How long can we keep the candle lit for Beltre?

[Dojji]

I don't think we can do this much longer. He's had 5 errors already, that's a third of a season's errors for a good 3B and it's only one month.

 

We have a realistic alternative to putting up with the problems we're dealing with at the hot corner. We can play Youkilis at third and Victor Martinez at first. So how long do we try to keep faith with Adrian Beltre, when you combine the present lack of power with a serious cold streak at third base? With all the other issues we're also gutting out? When we could do something relatively simple about it?

[YeAuldBroade]

Until he gets his head out of his ass.

 

Beltre's going nowhere and will be the starting 3rd baseman (barring injury) for the remainder of the season.

[Spudboy]

I don't think we can do this much longer. He's had 5 errors already, that's a third of a season's errors for a good 3B and it's only one month.

 

We have a realistic alternative to putting up with the problems we're dealing with at the hot corner. We can play Youkilis at third and Victor Martinez at first. So how long do we try to keep faith with Adrian Beltre, when you combine the present lack of power with a serious cold streak at third base? With all the other issues we're also gutting out? When we could do something relatively simple about it?

 

Prepare to be ass-raped.

[Dojji]

Beltre's going nowhere and will be the starting 3rd baseman (barring injury) for the remainder of the season.

 

No.

 

When you're in a situation where someone's the starter for the remainder of the season, it's because you don't have a realistic option.

 

We have an option. We can play Youkilis at third. He's not great at it, but he's not as bad as Beltre has been so far this year. We CAN choose to make an adjustment. We can do this without cutting anyone even.

[Spudboy]

Actually, Youk's a pretty good 3rd baseman.

 

Not that it matters.

[a700hitter]

In addition to all the errors and base running stupidity, of his 27 hits he only has 5 doubles. That is really pathetic.

[YeAuldBroade]

Beltre is not going to play like this for the rest of the season. I'm just as pissed as everyone by his play for the month of April but he's a much better player than he's shown so far and will start playing up to true form.

 

Martinez would be a defensive downgrade from Youkilis at first. Youkilis is a defensive downgrade from Beltre at third (with the way Beltre can and WILL play third) and that also means you have to put Varitek at catcher full-time.... I'm not prepared to watch Varitek hit below the Mendoza line for 5 months again.

 

Your "option" stinks.

[Dojji]

Only true if and when Beltre bounces back.

 

I would at least space in some Youks appearances at 3B to try to break up Beltre's slump and get him in gear a bit. Not a formal benching, but a couple days off to get his head on straight. Managers do that stuff all the time.

[a700hitter]

Beltre is not going to play like this for the rest of the season. I'm just as pissed as everyone by his play for the month of April but he's a much better player than he's shown so far and will start playing up to true form.

 

Martinez would be a defensive downgrade from Youkilis at first. Youkilis is a defensive downgrade from Beltre at third (with the way Beltre can and WILL play first) and that also means you have to put Varitek at catcher full-time.... I'm not prepared to watch Varitek hit below the Mendoza line for 5 months again.

 

Your "option" stinks.

It would be a big defensive upgrade at the catcher position. Also, let's not forget that lowell could take some time at 1st. Varitek would still be the part time catcher.

[YeAuldBroade]

I would at least space in some Youks appearances at 3B to try to break up Beltre's slump and get him in gear a bit. Not a formal benching, but a couple days off to get his head on straight. Managers do that stuff all the time.

That is a good idea and will probably happen if Beltre continues to suck defensively... However, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Lowell at 3rd and not Youkilis. You don't want Varitek in the lineup THAT much... remember last year.

[Dojji]

If I had to choose between Beltre playing and Tek at the moment, I know what my choice is. At least in the short term.

 

The miles on Beltre have worried me for awhile -- my concern basically being that they may have contributed to his misery last year. He's got a lot of wear and tear on that body of his for his age because he debuted at 19. He could be a candidate for early decline.

[YeAuldBroade]

If I had to choose between Beltre playing and Tek at the moment' date=' I know what my choice is. At least in the short term. The seasonlong workload hasn't gotten to Varitek yet and Beltre's looking morel ike a 12 year MLB veteran than like a 32 year old ballplayer.[/quote']

You only say that because you're not remembering how bad Varitek was and will be again when he plays more.

 

Beltre is sucking but he's not going to continue to play like that. You're having a knee jerk reaction - your suggestion of sitting him for a couple of games was a good one, stick with that.

[YeAuldBroade]

It would be a big defensive upgrade at the catcher position. Also' date=' let's not forget that lowell could take some time at 1st. Varitek would still be the part time catcher.[/quote']

No he wouldn't, not with Dojii's plan. Varitek would be a full-time catcher.

 

Have we seen Lowell play first yet? I'm sure he can do it but have we seen him? I'm asking because I can't remember ever seeing him at first.

[Dojji]

You only say that because you're not remembering how bad Varitek was and will be again when he plays more.

 

 

You mean as bad as a 3B whio's not hitting for power and is on a 36 error pace?

[Dojji]

No he wouldn't, not with Dojii's plan. Varitek would be a full-time catcher.

 

Have we seen Lowell play first yet? I'm sure he can do it but have we seen him? I'm asking because I can't remember ever seeing him at first.

 

You're really clinging to that. Why don't we just assume we figure out catcher some other way and stop hiding behind Varitek's supposed weakness as a way to duck the question of Beltre's nonperformance.

 

Lowell at 1B, V-Mart at C doesn't change the paradigm much.

[a700hitter]

No he wouldn't, not with Dojii's plan. Varitek would be a full-time catcher.

 

Have we seen Lowell play first yet? I'm sure he can do it but have we seen him? I'm asking because I can't remember ever seeing him at first.

I almost never ascribe to Doji's plans. My plan would be VMart playing 1B on the days he doesn't catch with Youk sliding over to 3B and Tek catching. On the other days, Lowell plays 3B. Beltre would go for surgery to remove his head from his ass or get a brain transplant.

[YeAuldBroade]

You mean as bad as a 3B whio's not hitting for power and is on a 36 error pace?

Oh knock it off. Beltre's not going to get 36 errors. His play will come back up to career standards. Can you even walk with the damage you're doing to your knees?

 

And do you remember last SEASON or not? And I capitalized season because you're comparing one month to six and not seeing that the play over a season is more representative of a players true worth than one month.

[Jasonbay44]

Evan Longoria has 4 errors, I think Rays should bench him.

[YeAuldBroade]

I almost never ascribe to Doji's plans. My plan would be VMart playing 1B on the days he doesn't catch with Youk sliding over to 3B and Tek catching. On the other days' date=' Lowell plays 3B. Beltre would go for surgery to remove his head from his ass or get a brain transplant.[/quote']

I've already answered this. I think it's a bad plan and I've already said why. You guys want to fire a two time gold glover after one month, fine, whatever. I'll just count my blessings you have no real influence on anything that happens with the Red Sox.

[YeAuldBroade]

Evan Longoria has 4 errors' date=' I think Rays should bench him.[/quote']

Bench, no SHOOT HIM, like you would a horse with a broken leg. He's obviously garbage and useless.

[Dojji]

YAB, I started this thread to ask the question. My mind isn't made up on this issue. The reason you got the response you did is because you decided to phrase your response on the basis of a lack of options when options exist.

 

I suspect Beltre will turn it around too, but I don't know it, and I don't trust Beltre that much.

[Dojji]

Bench' date=' no SHOOT HIM, like you would a horse with a broken leg. He's obviously garbage and useless.[/quote']

 

Oh, nice. Way to go over the top and btch as a means of trying to control the conversation, instead of discussing. Real good job.

[ORS]

Oh' date=' nice. Way to go over the top and btch as a means of trying to control the conversation, instead of discussing. Real good job.[/quote']

That's not bitchery, it's mockery, and it's well placed. Hence your reaction.

[YeAuldBroade]

Oh' date=' nice. Way to go over the top and btch as a means of trying to control the conversation, instead of discussing. Real good job.[/quote']

Oh grow up. I was responding to a comment someone else made that was EQUALLY sarcastic. That's not attempting to control the conversation, that's venting when you're frustrated. Go try passive aggressive on someone else.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

Evan Longoria has 4 errors' date=' I think Rays should bench him.[/quote']

 

MIGUEL TEJADA JUST BEAT US AND HAS MOST IN MLB FOR 3RD BASEMEN! MAN I WISH HE WAS BENCHED. *COMMITS SUICIDE*

[a700hitter]

Gold gloves mean nothing. Ask an honest Mets fan what they think of David Wright's circus act at third base. He plays every ball off to his side, and lots of hits are credited on balls that are playable if he would get in front of the ball and knock it down. Beltre has a tendency to make those olay plays too. Tonight he played the ball off to the side and it cost us the game.

[Spudboy]

I almost never ascribe to Doji's plans. My plan would be VMart playing 1B on the days he doesn't catch with Youk sliding over to 3B and Tek catching. On the other days' date=' Lowell plays 3B. Beltre would go for surgery to remove his head from his ass or get a brain transplant.[/quote']

 

I fully endorse this plan.

[YeAuldBroade]

I fully endorse this plan.

Spudboy I expected more from you, but no longer.

[a700hitter]

Spudboy I expected more from you' date=' but no longer.[/quote']So you would prefer Beltre not getting his head removed from his ass or a brain transplant?

[TedWilliams101]

Whats not encouraging is the fact that May has been Beltre's worst month throughout his career. His OPS for May is 0.676, almost .100 points lower than April. The only silver lining is that he gets better and peaks in August. Still, he can't afford to have another bad month.