [is] off table.

 

Yes please. He would be one of the few players I wouldn't mind giving up Kelly for. I now it's a long shot. Just something for everyone to chew on.

[Yaz Sideburn]

i'm not crazy about ethier. he's a better hitter than cameron, there's no debate about it. but his bad defense limits his value and i don't like the fact that he can't hit lefties. we already have enough players who can't hit lefties

 

in my opinion he's not worth the talent we'd have to give up to acquire him

[jacksonianmarch]

Ethier would be a massive upgrade in LF for the sox. A massive upgrade

[Yaz Sideburn]

Ethier would be a massive upgrade in LF for the sox. A massive upgrade

 

the stats suggest that he'd be a marginal upgrade over cameron

[jacksonianmarch]

Cameron is going to be 38 and is coming off a lost yr due to injury. You have no idea what you will get out of Cameron next yr. Ethier gives you middle of the order type production

[Yaz Sideburn]

Cameron is going to be 38 and is coming off a lost yr due to injury. You have no idea what you will get out of Cameron next yr. Ethier gives you middle of the order type production

 

it's more likely than not that cameron puts up an ops in the high .700's and plays much better defense than ethier

[mvp 78]

Ethier would be a massive upgrade in LF for the sox. A massive upgrade

 

Ethier would make the pink hats cream.

He's a better hitter than anyone on the Sox not named Pedroia or Youk.

[mvp 78]

it's more likely than not that cameron puts up an ops in the high .700's and plays much better defense than ethier. eithier's no more a "middle of the order" bat than dustin pedroia or jed lowrie

 

And it's more likely than not that he plays 1/2 the games Either will.

[jacksonianmarch]

it's more likely than not that cameron puts up an ops in the high .700's and plays much better defense than ethier

 

Jed Lowrie? Really?

[Yaz Sideburn]

And it's more likely than not that he plays 1/2 the games Either will.

 

i think that's a little extreme. ethier will definitely be more durable but it would probably be a difference of 150 games from ethier vs. 120 games from cameron

 

i'm all for upgrading left field. i just think there are better options out there