Sox Sign Carlos Delgado

[VA Sox Fan]

Delgado signs minor-league deal

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff August 7, 2010 12:45 PM

Per Ken Rosenthal of Fox, the Sox have signed 1B Carlos Delgado to a minor-league deal.

 

Delgado hasn't played since early last season because of hip issues. He is expected to need two weeks or so to get ready.

 

Sept. 1 seems like a reasonable time to expect him.

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He was really good at one time right?

[Dojji]

It's worth a shot, I'd rather watch Ortiz play first than Delgado though. Delgado is an awful defensive 1B.

[Palodios]

It's worth a shot' date=' I'd rather watch Ortiz play first than Delgado though. Delgado is an awful defensive 1B.[/quote']

 

People keep saying that and its driving me crazy. If Ortiz plays 1B, then who DHs?

 

The last time Delgado played a full season, he hit 38 home runs. Will he have any success now? I have no clue, but what do they have to lose?

[italstallianion]

I'm sure that Jermaine Dye is still available.

[Palodios]

I still think its worth taking a shot on Dye too. They should have picked him up in May, and it is frustrating to me that there is a bat that good out there, and yet they preferred to trot out Hermida who had defense equally bad. People have been giving me the "he's rusty" angle for a while, but if they picked him up when this team's entire outfield fell off a cliff three months ago, he wouldn't be rusty, and it still isn't too late.

[CoachC.]

For what, a platoon role with Kalish? Drew isn't going to sit, Ellsbury looks to be back, and I'd prefer to give Kalish a majority of the starts in left.

[Dojji]

People keep saying that and its driving me crazy. If Ortiz plays 1B' date=' then who DHs? [/quote']

 

Delgado.

[soxfan74]

Saw this move coming and absolutely hate it. I guess Ortiz is incapable of playing first. If he played first who cares who DH is. Sick and tired of signing all these dinasaurs. It's no wonder we break down toward the end of every season now.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

So i guess I'm the only one happy about this? I don't see what the big deal is about Delgado playing first and Ortiz DH.

[Dojji]

So i guess I'm the only one happy about this? I don't see what the big deal is about Delgado playing first and Ortiz DH.

 

He is a horrible defensive 1B at the best of times and he's likely hobbled by a bad hip.

[Dojji]

Saw this move coming and absolutely hate it. I guess Ortiz is incapable of playing first. If he played first who cares who DH is. Sick and tired of signing all these dinasaurs. It's no wonder we break down toward the end of every season now.

 

That's a little shortsighted. There's nothing wrong with bringing older guys in as roleplayers and short term signings, and we really don't have a 1B prospect I'd call up right now and expect adequacy from, so this doesn't do any harm.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He is a horrible defensive 1B at the best of times and he's likely hobbled by a bad hip.

 

He may not be the best 1st baseman but we don't have Youk and can't have Lowell playing first every game. If he starts to struggle than I can understand wanting him as a DH.

[ORS]

So i guess I'm the only one happy about this? I don't see what the big deal is about Delgado playing first and Ortiz DH.

There isn't a big deal, it's the correct utilization of the two players.

 

I don't get why anyone wouldn't like this. If he's not able to play well, they are no worse off than they were yesterday. They aren't stuck with him for multiple years. He didn't cost any talent. He's an emergency stop gap for Youk.

[ORS]

He is a horrible defensive 1B at the best of times and he's likely hobbled by a bad hip.

The hip could slow him down, but the rest is wrong. He's been decidely average throughout his career, not horrible.

[italstallianion]

We can DFA Drew while we're at it.

[Palodios]

Saw this move coming and absolutely hate it. I guess Ortiz is incapable of playing first. If he played first who cares who DH is. Sick and tired of signing all these dinasaurs. It's no wonder we break down toward the end of every season now.

 

There is zero reason to hate the move. At the very worst, he makes up his minuscule contract in AAA attendance. He's no more immobile than Mike Lowell if he ends up on the Sox, and he's no worse a hitter than Patterson. Even if he breaks down, who cares? Its an extremely small short term contract. that they can dump in the blink of an eye.

[BSN07]

I like the move. A Delgado/Lowell in some sort of a platoon at 1B isn't a bad stopgap for the remainder of the season.

 

Delgado>Ortiz at 1B. Delgado has played at least average at 1B. Ortiz hasn't seen consistent at 1B in... well never.

[Keeper]

I like the move. A Delgado/Lowell in some sort of a platoon at 1B isn't a bad stopgap for the remainder of the season.

 

Delgado>Ortiz at 1B. Delgado has played at least average at 1B. Ortiz hasn't seen consistent at 1B in... well never.

 

This.

[DirtDog331724632256]

The bottom line with this is that it was a low risk signing.

 

If he does produce some runs for us then it was a good move.

[SCM33]

I like the move. A Delgado/Lowell in some sort of a platoon at 1B isn't a bad stopgap for the remainder of the season.

 

Delgado>Ortiz at 1B. Delgado has played at least average at 1B. Ortiz hasn't seen consistent at 1B in... well never.

 

Delgado may not have been a good defensive player, but at least he was out there playing defense his whole entire career.

 

In 14 seasons......the most games David Ortiz played at 1B was 70 games, when he was 22 years old. Its not like he was hurt and forced in to the DH role, he was assigned that role at the age of 24 years old......thats how terrible Ortiz was considered defensively. At least someone like Jose Canseco made it to almost 30 years old until they were too much of a liability to wear a glove.

[a700hitter]

Delgado may not have been a good defensive player, but at least he was out there playing defense his whole entire career.

 

In 14 seasons......the most games David Ortiz played at 1B was 70 games, when he was 22 years old. Its not like he was hurt and forced in to the DH role, he was assigned that role at the age of 24 years old......thats how terrible Ortiz was considered defensively. At least someone like Jose Canseco made it to almost 30 years old until they were too much of a liability to wear a glove.

When Ortiz was with the Twins, the regular first baseman most of those years was Doug Mientkievicz who may have been a been one of the best glove men that I have ever seen at first. At Boston, Mientkievicz, Youkilis (a gold glover) and Olerud (gold glove) have been ahead of him. While no one is going to mistake Ortiz for Keith Hernandez at first base, the big guy is not that bad in the field. He has very good hands, decent footwork and a good arm. He is certainly better than Delgado who has atrocious hands. Ask Mets fans than watched that horror show. Also, Delgado's bad hip has impaired his mobility to the point where he has almost no range. I don't doubt that they will play Delgado at first ahead of Ortiz, but it will not be pretty.

[Palodios]

Their career UZR/150 stats are fairly close, but now that Delgado's hip is in rough shape, I unfortunately agree that Ortiz has the edge. It makes me really hope this team can get to the world series, mostly because it would be great to finally lose the DH position, and it won't actually hurt the team much. This season when they had to choose between Ortiz, Youk, and Beltre for NL games, that was terrible.

[SCM33]

When Ortiz was with the Twins' date=' the regular first baseman most of those years was Doug Mientkievicz who may have been a been one of the best glove men that I have ever seen at first. At Boston, Mientkievicz, Youkilis (a gold glover) and Olerud (gold glove) have been ahead of him. While no one is going to mistake Ortiz for Keith Hernandez at first base, the big guy is not that bad in the field. He has very good hands, decent footwork and a good arm. He is certainly better than Delgado who has atrocious hands. Ask Mets fans than watched that horror show. Also, Delgado's bad hip has impaired his mobility to the point where he has almost no range. I don't doubt that they will play Delgado at first ahead of Ortiz, but it will not be pretty.[/quote']

 

 

I cant argue most of your points. You are correct, however.....do not forget that when Ortiz came to Boston, he was originally battling Millar at 1B, not Mientkawiczxarowiwhatever or Olerud (who was much much older and broken down by that time).

 

Millar had rigid hands, terrible footwork and an ok arm. He looked for the most part pretty awkward and out of place at 1B, but they felt he was still a better defensive player.

 

On a sidenote, although he never played a game in the OF, this baseball card lists Ortiz's position as 1B/OF:

http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecards/david-ortiz-rookie-card2.shtml

 

I am not arguing that Delgado is or isnt a better defensive player, but the fact is that they are hard to compare because many people felt Ortiz was not good enough defensively to actually appear in games. Remember, Ortiz came before Mientkiewicz, who was 25 when they made him a starter. Mientkiewicz at the time was a black hole offensively and Ortiz was younger and the better offensive option....and they still decided against putting him in the field. DH's at the age of 24 are almost unheard of, but thats what Ortiz was relegated to.

[example1]

I'm not sure if they felt that Millar was a better defender or if they simply chose to let Ortiz focus on hitting and avoiding injury via the DH. When you're talking about poor defenders no matter what, yet one of them is the cornerstone of your offense and the other is not, I would put the cornerstone in the DH spot too.

 

I'm totally indifferent on the Delgado move. Don't hate it, not excited about it.

[Dojji]

Ortiz isn't that bad at 1B when he plays it. For his career he's a little below average and in years where he gets more reps, he's better. He's not playing it to protect his knees, not because he sucks as a 1B.

[Spudboy]

Ortiz isn't that bad at 1B when he plays it. For his career he's a little below average and in years where he gets more reps' date=' he's better. He's not playing it to protect his knees, not because he sucks as a 1B.[/quote']

 

This.

[Dojji]

Also because as much as Ortiz doesn't suck as a 1B he isn't an elite one and the franchise has made it clear that it regards a high-level defensive 1B as a major franchise priority.

[jacksonianmarch]

Delgado signs minor-league deal

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff August 7, 2010 12:45 PM

Per Ken Rosenthal of Fox, the Sox have signed 1B Carlos Delgado to a minor-league deal.

 

Delgado hasn't played since early last season because of hip issues. He is expected to need two weeks or so to get ready.

 

Sept. 1 seems like a reasonable time to expect him.

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He was really good at one time right?

 

It would need to be before Sept 1 or he wont be eligible for the postseason. My guess is that he's in Boston come the final week of August and then will ease his way into a platoon gig with Lowell

[a700hitter]

Delgado did not play in tonight's PawSox game.

[Palodios]

Right, but it wasn't because of injury, that's just what the plan was.