Red Sox injury updates

[Yaz Sideburn]

It wasn't a rumor. Tito made a statement at some point last season that he believed that Ellsbury had a better understanding of the type of commitment (and he used the word commitment) to be successful at the major league level. After playing that clip' date=' the commentator said that Ellsbury did have a reputation in the minors regarding commitment.[/quote']

 

i never heard about him having an issue with commitment until he got hurt this year and the people who thought he was milking the injuries didn't appear to have much to stand on when he did return and immediately aggrevated the injury again

 

i just think it's one of those freak injuries and people are upset about it because it took him so long to return. you don't see people saying the same stuff about pedroia or cameron

[a700hitter]

i never heard about him having an issue with commitment until he got hurt this year and the people who thought he was milking the injuries didn't appear to have much to stand on when he did return and immediately aggrevated the injury again

 

i just think it's one of those freak injuries and people are upset about it because it took him so long to return. you don't see people saying the same stuff about pedroia or cameron

You may not have heard about it, but that was his reputation within the organization.

[Yaz Sideburn]

You may not have heard about it' date=' but that was his reputation within the organization.[/quote']

 

saying that he understands better what it takes to be a successful major league player in his second full season than he did when he first came up is not the same as saying he's not committed to the team

[a700hitter]

saying that he understands better what it takes to be a successful major league player in his second full season than he did when he first came up is not the same as saying he's not committed to the team

That's what was reported.

[Yaz Sideburn]

That's what was reported.

 

i'd love to see the source where the front office said he's not commited to the team. even if it was true, the front office wouldn't come out and say it

[a700hitter]

i'd love to see the source where the front office said he's not commited to the team. even if it was true' date=' the front office wouldn't come out and say it[/quote']Dutchy, if he didn't have a commitment problem than why would Francona have made a point of saying that he learned the type of commitment that it takes to be successful at the major league level? It seems like a strange point to make ifthere hadn't been a previous problem. No one ever made that statement about Youk:dunno:

[Yaz Sideburn]

Dutchy' date=' if he didn't have a commitment problem than why would Francona have made a point of saying that he learned the type of commitment that it takes to be successful at the major league level? It seems like a strange point to make ifthere hadn't been a previous problem. No one ever made that statement about Youk:dunno:[/quote']

 

francona made a comment about the kind of commitment it takes to be a successful major league player and your hearing what you want to hear and twisting it into him calling out ellsbury for a lack of commitment to the team

[a700hitter]

francona made a comment about the kind of commitment it takes to be a successful major league player and your hearing what you want to hear and twisting it into him calling out ellsbury for a lack of commitment to the team

Then I guess the TV commentator heard the same thing, because he was the one who interpreted it. I didn't know what Francona meant. Any way, I am with Youkilis on this issue.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Then I guess the TV commentator heard the same thing' date=' because he was the one who interpreted it. I didn't know what Francona meant. Any way, I am with Youkilis on this issue.[/quote']

 

we all know how objective the boston media is. hard to argue that logic

[a700hitter]

we all know how objective the boston media is. hard to argue that logic

Youkilis is a good barometer for me. I'll side with him on just about any baseball issue.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Youkilis is a good barometer for me. I'll side with him on just about any baseball issue.

 

youkilis refused to comment on whether ellsbury should or shouldn't have come back from his injury sooner. isn't that what we were discussing?

[a700hitter]

youkilis refused to comment on whether ellsbury should or shouldn't have come back from his injury sooner. isn't that what we were discussing?

I believe we were discussing commitment.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I believe we were discussing commitment.

 

we were discussing whether he should have come back from his injury earlier or not and a reputation that you believe he had in the minor leagues. youkilis addressed neither

[a700hitter]

we were discussing whether he should have come back from his injury earlier or not and a reputation that you believe he had in the minor leagues. youkilis addressed neither

I clearly said that he had a bad rep for commitment in the minors. I am saying (not anyone else) that I am not surprised that he has been out so long because he was known to have commitment issues in the minors and Youk still thinks he has commitment issues. Is that clear enough for you, Dutchy. Please post some pictures.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I clearly said that he had a bad rep for commitment in the minors. I am saying (not anyone else) that I am not surprised that he has been out so long because he was known to have commitment issues in the minors and Youk still thinks he has commitment issues. Is that clear enough for you' date=' Dutchy. Please post some pictures.[/quote']

 

how can you say that he should have been back sooner when he reaggreavted his injury within weeks of returning? it clearly wasn't healed all the way

[a700hitter]

how can you say that he should have been back sooner when he reaggreavted his injury within weeks of returning? it clearly wasn't healed all the way

If he keeps rebreaking ribs without contact, maybe there is something else wrong with him. I don't know how that happens. Maybe Jacko knows.

[Yaz Sideburn]

If he keeps rebreaking ribs without contact' date=' maybe there is something else wrong with him. I don't know how that happens. Maybe Jacko knows.[/quote']

 

didn't he refracture the rib when he collided with another team's first baseman?

 

also, in looking up more information about the incident. it looks ellsbury got a second opinion on his ribs which showed fractures that the red sox staff missed. that certainly could have complicated his rehab and had something to do with why he was out so long. he ended up having 5 fractured ribs total

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5472158

[a700hitter]

didn't he refracture the rib when he collided with another team's first baseman?

 

also, in looking up more information about the incident. it looks ellsbury got a second opinion on his ribs which showed fractures that the red sox staff missed. that certainly could have complicated his rehab and had something to do with why he was out so long. he ended up having 5 fractured ribs total

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5472158

It wasn't much of a collision, and I don't think there is anything definitive about the causes of his subsequent injuries.

[Yaz Sideburn]

It wasn't much of a collision' date=' and I don't think there is anything definitive about the causes of his subsequent injuries.[/quote']

 

the consensus seams to be that it wasn't enough of a collision to fracture his rib unless he wasn't fully healed to begin with

 

i give him credit for trying to play with 5 ribs healing from fractures

[a700hitter]

Scutaro said he has some manner of tear and was told it can't get any worse. "Playing second makes it a little easier for me," Scutaro said,

 

With the track record of our crack medical staff, I fully expect that he will need off-season reconstructive shoulder surgery and never play another game for the Sox.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/09/scutaro_and_low.html

[jacksonianmarch]

"some manner of tear? that cannot get worse? Labrum, bicep tendon or rotator cuff really are the only things in there that can be torn and yes they can get worse

[Dojji]

With the track record of our crack medical staff, I fully expect that he will need off-season reconstructive shoulder surgery and never play another game for the Sox.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/09/scutaro_and_low.html

 

That wouldn't be so bad. Not that we wouldn't miss him, but we don't have a shortage of viable replacement SS between Lowrie and Navarro, and possibly Iglesias by midseason if that's not working out.

[mvp 78]

That wouldn't be so bad. Not that we wouldn't miss him' date=' but we don't have a shortage of viable replacement SS between Lowrie and Navarro, and possibly Iglesias by midseason if that's not working out.[/quote']

 

??? Navarro and Iglesias are not Major League ready. How are they viable?

[Dojji]

Depends on what you need. And I wouldn't discount Navarro too quickly just because he looks a bit raw, he'd have some rough patches in the bigs but he's further along than people are giving him credit for. Navarro is quite underrated.

[a700hitter]

That wouldn't be so bad. Not that we wouldn't miss him' date=' but we don't have a shortage of viable replacement SS between Lowrie and Navarro, and possibly Iglesias by midseason if that's not working out.[/quote']Yikes! The losing has caused delirium.

[mvp 78]

Depends on what you need. And I wouldn't discount Navarro too quickly just because he looks a bit raw' date=' he'd have some rough patches in the bigs but he's further along than people are giving him credit for. Navarro is quite underrated.[/quote']

 

Yeah, bumps are expected but not with his defense. If he can't field above average, why have him on the roster? So far, his highly touted defensive skills have been nowhere to be found.

[Dojji]

"so far" is an extreme small sample size.

[mvp 78]

On cue, he makes a good play... Anyway, I just don't think minor leagures can be considered "viable" if there will still be a steep learning curve to get through.

[mvp 78]

"so far" is an extreme small sample size.

 

But his small sample size makes you believe he's viable?

[Dojji]

No, what I know about his skills from scouting reports, firsthand accounts I've read, an analysis of his minor league numbers, and lurking at Soxprospects.com, all leads me to believe he's fairly underrated and the big question isn't the D but more will his bat click.

 

Defensively I've heard a lot of praise of his range and his ability to make the big play, with the questionmarks hovering over consistency, not ability, which is true of a lot of guys who get to the top level at a young age. Offense is simiar -- tools are good, approach needs work. Another year or two in the minors wouldn't hurt him and would probably do him some good, but if he was needed as a fill-in next year I think he'd be serviceable. Just keep your expectations modest, this guy isn't Hanley.

 

Of course this is all on the theory that we don't want to just hand the job to Lowrie and go get a Nick Green type if Scoot goes down. Me, I'd be fine with that. Lowrie isn't Tim Naehring, his wrist seems positively fine and there's no other outstanding injury concerns with the guy, you might as well see what he is.