NFL Draft Thread

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah, I did.

[schillingouttheks]

My point is that you can't rationalize McCourty over Kindle. Not with this team's needs. If they were going to pick a CB, they should have taken Kyle Wilson. What pisses me off is that there were better CBs available.

 

Maybe he'll end up being good, and I certainly hope he proves me wrong. But we need an OLB, and we had a few options. I'm still speechless.

 

And italstallion, please elaborate. You're telling me that McCourty will have a better immediate impact on the Patriots than Dez Bryant would have? I'm also aware of how other teams are getting better through free agency, but this was just another example of how they aren't taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves to keep up.

 

Please, rationalize McCourty over Bryant or Kindle or Wilson or Hughes?

[WhiskeyBreath]

 

Maybe he'll end up being good, and I certainly hope he proves me wrong. But we need an OLB, and we had a few options. I'm still speechless.

 

Well, hopefully they get one with their many picks that they have left.

[italstallianion]

My point is that you can't rationalize McCourty over Kindle. Not with this team's needs. If they were going to pick a CB, they should have taken Kyle Wilson. What pisses me off is that there were better CBs available.

 

Maybe he'll end up being good, and I certainly hope he proves me wrong. But we need an OLB, and we had a few options. I'm still speechless.

 

And italstallion, please elaborate. You're telling me that McCourty will have a better immediate impact on the Patriots than Dez Bryant would have? I'm also aware of how other teams are getting better through free agency, but this was just another example of how they aren't taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves to keep up.

 

Please, rationalize McCourty over Bryant or Kindle or Wilson or Hughes?

 

 

I can't rationalise McCourty over Kindle, but I'd take him over Bryant for sure. Defense is a much bigger need for the Pats than WR, especially in the first round.

[schillingouttheks]

Well' date=' hopefully they get one with their many picks that they have left.[/quote']

 

If Hughes or Kindle is not still there, they f***ed up.

 

Everyone's so quick to jump on me for being upset with the pick, yet no one is rationalizing it. Please provide some substance and tell me why I should not be upset about this pick. I will vouch Bryant over McCourty to the death.

[schillingouttheks]

I can't rationalise McCourty over Kindle' date=' but I'd take him over Bryant for sure. Defense is a much bigger need for the Pats than WR, especially in the first round.[/quote']

 

Dez Bryant's impact on the offense would greatly have outweighed whatever we will be getting from McCourty. He wasn't even the best CB they could have taken, and that's my main gripe. If defense was so important, how can they rationalize taking ANOTHER defensive back when we have much more pressing issues at OLB?

 

If Kindle or Hughes drops to us at our position in the 2nd round, and we don't take him, I'm marching to Foxboro and having some words with Kraft and Bill.

 

Speaking of Kraft, he was sitting next to me at the Capital Grille a few weeks ago and ordered the most expensive bottle of wine in the house... $950 ... I wish I could do that. lol.

[WhiskeyBreath]

If Hughes or Kindle is not still there, they f***ed up.

 

Everyone's so quick to jump on me for being upset with the pick, yet no one is rationalizing it. Please provide some substance and tell me why I should not be upset about this pick. I will vouch Bryant over McCourty to the death.

 

Who jumped on you for being upset and who has been in favor of their selection?

[schillingouttheks]

Who jumped on you for being upset and who has been in favor of their selection?

 

No one. I'm just a little pissed so I'm reading posts that disagree with me as "jumping". It's my fault. Apologies.

 

Still, I can't understand how people would rather have this pick than Dez Bryant, a legitimate number one receiver for years to come who would be the perfect complement to Moss this year with big question marks surrounding Welker and Holt (who is basically an artifact at this point). Again, they have a plethora of 2nd rounders which could have been used to address the defense. I wouldn't have been upset if it was Kindle or Hughes or Wilson, but they didn't even take the best CB available so naturally I believe they could have gotten much better value out of their pick.

[WhiskeyBreath]

I don't like the selection either but who knows, it might end up being a good one.

 

Thee problem I had with drafting Bryant is that we could have had a better receiver for a lower round pick. (Marshall) It was clear that BB wanted nothing to do with either problematic receiver based on how he passed on both.

 

I just read on boston.com that Kindle suffers from narcolepsy, that's something to keep in mind.

 

What are your thoughts on Golden Tate?

[suns]

Who is this robinson kid?

[italstallianion]

Dez Bryant's impact on the offense would greatly have outweighed whatever we will be getting from McCourty. He wasn't even the best CB they could have taken, and that's my main gripe. If defense was so important, how can they rationalize taking ANOTHER defensive back when we have much more pressing issues at OLB?

 

If Kindle or Hughes drops to us at our position in the 2nd round, and we don't take him, I'm marching to Foxboro and having some words with Kraft and Bill.

Speaking of Kraft, he was sitting next to me at the Capital Grille a few weeks ago and ordered the most expensive bottle of wine in the house... $950 ... I wish I could do that. lol.

 

 

 

I'll pass you on my way to Jacksonville to strangle a few people for taking Aluaga at #10.

[riverside sluggers]

Yay another bleeping undersized corner back? Its not like rushing the passer was a glaring need for the Pats. Last 3 years they have taken Meriweather, McKenzie, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler, Chung and now McCourty

 

However, I wouldve been ecstatic if they got Dez Bryant. He was there for the taking. Ill be sick to my stomach to see what kind of year he puts up

 

BB's logic of trading down constantly for "value and upside" picks is maddening

 

weei.com

The Patriots first acquired the 24th and 113th pick (4th rd) from the Denver Broncos in exchange for the 22nd overall selection in the NFL Draft. After that, the Patriots then received picks #27 and #90 from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for the Patriots 24th and 119th picks.

After trading down twice, the Patriots selected Rutgers cornerback Devin McCourty 27th overall. McCourty is a premier kick returner but doesn't have great hands as a cornerback. McCourty had just six career interceptions in three years at Rutgers.

[schillingouttheks]

No suns, he's a cornerback.

[italstallianion]

Which rounds are on TV tomorrow?

[Jasonbay44]

Which rounds are on TV tomorrow?

 

2nd and 3rd.

[SCM33]

All of the arguing over who was better and s*** is really dumb. The Pats f***ed up.....badly.

 

Their biggest need was pass rushers. Had they kept their 2 first round picks:

 

They could of had an OLB and a DE with plus pass rushing abilities.

They could have had Bryant, and a pass rusher.

They could have took 1 pass rusher, then took McCourtey.

 

Any of which would have been better than what happened today.

 

Value picks = mediocre team. In this division this year.....good luck.

 

Spend some f***ing money on draft picks, there is a reason why our draft picks dont make the rosters (for the most part).

[MDF3530]

Thank god. With the Broncos taking Tebow' date=' then the Jaguars no longer have the worst first round pick.[/quote']

I think Tebow would be a great player in the pass-happy Canadian Football League.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Yay another bleeping undersized corner back?

 

Undersized? That's someone like Wheatley, not McCourty. He's pretty much the same size as Revis. How's that kid been?

[msubulldogs21]

Couldn't agree more with SOTK and SCM33... I expected a lot better than this.

 

Pats better get s*** done in the 2nd round and make some nice picks for a change. Haven't been very successful in the draft in a while and that has to change THIS year as everyone else around us is getting better and we're stagnant.

[riverside sluggers]

Undersized? That's someone like Wheatley' date=' not McCourty. He's pretty much the same size as Revis. How's that kid been? [/quote']

 

McCourty is no Revis. In 3 seasons at college he's had just 6 interceptions and scouts say that he has doesnt have great hands for cornerback, more of a special teamer. BB needs to shut the f*** up about value. The Pats are stock piling guys in the secondary while quarterbacks have all the time they want in the pocket

 

Chin, the Pats never had two 1st round picks. They had the one at 22, and 3 second round picks. Youre probably thinking of the Raiders pick next year... but even then BB will trade down from that slot as well

[Divinity]

Patriots should've went with Dez Bryant, Randy Moss even said he doesn't expect to be with New England next year.

[BSN07]

I don't care for the pick that much.

 

But there are a lot of talented players such as Kindle, Dunlap, Griffin are still available.

[suns]

The pats probably didn't pick Dez because he has stuff off the field stuff.

[riverside sluggers]

Off the field stuff is lying to investigators... nothing crime or drug related. Something that scares me is that looking forward to next year, the only wide receivers locked up are Wes Welker (recovering from knee surgery), Julian Edelman, Darnell Jenkins, Isaiah Stanback, Brandon Tate

[SoxSport]

Ever heard of the Peter Principle? It says people get promoted in an organization until they reach the level of their incompetence. Well, maybe BB has reached that level now that Pioli has left and he is running everything on the Patriots. A lot of people are beginning to think he is chewing on too much.

 

I don't think his drafts have been all that great the past 2-3 years. His run on CBs reminds me of Epstein's run on SSs with the Red Sox. He just can't seem to get it right, and when he does, he won't pay the guy. Consequently, he's stuck with the same need year after year, as other needs begin to show themselves.

 

OK. He doesn't like glitz. Dallas is media-minded and likes glitz. They take the glitz with "Dez". The media loves it. BB has been burned before trading up for glitz. Maroney, for one. And that Florida WR of a few years ago comes to mind. But their WRs are OLD. And maybe Moss would have helped straighten out the kid's shortcomings. 50/50 he becomes an impact WR.

 

I view the Patriots as a declining team in a division which is rapidly catching up. The Jets are the media team these days, and that counts in the psycho game. The Dolphins have Parcells--who doesn't have to coach, too. Both teams have improved so far in the off-season, while the Patriots have treaded water.

 

 

Belichick may have too much on his plate to excel across the board anymore. They have given away a lot of good players they drafted because they didn't want to pay them. Well, that catches up with you. What happens is you eventually end up with a lot of aging players in decline and a lot of young players who can't take their place.

 

Remember that game at Indy not punting on 4th and 2 on the 27? Well, there was a disturbing illogic to that decision. And I wonder if that isn't being repeated in the draft. After all, it's quality, not quantity, that counts. You have to draft high to get impact players. It takes hubris to think you can get them in the mid-rounds.

 

This is a draft where Belichick had to role the dice. Didn't see that in the first round last night.

[BSN07]

Off the field stuff is lying to investigators... nothing crime or drug related. Something that scares me is that looking forward to next year' date=' the only wide receivers locked up are Wes Welker (recovering from knee surgery), Julian Edelman, Darnell Jenkins, Isaiah Stanback, Brandon Tate[/quote']

 

I'm sure they will find some way to deepen the receiver corps. But they really need to buld up the defense. That's what really helped lead to all the SB victories. Not big time WR. Brady was throwing to a bunch of nobody's during the teams dominant run.

 

The team seems to have focused more about scoring points in recent years, with worse results. Could they have looked to a different position then DB? Of course. But like I said before, there are still a multitude of talented players on the defensive side of the ball left. So let's wait and see how the rest of the draft pans out before we start to freak out

 

Besides with all the recent additions of WR to the AFC East, having some depth at DB isn't such a bad thing.

[TheMino007]

I would have liked to picked Bryant, but I understand why the Patriots didn't draft him. That Pats have bigger needs, that being said the Pats really screwed up by picking yet another CB. McCourntey is a great special teams guy and will probably end up being a number three CB at best. Sounds like a guy we drafted last year, Darius Butler. We wasted a first round pick on something we already have. I read that there are 19 draftable CB's this year, so we could have waited. We needed an OLB or a pass rusher. Granted the LB/DE class is deeper than CB class, but still pass rusher was the defenses biggest need. We already have enough young CB's, what we needed was to make a trade or pick a veteran CB via free agency. Hell, I'd rather take Braynt thant McCourtney. I'd give the draft selection a C+, hopefully Bill can use those 3 2nd rounders and really help out the team. I'm really starting to think BB is really at the end of his creative geninious

[riverside sluggers]

Plus the Pats just gave a 3 year extension to Bodden

[TheKilo]

Why draft Bryant with a 1st rounder when you could have given up one of your multiple 2nd rounders for Marshall' date=' who is the better receiver.[/quote']

 

Because you don't have to give Bryant $40 million guaranteed? Not that tough.

 

Awful , awful pick from Belichick here.

 

Good to hear some people are rightfully criticizing this - the "defend BB at any costs" regime is out in full force on WEEI

[WhiskeyBreath]

Because you don't have to give Bryant $40 million guaranteed? Not that tough.

 

Awful , awful pick from Belichick here.

 

Good to hear some people are rightfully criticizing this - the "defend BB at any costs" regime is out in full force on WEEI

 

That's incorrect. He was only given $12.5MM guaranteed. They protected themselves with certain language in his contract.