Beckett on disabled list

[redsoxrules]

Joe Nelson called up

[Flynnatic10]

ouch

[BoSox21]

I'm expecting Joe Girardi's apology to the Red Sox any time now...

[yeszir]

I protest this.

[Lester82]

I protest this.

 

John Henry has already protested his contract.

[Chamomile]

This sucks. We were just about to get healthy.

[redsoxrules]

I'm expecting Joe Girardi's apology to the Red Sox any time now...

 

well , it could be possible that this is a phantom DL , that beckett just needs time to get his s*** together

[BSN07]

Better to get it over and dealt with now.

[Palodios]

Yeah, especially when we have a perfectly healthy Tim Wakefield in the wings.

[msubulldogs21]

As frustrating as he can be at times, this is where Wakefield really holds his value to the team. We don't have to call up a AAA bum for spot starts. Instead, Wake can jump right in and give us reliable innings every fifth day until Beckett or whoever is hurt at the time returns.

[yankees228]

I'm expecting Joe Girardi's apology to the Red Sox any time now...

 

Girardi's complaint had nothing to do with Beckett's injury. In fact, Girardi said after the game that he knows Beckett was definitely hurt.

[artman556]

beckett will be back we need him for the log hall anyways better he gets rested now

[Dipre]

Girardi's complaint had nothing to do with Beckett's injury. In fact' date=' Girardi said after the game that he knows Beckett was definitely hurt.[/quote']

 

Then what did it have to do with? If he didn't doubt the fact that Beckett was taken out because of injury, the protest makes no sense.

[yankees228]

Then what did it have to do with? If he didn't doubt the fact that Beckett was taken out because of injury' date=' the protest makes no sense.[/quote']

 

His issue was that the Red Sox signaled for the bullpen before reporting a potential injury to the umpire. From what I've read, it doesn't look like the Red Sox broke any rules, it just isn't the way it's commonly done.

[DirtDog331724632256]

Wakefield has been a 10 win per year pitcher for us for years and I think he has played a particularly important role for us. He eats up alot of innings for u, even if he does he shelled sometimes.

 

He pitches well when its not a windy day.

[TheMino007]

Beckett needs to get it together while on this DL stint and come back and pitch like we all know he can it. It will be June when he returns and he can't keep throwing away starts like he has been doing and costing the team games. Glad we have Wakefield right now, everyone knew he would string together a few starts here or there b/c of injuries.

[rhet]

His issue was that the Red Sox signaled for the bullpen before reporting a potential injury to the umpire. From what I've read' date=' it doesn't look like the Red Sox broke any rules, it just isn't the way it's commonly done.[/quote']

 

So what is the issue? That the Red Sox signaled to bring in an ice cold pitcher? That the ump didn't know Beckett was hurt? I still don't get what the protest is about.

[yankees228]

So what is the issue? That the Red Sox signaled to bring in an ice cold pitcher? That the ump didn't know Beckett was hurt? I still don't get what the protest is about.

 

From what I understand, typically, in situations like that, the team informs the umpire of a potential injury first, and then removes the pitcher (usually after talking to the pitcher). In this case, the Red Sox signaled for a pitching change (as if it was just a normal pitching change), and then went to the umpire to inform him of the injury.

 

Because of the order it was done in, Girardi didn't believe that Delcarmen should have been allowed more than the normal eight warm up pitches. I don't think the Red Sox did anything wrong, but it's a reasonable protest in my opinion, because it's not the way things are typically done.

[rhet]

From what I understand, typically, in situations like that, the team informs the umpire of a potential injury first, and then removes the pitcher (usually after talking to the pitcher). In this case, the Red Sox signaled for a pitching change (as if it was just a normal pitching change), and then went to the umpire to inform him of the injury.

 

Because of the order it was done in, Girardi didn't believe that Delcarmen should have been allowed more than the normal eight warm up pitches. I don't think the Red Sox did anything wrong, but it's a reasonable protest in my opinion, because it's not the way things are typically done.

 

The ump knew Beckett was hurt. That's why he allowed Delcarmen the extended warmup. I think it's ridiculous Girardi would protest a game over such a stupid thing.

[yankees228]

The ump knew Beckett was hurt. That's why he allowed Delcarmen the extended warmup. I think it's ridiculous Girardi would protest a game over such a stupid thing.

 

Whether the ump knew Beckett was injured or not is irrelevant. Girardi thought it was possible that the substitution needed to be done in the order that it is typically done in. It's a reasonable thought. Whether he's right or wrong, why is the protest ridiculous? There's absolutely nothing to lose, and only good can come of it for the Yankees. I definitely have my issues with Girardi, but if there is the slightest chance (even if it's 0.00001%) of a protest working, I want the game to be protested.

[rhet]

Whether the ump knew Beckett was injured or not is irrelevant. Girardi thought it was possible that the substitution needed to be done in the order that it is typically done in. It's a reasonable thought. Whether he's right or wrong' date=' why is the protest ridiculous? There's absolutely nothing to lose, and only good can come of it for the Yankees. I definitely have my issues with Girardi, but if there is the slightest chance (even if it's 0.00001%) of a protest working, I want the game to be protested.[/quote']

 

Then why not protest obvious issues, like a bad call? The Yanks got robbed on some calls in the playoffs that were certainly more impactful than this little silliness with Beckett.

[yankees228]

Then why not protest obvious issues' date=' like a bad call? The Yanks got robbed on some calls in the playoffs that were certainly more impactful than this little silliness with Beckett.[/quote']

 

You can't protest bad calls. The only things that can be protested are 'interpretation of the rules' issues, and this qualifies, even though the Yankees almost certainly won't win it.

[italstallianion]

Whether the ump knew Beckett was injured or not is irrelevant. Girardi thought it was possible that the substitution needed to be done in the order that it is typically done in. It's a reasonable thought. Whether he's right or wrong' date=' why is the protest ridiculous? [b']There's absolutely nothing to lose[/b], and only good can come of it for the Yankees. I definitely have my issues with Girardi, but if there is the slightest chance (even if it's 0.00001%) of a protest working, I want the game to be protested.

 

 

Except for respect.

[yankees228]

Except for respect.

 

Why would he lose any respect? He's not claiming Beckett wasn't injured, he's just claiming that the Red Sox did things incorrectly, and therefore Delcarmen shouldn't have gotten more than eight warmup pitches. There are few times when a protest is appropriate, but even though the Yankees won't win it, this is one of those times.

[italstallianion]

Why would he lose any respect? He's not claiming Beckett wasn't injured' date=' he's just claiming that the Red Sox did things incorrectly, and therefore Delcarmen shouldn't have gotten more than eight warmup pitches. There are few times when a protest is appropriate, but even though the Yankees won't win it, this is one of those times.[/quote']

 

 

Of course you of all people would not understand. He went out of his way to bitch about procedure and tried to steal a game that his team didn't win. There's cheap, and then there's Joe Girardi. This is something that AJ Pierzynski would do if he were a manager, and he's the sleaziest piece of s*** in the game. In no way in hell is a protest appropriate here. I know that you'll never understand.

[SoxSport]

Beckett is a big reason this club is 5 games behind NY. Aces should pitch like aces-not asses. You could say the same for Papelbon.

[yankees228]

Of course you of all people would not understand. He went out of his way to bitch about procedure and tried to steal a game that his team didn't win. There's cheap' date=' and then there's Joe Girardi. This is something that AJ Pierzynski would do if he were a manager, and he's the sleaziest piece of s*** in the game. In no way in hell is a protest appropriate here. I know that you'll never understand.[/quote']

 

 

Not really sure why you're insulting me, or why you're implying that your explanation is somehow above me.

 

Anyway, the protest was made when the score was 5-0, so he was not trying to steal a game that his team lost. He truly fault that the umpires had made a mistake. A manager is supposed to do what he can to win, and, the way I see it, Girardi is simply doing his job.

[Palodios]

Beckett is a big reason this club is 5 games behind NY. Aces should pitch like aces-not asses. You could say the same for Papelbon.

 

In all fairness, in games that Beckett has started, the Sox are 5-3. In those three losses, in one game he gave up 2 runs, in another he gave up 0 runs, and another he gave up 9 runs.

 

While you could argue that he weakened the bullpen, he has only been directly responsible for one loss. I'm not saying he's been pitching well-- he hasnt-- but the team has backed him up.

 

Edit: Hell, now that I think about it, the one game he lost, he pitched extremely well until he got pissed off and started wailing on Yankees--something many Sox fans wouldn't mind.

[VA Sox Fan]

The timetable on Beckett is lengthy

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff June 24, 2010 12:45 PM

 

Here's the big-name player the Red Sox are going to add to the roster right around the trade deadline:

 

A righthanded pitcher named Josh Beckett.

 

The Sox laid out the schedule for Beckett yesterday. He's going to throw a simulated game on Saturday and then face hitters on Thursday, July 1. That's a day off, so perhaps the Sox will import some hitters from the minors.

 

From there, Beckett would start his five-day routine in the minors. Terry Francona said he would need at least three rehab starts, maybe four.

 

So the rehab games would be July 6, July 11 and July 16. That would put him ready to join the Sox on or about July 21 or July 26 depending on whether he needs three or four outings in the minors.

 

Barring some sort of change to that schedule, Beckett will have gone 63-68 days between major league starts. That's nearly 10 weeks, which seems like an awfully long time for a muscular problem in the back. The Sox and Beckett insist he had no structural damage. But you do have to wonder if there was something else going on. Very few teams are completely forthright when it comes to injuries.

 

Regardless, if Beckett comes back healthy and is able to pitch like the player who command a $68 million extension in April, the Sox will have made a significant addition at the start of the pennant race.

 

As for Jacoby Ellsbury, today marks two weeks since he left the team in Cleveland to be examined in Los Angeles. He remains at the Athletes' Performance center in Arizona and is scheduled to be evaluated at the end of this week.

 

There are no indication when he will rejoin the team. But it seems unlikely it will be any time before the All-Star break given that he last played a baseball game on May 24 — exactly one month ago.