Sox Withdrew Offer to Bay in July Because of MRI

[Imperial59]

Apparently, the Sox and Bay had agreed on a 4 year/$60 million in July, pending a physical. But an MRI showed damage in both his knees and the Sox withdrew their offer, uncomfortable with signing him any longer than two years.

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/redsox/blog/_/post/4837689

[example1]

Apparently, the Sox and Bay had agreed on a 4 year/$60 million in July, pending a physical. But an MRI showed damage in both his knees and the Sox withdrew their offer, uncomfortable with signing him any longer than two years.

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/redsox/blog/_/post/4837689

 

How is it that this went unreported? I'd say that is indication that the FO has their leaks sealed pretty well.

 

Damage in both knees corroborates the view held by just about everyone here that he's a DH in two seasons. I like his bat, but DH needs to be saved for other options moving forward.

[Emmz]

Damn, yeah, the Mets may have really screwed themselves.... I don't think he's going to be able to play defense for the duration of that contract, and I could see him being traded to an AL team as a DH at a pretty low cost in two or three years.

 

His bat is good, but yeah, like example said, everyone was basically under the opinion that he would be a DH in a couple of seasons, and this just testifies to that statement being true.

[jacksonianmarch]

depends on what that "damage" was.

[Dojji]

Considering how important having a good "foundation" is to swing mechanics. I'm not sure you can count on the bat if the knees go too far. And I think it might have been using the upper body to compensate for the loss of strength in his knee that caused Big Papi's wrist injury.

[SCM33]

depends on what that "damage" was.

 

[table]Topic|Player Leaves|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

Player Leaves|Yankees|They are better off without him, he was hurt/too old/sucked

Player Leaves|Redsox|They are really gunna regret it, he wasnt all that hurt/hes still young/He has a lot left in the tank.[/table]

 

New add on for the chart.

[Dipre]

^Thank you very much.

[Spudboy]

[table]Topic|Player Leaves|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

Player Leaves|Yankees|They are better off without him, he was hurt/too old/sucked

Player Leaves|Redsox|They are really gunna regret it, he wasnt all that hurt/hes still young/He has a lot left in the tank.[/table]

 

New add on for the chart.

 

Lol!

[ZonaSoxFan]

Wow. That was kept an uber secret. I never even read rumors about this, there's usually at least rumors...

[BSN07]

[table]Topic|Player Leaves|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

Player Leaves|Yankees|They are better off without him, he was hurt/too old/sucked

Player Leaves|Redsox|They are really gunna regret it, he wasnt all that hurt/hes still young/He has a lot left in the tank.[/table]

 

New add on for the chart.

 

Nice.

 

Can't see ORS minding that amendment

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, does anyone find the timing of this to be too convenient for the Red Sox? Cmon now, this is EXACTLY what they always do when a player leaves. Tarnish him on the way out. "Hey, we got better in the ....... department and btw, the guy was (injured/a clubhouse cancer/a drunk/a womanizer)" This is EXACTLY how they've always operated.

[redsoxrules]

Also' date=' does anyone find the timing of this to be too convenient for the Red Sox? Cmon now, this is EXACTLY what they always do when a player leaves. Tarnish him on the way out. "Hey, we got better in the ....... department and btw, the guy was (injured/a clubhouse cancer/a drunk/a womanizer)" This is EXACTLY how they've always operated.[/quote']

 

read the chart ..k thx bye

[a700hitter]

Also' date=' does anyone find the timing of this to be too convenient for the Red Sox? Cmon now, this is EXACTLY what they always do when a player leaves. Tarnish him on the way out. "Hey, we got better in the ....... department and btw, the guy was (injured/a clubhouse cancer/a drunk/a womanizer)" This is EXACTLY how they've always operated.[/quote']It happens every single time.

[Imperial59]

Also' date=' does anyone find the timing of this to be too convenient for the Red Sox? Cmon now, this is EXACTLY what they always do when a player leaves. Tarnish him on the way out. "Hey, we got better in the ....... department and btw, the guy was (injured/a clubhouse cancer/a drunk/a womanizer)" This is EXACTLY how they've always operated.[/quote']

 

I think Bill Mueller, Kevin Millar, Trot Nixon, Curt Schilling, Mike Timlin, Mark Loretta, Alex Gonzalez, etc. would disagree with your conspiracy theory.

 

I assume you're referring to Manny Ramirez, but if you think it was the Red Sox that tarnished his name while he was slapping Kevin Youkilis in the dugout on live TV, then I think you've got it a little backwards.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am referring to Johnny Damon, Manny Ramirez, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, etc. Oh, and Schilling was reamed in the media for his biceps injury too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Mo Vaughn, Nomar Garciaparra to name a few more.

[a700hitter]

Mo Vaughn' date=' Nomar Garciaparra to name a few more.[/quote']Damon and Pedro too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Its not like this is a secret. The sox do this to every player that leaves who isnt completely and totally done and who doesnt leave on good terms

[BudLight]

Doc

 

If there was no truth to his injury concerns, why were his offers few and far between. If he is as good as some believe, he wouldn't have signed with the Mets..

[jacksonianmarch]

In all of these seeds of discontent, there are seeds of truth. I dont doubt the report, I do doubt the extent of his injury and the convenient timing of the report. Also, trying to predict the life of a player based on arthritis and cartilage or lack thereof is a fool's game.

[a700hitter]

In all of these seeds of discontent' date=' there are seeds of truth. I dont doubt the report, I do doubt the extent of his injury and the convenient timing of the report. Also, trying to predict the life of a player based on arthritis and cartilage or lack thereof is a fool's game.[/quote']Whether the story is accurate about his knees is irrelevant. It is the FO way of getting the fans to accept their moves. They smear thhe guys that leave with some sort of CYA story every time. Bay seemed to be running very well all of last season. He played almost every day. The only injury he had was to his calf. Does he have a condition in his knee? Probably. He hurt it a couple of years ago. Drew's injury history was not enough to keep the Sox from signing him for 5 years and big bucks. He has a bad shoulder and a bad back.

[SoxSport]

The Red Sox have a history of being pretty careful about who they sign to long term contracts. Lugo comes to mind, LOL. I'm thinking of Damon, who they did not want to pay big CF money for, since they didn't see him as a CFer in two years because of his shoulder. They were right. And then there's Pedro.Right again. And earlier, Mo Vaughn.

 

Now you have the Mets stuck with a guy who they can't even DH in a couple of years. I really hope this isn't a disaster for them. They have been through this before--taking chances on expensive long term contracts when other teams backed off. They pay guys like Pedro big bucks for 4 years just to get him, and then have to settle for 2 good years. That's bad business.

[kreinbihl34]

I am referring to Johnny Damon' date=' Manny Ramirez, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, etc. Oh, and Schilling was reamed in the media for his biceps injury too.[/quote']

 

They were right with Pedro.

Lowe was a drunk.

Manny was a cancer.

Damon got by with Coors East.

 

Go back under the bridge.

[kreinbihl34]

Whether the story is accurate about his knees is irrelevant. It is the FO way of getting the fans to accept their moves. They smear thhe guys that leave with some sort of CYA story every time. Bay seemed to be running very well all of last season. He played almost every day. The only injury he had was to his calf. Does he have a condition in his knee? Probably. He hurt it a couple of years ago. Drew's injury history was not enough to keep the Sox from signing him for 5 years and big bucks. He has a bad shoulder and a bad back.

 

They also had an out clause to protect themselves.

[Imperial59]

In all of these seeds of discontent' date=' there are seeds of truth. I dont doubt the report, I do doubt the extent of his injury and the convenient timing of the report. Also, trying to predict the life of a player based on arthritis and cartilage or lack thereof is a fool's game.[/quote']

 

The convenient timing of the report? How is it convenient for the report to come out a month after they signed Cameron?

[Imperial59]

Its not like this is a secret. The sox do this to every player that leaves who isnt completely and totally done and who doesnt leave on good terms

 

Can you provide any tangible evidence that the Sox smear players who don't leave on good terms? Manny was shoving over the traveling secretary and slapping his teammate in the face on live television. Hard to blame that one on the Red Sox.

[Imperial59]

I am referring to Johnny Damon' date=' Manny Ramirez, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, etc. Oh, and Schilling was reamed in the media for his biceps injury too.[/quote']

 

How did the Sox smear Damon, Pedro, Lowe or Schilling?

[a700hitter]

Can you provide any tangible evidence that the Sox smear players who don't leave on good terms? Manny was shoving over the traveling secretary and slapping his teammate in the face on live television. Hard to blame that one on the Red Sox.

...and how dd the story about the Traveling Secretary get in the paper. Manny didn't run to the paper, nor did the Traveling Secetary.

[a700hitter]

Every team uses the press as a tool to further its agenda and help it with fan relations, etc. That's part of the game. If they didn't think the press was necessary to their business, they wouldn't let them in the clubhouse, hold press conferences etc.

[Imperial59]

...and how dd the story about the Traveling Secretary get in the paper. Manny didn't run to the paper' date=' nor did the Traveling Secetary.[/quote']

 

So Manny shoves a secretary over and you blame the Red Sox for it? The Red Sox didn't make the story up, it actually happened. Blaming the Red Sox for it is like blaming the Wizards for Gilbert Arenas or blaming the Giants for Plaxico Burress. These are the actions of the players, not the Red Sox. The Sox didn't implant a computer chip into Manny's brain and force him to commit multiple violent actions against team secretaries and his teammates.

 

Manny asked to be traded multiple times even though he was one of the highest paid players in baseball and one of the most appreciated by his fan base. To blame the Red Sox for his juvenile issues is ridiculous.