John Lackey: Offical Bust

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John Lackey is the least of our problems right now.

 

And hes not a bust. Mike Hampton for the Braves was a bust. Lackey has underachieved, but thats all he has done, and he has a reputation as a second half starter. He will be fine.

[TheMino007]

My bust threads have mojo, first Beltre goes off on a tear and now Lackey turns it around and is pitching like the guy we thought he would when we signed him. Too bad it wouldn't work for the pen

[Dojji]

Try it. You never know. Anything that could get Oki going would really benefit this team. We've missed being able to rely on him this year.

[Palodios]

Would you mind starting a Hermida is a bust thread?

[RWTP24]

If Lackey can keep pitch like the last 3 or 4 outings, he will not be a bust. Let’s hope he can keep this up.

[a700hitter]

He's a bust.

[ORS]

Four more years! Four more years!

 

FML.

[Spudboy]

Four more years! Four more years!

 

FML.

 

Kind of how I felt about George W.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Kind of how I felt about George W.

 

Haha!

[ORS]

Kind of how I felt about George W.

Exactly how I feel about Comrade Obama. To each his own.

[jacksonianmarch]

They both suck

[Spudboy]

Exactly how I feel about Comrade Obama. To each his own.

They both suck

 

:lol:

[Spudboy]

By the way, you were both spoiled by Clinton.

[a700hitter]

They both suck

There is one big difference. It took Bush 8 years to destroy the Republican Party. Obama is managing to destroy the Dems in two years.

[ORS]

There is one big difference. It took Bush 8 years to destroy the Republican Party. Obama is managing to destroy the Dems in two years.

He's not just destroying the proletariat, he's destroying the establishment. Although, I think Bush had something to do with helping push the establishment out as well.

 

I say, good riddance. Let's clean house.

[Spudboy]

There is one big difference. It took Bush 8 years to destroy the Republican Party. Obama is managing to destroy the Dems in two years.

 

[NateGrey]

There is one big difference. It took Bush 8 years to destroy the Republican Party. Obama is managing to destroy the Dems in two years.

 

 

republicans, democrats? picture each being a head on cerberus, with the third being the major corporations/wall street.

 

 

edit: sox should trade lackey this winder. i know, easier said than done right?

 

 

 

 

[italstallianion]

There is one big difference. It took Bush 8 years to destroy the Republican Party. Obama is managing to destroy the Dems in two years.

 

 

I'd give Bush more credit than that. He managed to destroy everything that Clinton did within a few years, it just took the country until after they reelected him to realise their mistake.

 

Besides, it would take a lot longer to destroy a country in the condition it was after Clinton left it than it would take to destroy the same nation in the condition that Bush left it.

[Spudboy]

I'd give Bush more credit than that. He managed to destroy everything that Clinton did within a few years, it just took the country until after they reelected him to realise their mistake.

 

Besides, it would take a lot longer to destroy a country in the condition it was after Clinton left it than it would take to destroy the same nation in the condition that Bush left it.

 

I knew I liked you!

 

Sorry to have derailed the thread. I just couldn't resist.

 

Back to Lackey. I was quite pleased when he was signed. Although I've never liked the contract. But hey, I guess that was what it took to get someone everyone seemed to see as a very good pitcher.

 

At this point I am reluctant to call him a bust. I'd call him an extreme disappointment. A poor value. Some of the Boston media say that they expect Lackey to improve next year because he will have learned how to pitch in the AL East. I think this a very dumb assumption. I just see how a guy his age has that much to learn about his craft. I think he's been mediocre at best, against the whole league.

 

As far as trading him? That won't happen. Unless the Sox are prepared to eat a s*** load of his contract.

 

If any Sox starting pitcher gets moved this off-season, it will be Dice. He's affordable.

 

Dice +1 to the Dodgers for Eithier. That could happen.

[BSN07]

I never liked the signing or understood it to begin with. But he's part of the team for the time being, so I will hope for the best.

 

And Nate, there is is very little chance they will trade him this offseason. I can't imagine most teams wanting to give up talent and take on the remaining tab on his deal. Maybe some team that was interested in him last of season would be willing to take a chance on him, but not likely. He's going to have to pitch decent next season before moving him is a realistic option IMO.

 

Trade him to the Yanks for Burnett(j/k)

[BSN07]

 

If any Sox starting pitcher gets moved this off-season, it will be Dice. He's affordable.

 

Dice +1 to the Dodgers for Eithier. That could happen.

 

Dice-K has a No Trade Clause and makes more $ then Ethier. So that doesn't make sense for a team that may go through a fire sale.

[Spudboy]

Dice-K has a No Trade Clause and makes more $ then Ethier. So that doesn't make sense for a team that may go through a fire sale.

 

No trades are formality. Would Dice want to play in LA (3k miles closer to home) in a ballpark that is pitcher friendly, or remain in Boston where he is marginally effective and not appreciated?

 

It's a possibility. And a likely one. The key is what other pieces the Sox offer.

 

The Dodgers are effectively broke (the divorce). They don't have flexibility.

[a700hitter]

I'd give Bush more credit than that. He managed to destroy everything that Clinton did within a few years, it just took the country until after they reelected him to realise their mistake.

 

Besides, it would take a lot longer to destroy a country in the condition it was after Clinton left it than it would take to destroy the same nation in the condition that Bush left it.

The state of the economy when Bush left office was really a best case scenario for Obama. It was crashing and Obama was free from blame. There was nowhere to go but up for Obama. The cyclical history of recessions shows that the steeper and more severe the recessions are followed by more robust recoveries. The caveat to that economic cycle is when there is government intervention. Twice in our history severe recessions/economic crashes were not followed by robust recoveries. The first was the Great Depression thanks to the New Deal. If you don't believe me, check the unemployment rates from 1932-1939.

 

We are in the middle of the second occurrence. Let's hope that we don't need a cataclysmic event like WWII to snap us out of this recession. Those people who lost their jobs as a result of the Bush recession are still out of work. At some point people start to wake up and will hold Obama and the Congress accountable. I am no fan of Bush. His spending was outrageous, but it was done in the context of an otherwise growing economy. This administration has taken those spending patterns and supercharged them. In the context of a sick economy, it will be ruinous.

 

Good luck to the generation of people starting careers in the next 10 years, and good luck to the newly retired whose pensions and savings will be worthless in 10 years from the inevitable severe inflation that is right down the road.

[BSN07]

No trades are formality. Would Dice want to play in LA (3k miles closer to home) in a ballpark that is pitcher friendly, or remain in Boston where he is marginally effective and not appreciated?

 

It's a possibility. And a likely one. The key is what other pieces the Sox offer.

 

The Dodgers are effectively broke (the divorce). They don't have flexibility.

 

Sure they can be worked around. And the West coast would probably make him bend more then other places. But the Dodgers make no sense if they are cutting payroll and moving key players. Ethier has 9.25M left on his deal. Dice-K has 20M.

 

If LA doesn't blow it up and they are trying to contend(spend$) next season, then yes the Dodgers could be a fit. Not sure what they would have to offer though.

 

I'd rather trade them Lackey

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Wouldn't mind it as much if Theo didn't also hand a Beckett a huge extension that he didn't deserve.

[a700hitter]

Wouldn't mind it as much if Theo didn't also hand a Beckett a huge extension that he didn't deserve.

Theo blew two huge wads of dough on guys that are just not great ballplayers (Lackey and Beckett). They are very good, but not great. I think you are better off going for a little more money and getting someone who is great and dominant. Couple those two contracts with his inability to construct a reliable bullpen, and I would conclude that Theo had a really bad year.

[BSN07]

Theo blew two huge wads of dough on guys that are just not great ballplayers (Lackey and Beckett). They are very good' date=' but not great. .[/quote']

 

Very good = 15M per year

 

Great = 20M+ per year

 

He paid market value or close to it for each guy.

[Dojji]

If Dice goes west, it'll be to the Giants or possibly the Padres. Not to the Dodgers.

[Spudboy]

Well, here's the thing. No one within a 50 mile radius of Boston of wants Dice-K on the team.

Go ahead and post all his stats, that's just how it is. The Sox FO may make some stupid moves, but they sure want to fill the stands and continue to collect revenue from media and other streams. Getting rid of a player that is viewed as "a bust" or, at best, "mediocre", is a save face, monetary necessity. Not exactly unprecedented. See Rentareck, Manny, Lugo.

 

Seattle, San Fransisco, and L.A. (Dodgers) , are the logical landing places for him.

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