Jason Bay going to the Mets

[Dipre]

The Mets needed to make some sort of splash this offseason. They lost Delgado this offseason and any viable catching option. Their offense last year was so putrid I believe they had to sign Bay or Holliday as Citifield would be as barren as Shea. As the point goes to show a winning product brings fans in moreso than a fancy new park.

 

Bay won't last the 5 years of his contract...moreso like the Pedro contract 3 years then he'll break down.

 

That seems to be the general consensus.

 

Trolling Yankee fans, however, will assure you that Bay will produce throughout the length of his contract, just like they said when the Mets signed Pedro, and look how that turned out.

[riverside sluggers]

The Mets need a lot of luck to even contend for the wild card. This is a team that lost 92 games. Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Luis Castillo, John Maine, Oliver Perez and JJ Putz spent time on the disabled list. Carlos Delgado is likely to leave with Dan Murphy (aka Casey Kotchman) starting at 1st base

 

The starting rotation is basically Johan Santana & Co. Johan's ERA was at 3.13. John Maine had the 2nd best ERA at 4.43 and he just made 15 starts. All other starters had an ERA of over 5

[Dipre]

Think about the events of a few weeks ago when you found out that most people do not like your s*** and you abruptly left' date=' only to find that you weren't missed and we actually got along better in your absence? [/i']

 

About this nugget.

 

I came back because people asked me to, i'm pretty sure those same people would love it if you STFU and GTFO.

 

We can give it a go and make a poll if you'd like.

[redsoxrules]

About this nugget.

 

I came back because people asked me to, i'm pretty sure those same people would love it if you STFU and GTFO.

 

We can give it a go and make a poll if you'd like.

 

DO IT

[Dipre]

DO IT

 

I'd like to have a third party do it.

 

You can if you'd like to.

[redsoxrules]

I'd like to have a third party do it.

 

You can if you'd like to.

 

there's no point, Jacko would never leave here, unless he gets banned

[Dipre]

there's no point' date=' Jacko would never leave here, unless he gets banned[/quote']

 

Well if he keeps taking shots and starting s*** like he did today, he deserves to get banned.

[jacksonianmarch]

********.

 

Couple of things:

 

1) We are trying to enforce peace around here, no name-calling etc., your case is different because you're a biased idiot who contributes little to the discussion but attempts to minimize the Red Sox and any sort of enthusiasm from us for our team. So shut the f*** up. If you try to pick a fight you'll get it, you biased hypocrite.

 

2) No one has minimized Bay's production. Spudboy had a poor choice of words which he has admitted, but the health issues are legit. He was a productive bat, i have stated this, but if the Sox decided not to sign him because of health concerns which are legit, but no one ever mentioned lack of offensive production as the basis for this happening, so stop your ridiculous strawman. Your biased opinion is not welcome.

 

3) When you stop your absolutely ridiculous and yawn-inducing bias-filled comments, then i will begin respecting you and i will stop having at you just like the rest of the site does.

 

I am glad that you have stepped up your peacekeeping efforts. This just further reinforces my point.

 

On to Bay. I think Bay will produce offensively through the next few seasons. He will probably start the slow trail by season 3, but overall be a productive offensive force. His issue, IMO, is his ability to play the field, which makes the Mets just the dumbest landing spot for the guy. He could easily have performed when he has the option of the DH. But I have a feeling his productivity and his health will wane from being mandated to the field more than anything else.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well if he keeps taking shots and starting s*** like he did today' date=' he deserves to get banned.[/quote']

 

Always the victim Dipre.

[Dipre]

I am glad that you have stepped up your peacekeeping efforts. This just further reinforces my point.

 

On to Bay. I think Bay will produce offensively through the next few seasons. He will probably start the slow trail by season 3, but overall be a productive offensive force. His issue, IMO, is his ability to play the field, which makes the Mets just the dumbest landing spot for the guy. He could easily have performed when he has the option of the DH. But I have a feeling his productivity and his health will wane from being mandated to the field more than anything else.

 

Fantastic cop-out.

 

You're a baiter, and you contribute little to the board.

 

I will echo the sentiment of almost everyone on this site, and again tell you, please STFU and GTFO.

 

I may be confrontational, but you take personal shots, call to the mods after baiting and show an overall desire to be a douchebag.

 

Go away. No one likes you.

[Dipre]

Always the victim Dipre.

 

Oh?

 

So i try to keep someone off Spudboy in a respectful manner and you come in and take a shot but i'm "always the victim".

 

Again, you're a douchebag.

 

STFU and GTFO.

[Plumpamania]

Go to NYYfans.net or w/e can get banned in 5 seconds for being a Sox fan.

[Imperial59]

About this nugget.

 

I came back because people asked me to, i'm pretty sure those same people would love it if you STFU and GTFO.

 

We can give it a go and make a poll if you'd like.

 

Can you guys both please cut it out? Just let the mods handle this troll.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fantastic cop-out.

 

You're a baiter, and you contribute little to the board.

 

I will echo the sentiment of almost everyone on this site, and again tell you, please STFU and GTFO.

 

I may be confrontational, but you take personal shots, call to the mods after baiting and show an overall desire to be a douchebag.

 

Go away. No one likes you.

 

Regardless, I am done with you. I'll let this die for now. But dont think your act of cowardice will be forgotten

[Dipre]

Can you guys both please cut it out? Just let the mods handle this troll.

 

Indeed.

[Keeper]

Please stop putting words in my mouth.

 

Did you hear me mention RBI as a stat?

 

I said "Driving runs in" for a cleanup hitter. Completely different things.

 

His approach, IMHO, is still to get on base, he's not very aggressive with RISP. It's the same complaint i had with Bay, though i will admit Youk is an extremely tough out either way, his approach doesn't sit well with the whole "driving runs in" mentality.

 

My mistake. Driving runs in and RBIs aren't analogous.

 

Not aggressive enough with RISP? I call BS. What did Imperial say? As a cleanup hitter, he'd be on pace for 120 RBIs? For a guy who claims to back up arguments with stats, you're kind of ignoring your calling card here. Not aggressive enough.

[Dipre]

My mistake. Driving runs in and RBIs aren't analogous.

 

Not aggressive enough with RISP? I call BS. What did Imperial say? As a cleanup hitter, he'd be on pace for 120 RBIs? For a guy who claims to back up arguments with stats, you're kind of ignoring your calling card here. Not aggressive enough.

 

First off, thank you for your very interesting baiting attempt.

 

Second, if you take the time to read the post instead of looking for opportunities to take shots, you'll notice i regarded it as "an opinion you cannot see on the stats", meaning i don't expect it to hold water, and if an interested, non-trolling party (you are trolling here) i would gladly take their statistical analysis as valid since it was simply my opinion.

 

On a side note, i would urge you to do some comprehensive reading and drop the Jacko baiting act, because RBI as a statistic has not been used by me in any manner on this thread, and you'll notice i didn't challenge I59's opinion because i deem it valid, but from my POV Youkilis is not your prototypical cleanup hitter. I personally would rather have him in the three spot, but hey, troll away.

[Keeper]

Baiting. Trolling. Victim card. A pattern.

[Dipre]

Baiting. Trolling. Victim card. A pattern.

 

Yup.

 

Between you and Jacko, it certainly is. But you get the benefit of the use of the smiley, which is an exclusive.

[Keeper]

Back on topic, isn't is possible the FO was wrong about Bay's deteriorating health? They were dead wrong on Damon being finished.

[Dipre]

Pedro Martinez.

[Keeper]

They were right about Pedro, but Damon proves they're not flawless when it comes to their evaluations.

[Dipre]

They were right about Pedro' date=' but Damon proves they're not flawless when it comes to their evaluations.[/quote']

 

No one is.

 

Regardless, they thought he wouldn't last the duration of the contract as a "productive CF" in that aspect, they were right, but his bat hardly lost anything.

 

Concerns about Bay are not about his bat, but his defense. I doubt they're wrong about that, seeing how even the Mets are making a big deal out of the physical.

[Dipre]

My mistake. Driving runs in and RBIs aren't analogous.

 

Not aggressive enough with RISP? I call BS. What did Imperial say? As a cleanup hitter, he'd be on pace for 120 RBIs? For a guy who claims to back up arguments with stats, you're kind of ignoring your calling card here. Not aggressive enough.

 

About this:

 

I've been looking for a stat to back me up in my analysis of Bay/Youkilis not being prototypical cleanup hitters, and i've found it.

 

It's called "Clutch" in fangraphs.The statistic tries to measures how well a players perform in a previously defined "clutch" situation relative to how they would have performed in a context-neutral environment.

 

However, i came up a bit surprised, because some of the players i would deem as "prototypical cleanup hitters" don't fare very well according to this stat either.

 

I shall continue my research.

[Spudboy]

Baiting. Trolling. Victim card. A pattern.

 

I definitely see a pattern. And it is YOU taking any and all opportunities to challenge or attack Dipre about anything. It's really stupid. And immature.

 

This board would be well served if you would see fit to retire to your bedroom with your 8"x11'' glossy of Ferguson Jenkins and a new supply of Kleenex.

[jacksonianmarch]

Its a futile effort. Clutch has been disproven over time and even some of the most "unclutch" people of all time have suddenly become absolute locks when the chips are down. Arguing who is better in the #4 spot is stupid. You are talking about 2 guys who have put up .900+OPS's with close to 30 or more homers and 110 or more RBIs. Both qualify

[Keeper]

I definitely see a pattern. And it is YOU taking any and all opportunities to challenge or attack Dipre about anything. It's really stupid. And immature.

 

This board would be well served if you would see fit to retire to your bedroom with your 8"x11'' glossy of Ferguson Jenkins and a new supply of Kleenex.

 

Haha, nicest member on Talksox. Good one.

[Dipre]

Its a futile effort. Clutch has been disproven over time and even some of the most "unclutch" people of all time have suddenly become absolute locks when the chips are down. Arguing who is better in the #4 spot is stupid. You are talking about 2 guys who have put up .900+OPS's with close to 30 or more homers and 110 or more RBIs. Both qualify

 

If you don't know what the actual formula is, or its applications, why are you talking about it?

 

In the context of the formula "clutch" is a term attributed to performance in certain situations, not the usual (and laughable) application of the term clutch.

[Dojji]

Boy did this get off topic in a hurry.

 

I don't suppose we could all calm down a second?

[jacksonianmarch]

If you don't know what the actual formula is, or its applications, why are you talking about it?

 

In the context of the formula "clutch" is a term attributed to performance in certain situations, not the usual (and laughable) application of the term clutch.

 

and that performance is incredibly variable season to season. It is a miserable way to measure someone's worth.