Victor Martinez = failure at catcher position?

[RWTP24]

Okay' date=' so based on the threads created so far this season, JD Drew and Victor Martinez suck and Francona should be fired, wonderful.[/quote']

 

Ok... First, JD Drew is the most over paid playing in the world. He has not done anything of substantial EVER! Well I am sure you will count his huge homerun in the playoffs, but that was just about it. As a Red Sox, JD has never hit over .280, had more than 24 HR, and 68 RBI in a single season. That is not worth 14m that has been making every year.

 

Second, V Mart is not pretty behind the plate and I would not mind see the Sox getting someone else and moving him to the DH spot. With that said, I do not think he is an amazing DH, but it all they have at this point.

 

Finally, I am not a big fan of Francona, but all he has done is win, so everyone needs to relax on calling him out. He does some stupid sh*t sometimes, but he is winning, so he will not be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

 

 

 

If Ortiz continues to struggle' date=' I wouldn't mind V-Mart back as the every day DH next year.[/quote']

 

If the Sox are going to sniff the playoffs, they will need to make a huge trade and ASAP. I am thinking they need to get Adrian Gonzalez before they fall to far back in the standings. I have not been a fan of anything of the offseason moves beside Beltre. Cameron is complete trash and if I remember right, there were better SS out there.

 

 

 

 

Why would Oakland trade Suzuki?

 

They probably would not, but if any team has enough to send them to bring Suzuki to Boston; it would be the Red Sox.

[TheMino007]

You should have read the part where I mentioned that V-Mart is a better defensive catcher because he can still actually catch, something Tek can't do anymore. Look at how many pass balls Tek last season, the guy can't catch on a full time basis anymore. And with the exception of when Beckett is pitching, I'm not worried about the ERA's when V-Mart is behind the dish.

[Jasonbay44]

Ok... First' date=' JD Drew is the most over paid playing in the world. He has not done anything of substantial EVER! Well I am sure you will count his huge homerun in the playoffs, but that was just about it. As a Red Sox, JD has never hit over .280, had more than 24 HR, and 68 RBI in a single season. That is not worth 14m that has been making every year. [/quote']

Homers and RBI's aren't everything, the goal of this game is to get on base and Drew does that very effectively, although Drews highest average was .280, his OBP has been consistently around .400 throughout his career with the Red Sox, a walk isn't as sexy as a hit but its still productive. Drew has also been pretty healthy, especially last year. Its not his fault Francona thinks he cant hit lefties for whatever reason.

 

Second, V Mart is not pretty behind the plate and I would not mind see the Sox getting someone else and moving him to the DH spot. With that said, I do not think he is an amazing DH, but it all they have at this point.

I was referring to next year, when Lowell and Ortiz contracts expire, I wouldn't mind bringing back Martinez as the every day DH, he is a very productive hitter and his defense wouldn't matter at DH position.

 

Finally, I am not a big fan of Francona, but all he has done is win, so everyone needs to relax on calling him out. He does some stupid sh*t sometimes, but he is winning, so he will not be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

I agree.

 

If the Sox are going to sniff the playoffs, they will need to make a huge trade and ASAP. I am thinking they need to get Adrian Gonzalez before they fall to far back in the standings. I have not been a fan of anything of the offseason moves beside Beltre. Cameron is complete trash and if I remember right, there were better SS out there.

Sox could make playoffs without Gonzalez, right now the pitching is struggling, its April 16th, way to early to tell if this team will contend or not. Lets wait till Lester comes around and some of the slumping guys start producing (Vmart, Drew).

 

What SS did you want the Sox to get? Alex Gonzalez? Orlando Cabrera? Scutaro is better then those guys. Ill admit, I wasn't happy with Scutaro signing at first but he's a hell of a lot better then Alex Gonzalez, Orlando Cabrera, Tejada, Jack Wilson or any of the other scrub SS's available. Scutaro will likely only hold SS down till Iglesias is ready to take over in a few years or so.

[Keeper]

Suzuki is not getting dealt any time soon.

 

Right, because Billy Beane isn't known for making trades to try to improve his farm system...

[riverside sluggers]

Ok... First, JD Drew is the most over paid playing in the world. He has not done anything of substantial EVER! Well I am sure you will count his huge homerun in the playoffs, but that was just about it. As a Red Sox, JD has never hit over .280, had more than 24 HR, and 68 RBI in a single season. That is not worth 14m that has been making every year.

 

Second, V Mart is not pretty behind the plate and I would not mind see the Sox getting someone else and moving him to the DH spot. With that said, I do not think he is an amazing DH, but it all they have at this point.

 

Finally, I am not a big fan of Francona, but all he has done is win, so everyone needs to relax on calling him out. He does some stupid sh*t sometimes, but he is winning, so he will not be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the Sox are going to sniff the playoffs, they will need to make a huge trade and ASAP. I am thinking they need to get Adrian Gonzalez before they fall to far back in the standings. I have not been a fan of anything of the offseason moves beside Beltre. Cameron is complete trash and if I remember right, there were better SS out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They probably would not, but if any team has enough to send them to bring Suzuki to Boston; it would be the Red Sox.

 

Id say Alfonso Soriano gets the leg up on most overpaid player

[Dipre]

Ok... First' date=' JD Drew is the most over paid playing in the world. He has not done anything of substantial EVER! Well I am sure you will count his huge homerun in the playoffs, but that was just about it. As a Red Sox, JD has never hit over .280, had more than 24 HR, and 68 RBI in a single season. That is not worth 14m that has been making every year. [/quote']

 

Home-runs and RBI's. Your argument is based on passion, not knowledge or numbers.

 

Look the in-depth offensive and defensive numbers up, then try again.

 

Second, V Mart is not pretty behind the plate and I would not mind see the Sox getting someone else and moving him to the DH spot. With that said, I do not think he is an amazing DH, but it all they have at this point.

 

Why wouldn't he be an amazing DH? He hits lots of HR's and gets lots of RBI's. Make up your mind.

 

Finally, I am not a big fan of Francona, but all he has done is win, so everyone needs to relax on calling him out. He does some stupid sh*t sometimes, but he is winning, so he will not be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

Agree on this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the Sox are going to sniff the playoffs, they will need to make a huge trade and ASAP. I am thinking they need to get Adrian Gonzalez before they fall to far back in the standings. I have not been a fan of anything of the offseason moves beside Beltre. Cameron is complete trash and if I remember right, there were better SS out there.

 

This is the type of thinking that f***s up the future of teams in a hurry. Stop jerking knees.

 

 

 

 

They probably would not, but if any team has enough to send them to bring Suzuki to Boston; it would be the Red Sox.

 

Lol.

[Dipre]

Stop putting words into my mouths and posting useless stats about throwing out runners that was never even mentioned.

 

How many mouths do you have? And you please talk out of only one of them so you can keep the nonsense to a minimum?

[Peter Backgammons]

 

Lol.

 

How many mouths do you have? And you please talk out of only one of them so you can keep the nonsense to a minimum?

 

You're kind of an *******, aren't you

[Dipre]

You're kind of an *******' date=' aren't you[/quote']

 

I don't like trolls. If you're a troll, i'll be an ******* to you and your 30 posts. Otherwise, if you want to be a white knight, i suggest this website:

 

www.whothef***askedyou.com

 

Oh, and that Lol which you so eagerly quoted to make your "point" i wrote because i actually agreed with him. I should have pointed it out, but didn't, so i'll clarify. I'm also not saying RWTP is a troll, even though the other guy clearly is.

[Peter Backgammons]

Confirmed, thanks.

[Dipre]

Should i edit it to "You and your 32 posts" now?

[soxfan17881]

Victor Martinez = failure at catcher position?

 

Do ya think?

[Dipre]

Do ya think?

 

I like you.

[riverside sluggers]

Home-runs and RBI's. Your argument is based on passion, not knowledge or numbers.

 

Look the in-depth offensive and defensive numbers up, then try again.

 

Why wouldn't he be an amazing DH? He hits lots of HR's and gets lots of RBI's. Make up your mind.

 

He's good for a .300 avg, 20+ HRs, 100+ RBIs, hard to strike out. Yeah Id take him at DH

[Dipre]

He's good for a .300 avg' date=' 20+ HRs, 100+ RBIs, hard to strike out. Yeah Id take him at DH [/quote']

 

He also gets on base and gives you a productive AB most of the time.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

 

 

 

 

 

They probably would not, but if any team has enough to send them to bring Suzuki to Boston; it would be the Red Sox.

 

Yeah, well I don't think Celtics or bruins are interested, so good point.

[yeszir]

Yeah' date=' well I don't think Celtics or bruins are interested, so good point.[/quote']

 

Actually funny

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

You're kind of an *******' date=' aren't you[/quote']

Yes he is.

 

How many mouths do you have? And you please talk out of only one of them so you can keep the nonsense to a minimum?

 

Typo, thanks for correcting it, oh holy one.

 

I don't like trolls. If you're a troll, i'll be an ******* to you and your 30 posts. Otherwise, if you want to be a white knight, i suggest this website:

 

www.whothef***askedyou.com

 

Oh, and that Lol which you so eagerly quoted to make your "point" i wrote because i actually agreed with him. I should have pointed it out, but didn't, so i'll clarify. I'm also not saying RWTP is a troll, even though the other guy clearly is.

*Asks him*.

 

There, he has a right to respond now, genius.

[Dipre]

Yes he is.

 

But i'm not a troll.

 

 

 

Typo, thanks for correcting it, oh holy one.

 

Learn to spell Migual.

 

 

*Asks him*.

 

There, he has a right to respond now, genius.

 

Thanks for the heads up there, Nostrafailure.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

But i'm not a troll.

 

 

 

 

 

Learn to spell Migual.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the heads up there, Nostrafailure.

 

 

 

1. How am I troll.

 

2. thanks for spelling it the way I do.

 

3. No problem, glad to help the disabled.

[Gom]

What the f*** are you talking about? It's the middle of April. Last year you were s***ing your pants and jerking knees left and right over the Yanks' slow start' date=' so shut your mouth.[/quote']

 

Nice strawman...but we should be used to this, as you've never made a coherent point.

 

I said that you guys would get to see how a bad defensive catcher impacts your pitching staff. Martinez's bat for a catcher is phenomenal. His catching is terrible. He will pretty much give away as many runs as he creates. We've been living with this as Yankee fans with Posada behind the plate for years.

 

Careful what you ask for.

[Dipre]

1. How am I troll.

 

How are you not?

 

2. thanks for spelling it the way I do.

 

Short bus is that a-way.

 

3. No problem, glad to help the disabled.

 

I can spell but you can't. I don't live in the US, but you do. Who's disabled?

[Dipre]

Nice strawman...but we should be used to this, as you've never made a coherent point.

 

I said that you guys would get to see how a bad defensive catcher impacts your pitching staff. Martinez's bat for a catcher is phenomenal. His catching is terrible. He will pretty much give away as many runs as he creates. We've been living with this as Yankee fans with Posada behind the plate for years.

 

Careful what you ask for.

 

"Strawman?" Do you know what a strawman is?

 

How much "impact" can a "bad catcher" have on a pitching staff in the middle of April?

 

You may have a point in July, but in the middle of April?

 

No seriously, shut up.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

How are you not?

 

 

 

Short bus is that a-way.

 

 

 

I can spell but you can't. I don't live in the US, but you do. Who's disabled?

 

1. Explain How I am trolling? It is obvious that VMART is a horrible defensive catcher and when he isn't hitting he's worthless.

 

2. Of course you would know, you've rode it many times.

 

3. My first language isn't even english, so excuse my spelling.

 

You are the troll, stop throwing down opinions just because you think you are some bad ass.

[YeAuldBroade]

this is retarded

[Dipre]

1. Explain How I am trolling? It is obvious that VMART is a horrible defensive catcher and when he isn't hitting he's worthless.

 

It's a reactionary thread with zero value.

 

2. Of course you would know, you've rode it many times.

 

I drive it, you ride it.

 

3. My first language isn't even english, so excuse my spelling.

Excellent excuse.

 

You are the troll, stop throwing down opinions just because you think you are some bad ass.

 

Stop making reactionary threads and stupid posts and then you can bitch and moan.

[Cocos Disciples]

I will now stab myself repeatedly in the eyes with toothpicks.

 

Someone tell me this is a joke, please.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

It's a reactionary thread with zero value.

 

 

 

I drive it, you ride it.

 

Excellent excuse.

 

 

 

Stop making reactionary threads and stupid posts and then you can bitch and moan.

 

1. Yet you keep replying and it has 6 pages, zero value huh? Its not reactionary if it continues is it mr. smart ass?

 

2. You would, driving a bus with special people would give you some extreme pleasure.

 

3. How is it bitching and moaning, its a valid thread and is actually worth discussing, unlike half the other stupid threads created here of late.

[Dipre]

Massive headache. Brain cells dying.

[Migual Cabrera 2 sox 2009]

You still haven't answered the question, you are a horrible debater, unless there is mastur in front of it, then you dominate.