Trade Suggestion

[callandor1000]

Arthur Rhodes for Dice-K, straight up.

[Dojji]

Even with Daisuke's struggles, I don't do that. Rhodes is almost exactly the kind of reliever you go out of your way not to acquire. He does his triving at an advanced age, in a limited role, in another league, and yet because of his numbers, the price would be high. The risk factor there is as high as it could possibly be.

[callandor1000]

Even with Daisuke's struggles' date=' I don't do that. Rhodes is almost exactly the kind of reliever you go out of your way not to acquire. He does his triving at an advanced age, in a limited role, in another league, and yet because of his numbers, the price would be high. The risk factor there is as high as it could possibly be.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I know. I was mostly kidding. Haha. He has developed late in age, since 2001, in the American League. He's had more good years since then than bad years, between both leagues in that span. But, he's not been dominate until now. And it won't last, I know. It was more of a musing.

[BSN07]

I've been beating the "trade Dice-K" drum for awhile. It's never going to happen until he gains some value and the Sox can get something useful back. I think Dice-K is much more suited for NL approach. I think he could be middle to top of the rotation type of SP in the NL. Thing is dude is always hurt and for every gem he throws, he has a stinker to go with it. So he's hard to shop. That and for some reason I believe he has a NTC in his contract. So moving him seems like a long shot at this point IMO.

[Palodios]

The only real problem with Dice-k is his attitude problem. The Mariners could be an interesting target, the AL West would probably be better for him--and closer to home-- and Ichiro is probably the best player you could set him up with.

[example1]

Okay, this silliness aside, I'm curious if anyone thinks the Sox will be in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes.

 

On the surface they don't need pitching, but they could certainly find a spot for Cliff Lee in a playoff run. They always like getting a Type A soon to-be Free Agent. They have the talent to put together a competitive package.

 

Finally, there's part of me that loves the idea of the Yankees needing to determine if they're going to sign Lee next year knowing that their draft picks will be going to the Red Sox of all teams.

 

Unlikely, I realize. That's why I put it in this 'going nowhere' thread.

[msubulldogs21]

I really don't see it, example1. Seattle is going to want a haul of young talent that I don't think the Sox are going to be willing to give up. We'd be more likely to pull the trigger if he wasn't about to hit the FA market and get a HUGE pay day, but at the trade deadline I think we're going to focus on getting a reliever or two, maybe an OF as well.

[example1]

I agree, but the chance to stick it to the Yankees would be fun to see. 1) Keep him from going to NYY down the stretch. 2) Get NYYs draft picks.

[BSN07]

Be a good opportunity to ship Dice-k out

 

Doubront and Bowden seem like good cornerstones for any package. Throw in Dice-K and pick up part of the check and Seattle probably has to consider it at least.

[Palodios]

I'm surprised everyone has been thinking about the Mariners suggestion. But if they trade Doubront/Bowden/Dice-k, it cleans up the congestion for the 5th pitching slot, the Mariners get 3 starters with potential (plus more, likely) and a Sox rotation of Lester, Lee, Buchholz, Beckett, Lackey is monstrous. When Cliff Lee was traded to the Mariners, it really sounded like he was tired of getting shipped around, so I'd bet he'd be easy to lock up if on a contending team.

 

Another idea is trading Ellsbury in a big bat trade, and going all out for Crawford next year. Ellsbury is a great target for a team that wants to rebuild for next year. He's a good, cheap player who is under control for a while, so while he's valuable for the future, he's been a hassle for the Sox this season. Crawford fills all the needs that Ellsbury did, so they could use Ellsbury as a chip to pick up that key piece.

[yankees228]

I agree' date=' but the chance to stick it to the Yankees would be fun to see. 1) Keep him from going to NYY down the stretch. 2) Get NYYs draft picks.[/quote']

 

I'd be all for the Yankees trading for Lee, but I don't see it. I think the Yankees will have a relatively similar trade-deadline to what they had last year.

 

But I definitely see them making a very strong push for Lee in the offseason, even if they only have the money for him or Crawford.

[yrtb]

Honestly, I don't see the need to trade for Lee right now if you're the Yankees

 

Other than Burnett their whole rotation is pitching great

[Palodios]

But they have to deal with the possibility of Pettite retiring or growing ineffective, and Vasquez is at the end of his contract too. I don't know their farm system, but I doubt there are any "Yankee-calibur" replacements for them.

[yankees228]

But they have to deal with the possibility of Pettite retiring or growing ineffective' date=' and Vasquez is at the end of his contract too. I don't know their farm system, but I doubt there are any "Yankee-calibur" replacements for them.[/quote']

 

Which is why they'll make a strong push for him after the year, but probably won't trade for him during the year.

[Palodios]

The Yankees have a win-it-all or else mentality. The division is too close for them to sit idly by while the Sox or Rays may make big trades. Lee may cost them prospects now, but he's going to cost them a first round pick later anyway.

[yankees228]

The Yankees have a win-it-all or else mentality. The division is too close for them to sit idly by while the Sox or Rays may make big trades. Lee may cost them prospects now' date=' but he's going to cost them a first round pick later anyway.[/quote']

 

Then why didn't they do anything last year? Over the last few years, the Yankees have played it very close to the vest with their prospects, unwilling to give them up on various occasions where they almost certainly would have before Cashman was given more control. If they were going to make a deal for Lee at the TD, it would have come last year, when they had Sergio Mitre in the rotation, and Joba Chamberlain was approaching his inning's limit. They didn't then, and unless there are a rash of injuries to starting pitchers (and even then I'm not sure), I don't see it happening this year.

 

EDIT: I hope you're right. I'd want the Yankees to hold onto Montero, Romine, and Heathcott, but if they could make a trade without those guys involved, I'd be for it. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening.

[Palodios]

Well, last season it never seemed like the division was as strong as it was this year. Every time the Rays got hot, the Sox got cold, and vice versa. I don't have stats to back it up, but its hard to argue that this division isn't a powerhouse right now. Even Toronto is 4.5 games back from the wild card, and with their pitching and home run power, you never know. One sweep of the Yankees and they're right back in the race.

[yrtb]

I would rather go after him at the end of the year (and release vasquez or resign him if pettitte retires)

 

I think they're rotation is fine for now and that the Blue Jays will fall out of it soon

 

The Rays are also slumping big time right now

[jacksonianmarch]

Okay, this silliness aside, I'm curious if anyone thinks the Sox will be in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes.

 

On the surface they don't need pitching, but they could certainly find a spot for Cliff Lee in a playoff run. They always like getting a Type A soon to-be Free Agent. They have the talent to put together a competitive package.

 

Finally, there's part of me that loves the idea of the Yankees needing to determine if they're going to sign Lee next year knowing that their draft picks will be going to the Red Sox of all teams.

 

Unlikely, I realize. That's why I put it in this 'going nowhere' thread.

 

So the Yankees shy away from signing sox FAs due to the picks? That's crazy. I think Ny will be playing with house money come the offseason anyway since vazquez will be a Type A.

[italstallianion]

So the Yankees shy away from signing sox FAs due to the picks? That's crazy. I think Ny will be playing with house money come the offseason anyway since vazquez will be a Type A.

 

 

For the record, the Yankees have let a ton of potential drafts picks disappear by not offering Type A FA's arbitration. Who knows what will happen with Vasquez, but just because a player is a Type A/B Free Agent, does not mean that the draft picks are in the bank.

[Dojji]

Not at all interested in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. I don't trust the guy in the AL East. He's a contact pitcher with flyball tendencies playuing in a park that can be conservatively described as ideal for that skillset. The AL East ballparks tend to favor hitters and Fenway in particular frowns on flyball lefties.

 

I want to clarify that I don't think he's going to suck if he comes here. He's a very, very good pitcher, but he's unlikely to be worth the price, and his ERA will rise in the AL East, and our rotation isn't the problem anyway .

 

I'd be more interested in finding a slugging LF or a long term (more than this year) answer at corner infield. since the better Beltre does the less likely it is he sticks around.

[italstallianion]

Not at all interested in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. I don't trust the guy in the AL East. He's a contact pitcher with flyball tendencies playuing in a park that can be conservatively described as ideal for that skillset. The AL East ballparks tend to favor hitters.

 

He's a very, very good pitcher, but he's unlikely to be worth it, and our rotation isn't the problem anyway. I'd be more interested in finding a slugging LF or a long term (more than this year) answer at corner infield. since the better Beltre does the less likely it is he sticks around.

 

 

I agree completely. I also think we need to shore up the bullpen before we overpay for another part of the rotation.

[Dojji]

So let's talk left fielder. I kinda think that McD has regressed to the mean, although he still might pull his weight as a 3 position LIDR. I don't know when Hermida and Ellsbury are coming back so I don't count on them. That means we probably have an impending issue in the outfield again. Ultimately what we have between us and a bona fide hole at the position is a 27 year old switch hitting rookie.

 

So is anyone/everyone here of the opinion that Nava can hold down the fort until our wounded outfield gets its stuff back together? Or should we go fishing in a fairly shallow outfield trade market?

[jacksonianmarch]

For the record' date=' the Yankees have let a ton of potential drafts picks disappear by not offering Type A FA's arbitration. Who knows what will happen with Vasquez, but just because a player is a Type A/B Free Agent, does not mean that the draft picks are in the bank.[/quote']

 

In their defense, the guys that they didnt offer arb to were easy resigns (pettitte) or guys who would have accepted arbitration. Abreu and Damon come to mind. If either of them accepted arb, the yankees would have paid them 8-10 million more than they eventually signed for. With Javy, assuming his ERA continues to drift down and he finishes with 200IP a 4 something ERA and 200K, he'd easily get more than the 11 mil or so he would receive in arbitration. Hence, offering arbitration is much less likely to get accepted. Also, if Vazquez did accept arbitration, Cashman would probably not be too upset since 1 yr of Vazquez is much better than a long term deal

[Divinity]

Then why didn't they do anything last year? Over the last few years' date=' the Yankees have played it very close to the vest with their prospects, unwilling to give them up on various occasions where they almost certainly would have before Cashman was given more control. If they were going to make a deal for Lee at the TD, it would have come last year .[/quote']

 

If you recall the Yankees attemped to obtain Lee last year, they were willing to include top catching prospect Jesus Montero in a package for Lee. But the Phillies’ overall asking price was so high, the talks never advanced

[Divinity]

The Mariners are preparing for the Yankees to pursue Lee, according to the New York Post, which quoted a “person familiar with Seattle’s thought process” as saying the team would ask for one of the Yankees’ young catchers as well as Triple A shortstop Eduardo Nunez.

 

The Yankees, to part with such a package, would want assurances that they could sign Lee to an extension, the Post said.

[Palodios]

I don't think the Yankees believe Vasquez will be worth 12 million next year. He's almost 34, coming off a season with a rough start, and you never know how he'll pitch next year. Plus, he might prefer to take a one term contract in order for him to bring his value up before a long term contract.

[Palodios]

I'd be more interested in finding a slugging LF or a long term (more than this year) answer at corner infield. since the better Beltre does the less likely it is he sticks around.

 

I'd be happy keeping Beltre around. Players tend to have a soft spot for teams that helped give them a comeback, and his defense will only stabilize with another year here.

 

The LF problem is probably going to linger till the end of the season. But the best candidates I can see are Dunn, Corey Hart, Jason Werth.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't think the Yankees believe Vasquez will be worth 12 million next year. He's almost 34' date=' coming off a season with a rough start, and you never know how he'll pitch next year. Plus, he might prefer to take a one term contract in order for him to bring his value up before a long term contract.[/quote']

 

His value is already going up. Remember, his 2009 season was CY worthy and since April, he has been one of the best pitchers in the game. If, and I said if, he ends up with 200+IP, 200+K and an ERA in the 4s in the toughest division in baseball, someone will pony up and pay him over 3-4 yrs

[Palodios]

His value is already going up. Remember' date=' his 2009 season was CY worthy and since April, he has been one of the best pitchers in the game. If, and I said if, he ends up with 200+IP, 200+K and an ERA in the 4s in the toughest division in baseball, someone will pony up and pay him over 3-4 yrs[/quote']

 

He had a monstrous year in 2009 and so far a crummy one in 2010. He showed inconsistency, and even if he has a good year, the risk of him blowing up again during a longer contract is still there, and that's why his value won't rise past a certain point. Because of that, I believe its in his best interest to get another strong season in before committing to a contract that undervalues him. I honestly don't think the Yankees want to risk paying him 12 million for another year like he's having this year, but we may have simply to disagree on that.

 

Also realize that an ERA in the 4's this season means very little considering that hitting in the majors has plummeted, and there are 60 starting pitchers that have an ERA of 4.00 or lower right now.