Red Sox Tried to Acquire Vazquez and Granderson

[Chamomile]

Gammons says that the Red Sox tried to acquire Vazquez via trade last year, and likens him to Edgar Renteria.

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/05/09/gammons-on-the-big-show-leave-buchholz-in-rotation/

 

And Murray Chass interviewed Cashman who said that the Red Sox also attempted to acquire Granderson but they didn't have a cheap, major league centerfielder to offer the Tigers in return.

 

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=1876

 

Can you imagine how much further back in the standings we'd be if we had brought in a guy for our third starter who's struggled in the American League East and our center fielder was on the DL? Oh, wait...

[diony]

Isn't your 37 year old CF on the DL?

[Emmz]

I believe that was noted in a bit of sarcasm at the end

[CanadianSox]

"You people" just don't get sarcasm.

/end Tropic Thunder reference

[a700hitter]

I wouldn't mind having Granderson.

[Divinity]

 

Can you imagine how much further back in the standings we'd be if we had brought in a guy for our third starter who's struggled in the American League East and our center fielder was on the DL? Oh, wait...

 

What makes you think the same extact injury would've occured with a strained groin while playing on a different team in different games?

[YeAuldBroade]

"You people" just don't get sarcasm.

/end Tropic Thunder reference

Just can't be said enough.

[Dipre]

What makes you think the same extact injury would've occured with a strained groin while playing on a different team in different games?

 

Read the original post again.

 

It's an attempt at sarcasm, because the Red Sox have an injured CF they brought in the offseason as well as a new 3rd starter who's struggling.

[Palodios]

Since when was Lackey struggling?

[Dipre]

Since when was Lackey struggling?

 

Well he's got a 4.60 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP. While those numbers have been inflated by a couple of bad starts, he has struggled a bit, even if obviously not to the extent of Vasquez.

[a700hitter]

Since when was Lackey struggling?

Everyone has been hammering Beckett, but Lackey has been lackluster after signing his big contract.

[Palodios]

Everyone has been hammering Beckett' date=' but Lackey has been lackluster after signing his big contract.[/quote']

 

He's started 7 games. 5 of them have been quality starts. 1 of them he won after pitching six innings. So, he's had one bad game where he didn't keep the Sox in it-- I don't call that lackluster.

[a700hitter]

He's started 7 games. 5 of them have been quality starts. 1 of them he won after pitching six innings. So' date=' he's had one bad game where he didn't keep the Sox in it-- I don't call that lackluster.[/quote']It's not commensurate with his compensation either.

[Lester82]

Eh, come on. Lackey has been pretty good. And I wouldn't want Granderson. I'd just want Ellsbury healthy in our center field

 

-and Bay in LF.

[a700hitter]

Eh, come on. Lackey has been pretty good. And I wouldn't want Granderson. I'd just want Ellsbury healthy in our center field

 

-and Bay in LF.

Eh, no he hasn't been. Not yet. Not for what he is getting paid.

[Palodios]

Whine whine whine. Lackey has been fine. Let's move on.

[a700hitter]

Whine whine whine. Lackey has been fine. Let's move on.

I'm not whining about him or Beckett. Both will be fine, but neither has been great yet.

[Chamomile]

The point of the thread really wasn't to discuss whether Lackey's been struggling or not. That was a throw away line.

 

The point was to discuss the fact that the Red Sox had attempted to acquire Granderson and Vazquez this offseason.

[Chamomile]

Isn't your 37 year old CF on the DL?

 

Oh, really? I hadn't noticed!

[SoxSport]

What they should have done was try to get Austin Jackson from the Yankees. Fat chance, but it turns out that was an excellent deal for the Tigers. All that media hoopla about Granderson, too. Jackson might turn out to be ROY in the AL.

 

Trouble with Theo, he tries to get too cute at times. And it costs them. He has played footsie at SS since he made his first mistake not re-signing Cabrera. Then he goes out and signs a 37 yo outfielder, moves his CFder to LF, and puts the guy in CF. The first thing that happens is his LFder collides with his CFder, and now he has 2/3 of his outfield down. You might call it a case of overmanagement. Some bad luck, sure. Cameron arrived in ST apparently hurting. But now you have to question that Ellsbury switch.

[Dipre]

What they should have done was try to get Austin Jackson from the Yankees. Fat chance, but it turns out that was an excellent deal for the Tigers. All that media hoopla about Granderson, too. Jackson might turn out to be ROY in the AL.

 

Trouble with Theo, he tries to get too cute at times. And it costs them. He has played footsie at SS since he made his first mistake not re-signing Cabrera. Then he goes out and signs a 37 yo outfielder, moves his CFder to LF, and puts the guy in CF. The first thing that happens is his LFder collides with his CFder, and now he has 2/3 of his outfield down. You might call it a case of overmanagement. Some bad luck, sure. Cameron arrived in ST apparently hurting. But now you have to question that Ellsbury switch.

 

Ellsbury collided with Beltre, not Cameron.

[italstallianion]

Everyone has been hammering Beckett' date=' but Lackey has been lackluster after signing his big contract.[/quote']

 

 

 

I agree with Palodios on this one, I think that you and Dipre are nuts. I think that Lackey is one of the only pitchers that the Red Sox can't complain about.

[yankees228]

What they should have done was try to get Austin Jackson from the Yankees. Fat chance, but it turns out that was an excellent deal for the Tigers. All that media hoopla about Granderson, too. Jackson might turn out to be ROY in the AL.

 

Trouble with Theo, he tries to get too cute at times. And it costs them. He has played footsie at SS since he made his first mistake not re-signing Cabrera. Then he goes out and signs a 37 yo outfielder, moves his CFder to LF, and puts the guy in CF. The first thing that happens is his LFder collides with his CFder, and now he has 2/3 of his outfield down. You might call it a case of overmanagement. Some bad luck, sure. Cameron arrived in ST apparently hurting. But now you have to question that Ellsbury switch.

 

I know you implied that it's a long shot, but do you think there is literally any chance that the Yankees would have traded Jackson to the Red Sox?

[a700hitter]

I agree with Palodios on this one' date=' I think that you and Dipre are nuts. I think that Lackey is one of the only pitchers that the Red Sox can't complain about.[/quote']I'm not complaining about lackey. i'm glad that we have him. I am just pointing out that everyone is hammering Beckett, but that lackey's performance has not been ace-like either. Ace-like numbers are not there yet. Both will do fine, but posters seem obsessed about hammering Beckett. So, I don't know how that makes me nuts.

[italstallianion]

I'm not complaining about lackey. i'm glad that we have him. I am just pointing out that everyone is hammering Beckett' date=' but that lackey's performance has not been ace-like either. Ace-like numbers are not there yet. Both will do fine, but posters seem obsessed about hammering Beckett. So, I don't know how that makes me nuts.[/quote']

 

 

 

While Lackey has not necessarily been ace like (although 5 of his 7 starts have been pretty ace like), he should not be used in the same sentence as Beckett when it comes to underperforming. Beckett deserves to be hammered thus far, Lackey does not (this start vs. Detroit not withstanding)

[a700hitter]

While Lackey has not necessarily been ace like (although 5 of his 7 starts have been pretty ace like)' date=' he should not be used in the same sentence as Beckett when it comes to underperforming. Beckett deserves to be hammered thus far, Lackey does not (this start vs. Detroit not withstanding)[/quote']It's early. Neither one has done well, but both will be fine.

[TedWilliams101]

Lackey is getting paid to be an Ace, he just happens to be our #3 starter because we have 2 other Aces (well, Beckett is losing that title fast). He's performing like a #4/5 starter; he isn't living up to his contract so far.