Have the Red Sox improved or regressed?

[Dipre]

I apologize for the tone of the question. Reading it again' date=' I understand how it could have been misconstrued.[/quote']

 

It's all good, man. You know we like you here.

 

Stick around, take your shoes off, have a cookie (chocolate chip) and a glass of milk.

[Imperial59]

I wasnt responding to you Dipre. That being said' date=' I find it absolutely hilarious that people are considering DiceK more of a lock to stay healthy than Burnett. Hilarious. Burnett had TJS. He's been healthy for 2 yrs straight. DiceK cannot stay off the DL. Big difference.[/quote']

 

And I find it hilarious how you just called a guy who's been on the DL four times the last 9 years (two of them last year when he failed to disclose an injury from the WBC) someone who "cannot stay off the DL" and you referred to a guy who's been on the DL 11 times int he last 8 years the less injury prone of the two. Let's compare their injury histories:

 

Daisuke Matsuzaka

2002 - Elbow injury

2008 - Mild Rotator Cuff Strain

2009 - Mild Shoulder Strain? (MRI showed no damage)

2009 - Shoulder Strain? (MRI showed no damage)

AJ Burnett

2001 - Broken Right Foot

2002 - Right Elbow Injury

2003 - Right Elbow Inflamation

2003 - Right Elbow Inflamation

2004 - Tommy John Surgery

2005 - Elbow Injury

2006 - Elbow Injury

2006 - Elbow Injury

2007 - Shoulder Injury

2007 - Shoulder Injury

 

So, how exactly is it hilarious to think that Matsuzaka's more likely to stay healthy?

[jacksonianmarch]

How is his time with the Marlins relevant now, especially after 2 healthy yrs where he was very productive? And how do you expect to win an argument about health when the guy who is supposedly "healthy" made only 12 starts last yr?

[Dipre]

How is his time with the Marlins relevant now' date=' especially after 2 healthy yrs where he was very productive? And how do you expect to win an argument about health when the guy who is supposedly "healthy" made only 12 starts last yr?[/quote']

 

Says the guy who's been bitching about Drew's injury history. Interesting.

[VA Sox Fan]

I wasnt responding to you Dipre. That being said' date=' I find it absolutely hilarious that people are considering DiceK more of a lock to stay healthy than Burnett. Hilarious. Burnett had TJS. He's been healthy for 2 yrs straight. DiceK cannot stay off the DL. Big difference.[/quote']

 

 

Learn to use the quote option to avoid any future confusion Mr. Question Mark.

[Dipre]

Learn to use the quote option to avoid any future confusion Mr. Question Mark.

 

This post needs to be sigged. Pronto.

[Mr Crunchy]

How many more years does Burnett have in NY?

He sucks, a complete mental case whos more inclined to give up double digits in Fenway than anyone else since Carl Pavano left NY.

[Plumpamania]

I forget, how'd Burnett do in the playoffs?

[Dipre]

How many more years does Burnett have in NY?

He sucks, a complete mental case whos more inclined to give up double digits in Fenway than anyone else since Carl Pavano left NY.

 

I forget' date=' how'd Burnett do in the playoffs?[/quote']

 

How dare you!!!!

 

Burnett is GOD!!!!111!!!!

 

/endsarcasm.

[Imperial59]

How is his time with the Marlins relevant now' date=' especially after 2 healthy yrs where he was very productive? And how do you expect to win an argument about health when the guy who is supposedly "healthy" made only 12 starts last yr?[/quote']

 

Any way you slice it, Burnett has been injured A LOT over his career. Even in the last four years alone, he's been on the DL five times. And Matsuzaka over his career has been pretty healthy. If he wasn't a dumbass and disclosed his groin injury to the team last year, he likely would have pitched most of the year last year after he took some time off to heal it up. And if he didn't pitch in the WBC, he probably wouldn't have gotten hurt.

[Imperial59]

Says the guy who's been bitching about Drew's injury history. Interesting.

 

Woah, woah, woah. That's a completely different case.

 

[table]Topic|Player Leaves|Team|Content

Prospect|Yankees|The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.

Prospect|Sox|He could be good, but this is why he won't be.

Signing|Yankees|This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.

Signing|Sox|Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.

Injury|Yankees|They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.

Injury|Sox|Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

Player Leaves|Yankees|They are better off without him, he was hurt/too old/sucked

Player Leaves|Redsox|They are really gunna regret it, he wasnt all that hurt/hes still young/He has a lot left in the tank.[/table]

 

As you can clearly see, Burnett may have been on the DL 10 times since 2000, but he doesn't get hurt. And even a Red Sox player may has a track record of being healthy, they're a ticking time bomb.

 

Hope that clears up any confusion.

[Dipre]

Woah' date=' woah, woah. That's a completely different case.[/quote']

 

Hey, don't f*** with JD.

[Dojji]

Hey' date=' don't f*** with JD. [/quote']

 

Yeah, that's his wife's job. Or maybe Dipre's.

[Dipre]

Yeah' date=' that's his wife's job. Or maybe Dipre's.[/quote']

 

At least i'm getting some. Oh snap. The smug detector goes off yet again.

[Dojji]

[Imperial59]

PECOTA has the Sox winning 94 games, scoring 808 runs and winning the AL East by 2 games.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

[TheMino007]

Seems reasonable, except for the part about the Sox winning the AL East. I doubt the Yanks will only win 92 games, probably be closer to 102 and the Sox will be 8 back.

[yeszir]

Nate Silver says so, it must be true.

[jacksonianmarch]

All of these prediction sites are pretty inaccurate yr to yr. And every single prediction mod has something different. I'd go with the likelihood that both teams will be making the playoffs and the strong likelihood that NY is winning the East

[Imperial59]

All of these prediction sites are pretty inaccurate yr to yr. And every single prediction mod has something different. I'd go with the likelihood that both teams will be making the playoffs and the strong likelihood that NY is winning the East

 

Pretty much all big name projections have the two teams making the playoffs with nearly identical records. Should be a fun race this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pretty much all big name projections have the two teams making the playoffs with nearly identical records. Should be a fun race this year.

 

The race is always fun

[Imperial59]

The race is always fun

 

Do you think it will be a fun race or do you think the Yankees will be the far better team?

[Keeper]

Dude, give it a rest.

[Emmz]

Seems reasonable' date=' except for the part about the Sox winning the AL East. I doubt the Yanks will only win 92 games, probably be closer to 102 and the Sox will be 8 back.[/quote']

 

I think you need to reconsider. I don't think the Yankees are as sure to win the division as you think they are.

[Dipre]

The Yankees are the better team on paper, but it's a long season, and injury, inefectiveness and surprise performances always impact this kind of races.

 

However, seeing as the Yankees won 100+ last year and actually got a bit better, Jacko has every right to firmly believe they will repeat for the division.

 

That being said, any Sox fan who feels that the Sox are primed for a hostile takeover is also justified in thinking that, seeing that the Yankees, like every other Major League team, have many question marks, and it only takes one break to change the outcome of a division.

[a700hitter]

Anything can happen. That's why they play the games, but the Yanks are huge favorites to repeat. I think they will sorely miss Damon, and that should impact their run production, but they have plenty of big sticks.

[TheMino007]

The Yankees offense will carry them through the regular season, however in a short playoff series, with their lack of pitching depth, they could find themselves in trouble. In a 7 game series I think its fair to say with the current roster the Sox would have a 50/50 shot at beating the Yanks. But the Yanks will win the AL East.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees lack of pitching depth? Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Vasquez. That's pretty good depth.

[TheMino007]

Burnett isn't worth what he is being paid, and really isn't a reliable number two, Pettitte will fall off from last year, and Vasquez sucks in the AL, big time, he's a NL pitcher. One reliable pitcher heading into the playoffs, we have 3.

[jacksonianmarch]

How's the Kool-Aid? They won a WS with 3 of the above pitchers exclusively starting and they beat your new addition to make it to the WS.