Please start Hermida over Cameron

[BoSox21]

Where did he bat in the playoffs?

 

Alright fine, you wanna use the post-season as your "he isn't a middle of the order run producer" argument? Drew accounted for 29% of the entire team's RBIs in the post-season last year.

[redsoxrules]

No, I don't know that.

 

If he sucked, Theo wouldn't have him as his manager.

 

 

 

so you're ok with batting one of your top hitters 7 or 8 ?

 

most times that Drew batted 8 was because of a lefty

 

IMO Drew shouldn't bat anywheres below 5 in the order

[rhet]

Why are you guys so hung up on RBI's?

 

[BoSox21]

Why are you guys so hung up on RBI's?

 

 

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/assets_c/2008/12/wve-white-flag-260-thumb-260x358.jpg

[riverside sluggers]

its so cute, rhet and pwndroia are friends

[Dipre]

I just want to make it clear that i love this forum and almost everyone in it. Including the Drew haters, RBI lovers and certain Yankee fans.

 

That is all.

[rhet]

so you're ok with batting one of your top hitters 7 or 8 ?

 

most times that Drew batted 8 was because of a lefty

 

IMO Drew shouldn't bat anywheres below 5 in the order

 

Drew settled nicely into the 8-hole. He was very effective there. And that's why the manager batted him 8th in the playoffs against both righties and lefties.

 

Don't know how anyone can legitimately dispute that.

[rhet]

its so cute' date=' rhet and pwndroia are friends [/quote']

 

I consider you a friend too, RS.

[BoSox21]

Drew settled nicely into the 8-hole. He was very effective there. And that's why the manager batted him 8th in the playoffs against both righties and lefties.

 

Don't know how anyone can legitimately dispute that.

 

That argument could hold weight if he didn't produce anywhere else but fact is, he was productive batting anywhere from 4th to 8th.

[redsoxrules]

Drew settled nicely into the 8-hole. He was very effective there. And that's why the manager batted him 8th in the playoffs against both righties and lefties.

 

Don't know how anyone can legitimately dispute that.

 

Drew Batting # 5 with 83 AB - OPS 1022

 

so yeah , I think he should have stayed in the 5 hole

 

with numbers like that its wasted by batting him 7 or 8

[YeAuldBroade]

No Francona doesn't suck. No Hermidia and Reddick are not better choices than Cameron and JD Drew. No JD Drew does not suck either. No JD Drew is not one of the best hitting outfielders in baseball and probably not worth his $14 million but I do think he's a huge asset to the team.

 

Is there some place where we can vote for stupidest thread of the year?

[rhet]

Drew Batting # 5 with 83 AB - OPS 1022

 

so yeah , I think he should have stayed in the 5 hole

 

with numbers like that its wasted by batting him 7 or 8

 

His career OPS batting 5th is .957.

It's 1.097 batting 8th.

 

And over his career, he doesn't hit well with the bases loaded, so it's probably best to keep him lower in the order.

[redsoxrules]

His career OPS batting 5th is .957.

It's 1.097 batting 8th.

And over his career, he doesn't hit well with the bases loaded, so it's probably best to keep him lower in the order.

 

based on how many AB's on both ?

[Dipre]

One caveat with Broade's post:

 

OF rank by OPS (only those who can qualify for the batting title):

 

Ryan Braun

 

Adam Lind

 

Adam Dunn

 

Jason Bay

 

JD Drew

 

Also top 30 in HR's,2B, XBH, TB.

 

While playing 20 less games than the average OF.

[rhet]

based on how many AB's on both ?

 

637/80

 

And in 128 PA with bases loaded, his OBP is .297 with a .206 BA. Ouch.

[redsoxrules]

637/80

 

And in 128 PA with bases loaded, his OBP is .297 with a .206 BA. Ouch.

 

small sample size

[YeAuldBroade]

One caveat with Broade's post:

 

OF rank by OPS (only those who can qualify for the batting title):

 

Ryan Braun

 

Adam Lind

 

Adam Dunn

 

Jason Bay

 

JD Drew

 

Also top 30 in HR's,2B, XBH, TB.

 

While playing 20 less games than the average OF.

Before I started posting here I read your many, many stats re: JD Drew. I wasn't moved. Like I said I think he's an asset to the team but that's as far as I can go.:harhar:

[rhet]

small sample size

 

12 years.

[Dojji]

Drew had a better OPS than Kevin Youkilis, albeit in fewer at bats.

Also better than Jaason Bay was last year.

[Dipre]

Before I started posting here I read your many' date=' many stats re: JD Drew. I wasn't moved. Like I said I think he's an asset to the team but that's as far as I can go.:harhar:[/quote']

 

Well the stats are what they are.

 

The main puspose of a hitter is to help create runs, the best way to create runs is by getting on base, or not making outs.

 

Not many guys are better than Drew at not making outs, the fact that he can hit for power and play great defense is just icing on the cake.

[italstallianion]

12 years.

 

 

AB's is a more accurate portrayal of sample size than years. Especially because Drew may not have been in that spot for all of 12 years. There are many ways to manipulate that statistic, so it doesn't help your cause.

[Dipre]

Drew had a better OPS than Kevin Youkilis, albeit in fewer at bats.

Also better than Jaason Bay was last year.

 

Excellent.

[rhet]

Well the stats are what they are.

 

The main puspose of a hitter is to help create runs, the best way to create runs is by getting on base, or not making outs.

 

Not many guys are better than Drew at not making outs, the fact that he can hit for power and play great defense is just icing on the cake.

 

I think he'll win the batting title if he bats 8th all year.

[italstallianion]

Drew had a better OPS than Kevin Youkilis, albeit in fewer at bats.

Also better than Jaason Bay was last year.

 

 

That's actually not true. JD Drew's OPS last year was .914, while Bay's was .921. Youkilis was .961. Drew had the worst OPS of the 3.

 

Also, oddly enough, JD Drizzle and Jason Bay have the same career OPS of .896.

[YeAuldBroade]

Dipre, I'm not a stat geek and after about 3 posts in a row of them I turn it all into white noise. Just to let you know you are now and forever wasting your time and you're one post away from being white noise. I accept your opinion on Drew, I just don't agree with it.

[Dipre]

I don't get what the big deal with the discussion about the place where he hits in the lineup is.

 

He is what he is, and i can actually find logic to Tito batting Drew 8th.

 

First off, last year's lineup was way too top-heavy, by batting Drew near the bottom, he slotted someone who could work the pitcher for the top of the lineup, and also help score and drive in runs from the bottom part of a lineup that was littered with inconsistency. He could have asked someone else, but didn't, because there are lots of big egos, and Drew doesn't seem like one of them. His disposition to bat where Tito wants him to when Tito so deems it neccesary is a plus, and speaks very well about the guy's character.

 

Just my opinion.

[YeAuldBroade]

I agree that Drew should hit higher than 8th in the line-up.

[Dipre]

Dipre' date=' I'm not a stat geek and after about 3 posts in a row of them I turn it all into white noise. Just to let you know you are now and forever wasting your time and you're one post away from being white noise. I accept your opinion on Drew, I just don't agree with it.[/quote']

 

Stats are the only really reasonable way to asses a player's ability and worth, specially on offense.

[rhet]

I agree that Drew should hit higher than 8th in the line-up.

 

They might have to, given that the three guys they brought in are worse than he is.

[YeAuldBroade]

Stats are the only really reasonable way to asses a player's ability and worth' date=' specially on offense.[/quote']

 

re-posted from another thread:

"But... I still watch baseball for love of the game. It's one of my passions, not my job. I just want to discuss today's Sox, yesterday's Sox, the Sox from 30 years ago... I know a lot of people are really into statistics and I don't begrudge them their passion/hobby but I'm more into the emotional side of the game. Do the numbers say what kind of leftfielder Yaz was? Frankly, I don't give a crap! I think he was great and since I'm not a G/M that's really good enough for me."

 

So my friend you're wasting your time. In your opinion (and yes it is just an opinion) it's the only way to assess a player.