Mike Lowell traded to Texas, Max Ramirez to Boston (Deal is off)

[Gom]

What I didn't understand is why the Sox didn't make a huge push for Nick Johnson. He would have been the perfect fit. If he gets hurt, you slide in Lowell.

[Palodios]

He'll be traded. If he can play, someone on the AL will bite on his offense.

 

 

 

The "hip improving" thing is pure speculation. With a hip injury as serious as that, and with Lowell's age, what you saw at the end of last year is what you get, honestly.

 

A-Rod is only a year younger, and had the same thing, a labrum tear in his hip.

[Dipre]

What I didn't understand is why the Sox didn't make a huge push for Nick Johnson. He would have been the perfect fit. If he gets hurt' date=' you slide in Lowell.[/quote']

 

Nick Johnson is an enormous injury risk. He's not a perfect fit for the Sox, he was for the Yanks because he's going to DH.

 

A-Rod is only a year younger' date=' and had the same thing, a labrum tear in his hip.[/quote']

 

A-Rod's defense also suffered significantly.

[a700hitter]

He'll be traded. If he can play, someone on the AL will bite on his offense.

 

 

 

The "hip improving" thing is pure speculation. With a hip injury as serious as that, and with Lowell's age, what you saw at the end of last year is what you get, honestly.

I can't see a trade being made until he has recovered from the thumb surgery. That will take about 8 weeks bringing us to the middle February. That really doesn't leave the team much time to execute a plan. If they are waiting on Lowell being moved before they bite on Beltre, they are out of luck. Beltre will be long off the market by the time Lowell gets traded.

[Dipre]

I can't see a trade being made until he has recovered from the thumb surgery. That will take about 8 weeks bringing us to the middle February. That really doesn't leave the team much time to execute a plan. If they are waiting on Lowell being moved before they bite on Beltre' date=' they are out of luck. Beltre will be long off the market by the time Lowell gets traded.[/quote']

 

They're probably going to do whatever they're going to do in spite of Lowell imo.

[a700hitter]

They're probably going to do whatever they're going to do in spite of Lowell imo.

They are going to need to. They can't wait for him to recover and become tradeable.

[Dipre]

They are going to need to. They can't wait for him to recover and become tradeable.

 

I'll be content with anything other than Kotchman manning 1st. I'm prepared for the possibility though.

[a700hitter]

I'll be content with anything other than Kotchman manning 1st. I'm prepared for the possibility though.

If they go forward with Kotchman, it would be a very regrettable mistake by the FO.

[bsox0407]

He is going to have the surgery after christmas.

 

[Palodios]

He is going to have the surgery after christmas.

 

 

So... why didn't he have surgery when the season ended 6 weeks ago?

[ORS]

The waiting list to operate on corpses is 6 weeks.

[Tyler Durden]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-lowell-finished-in-boston

 

Lowell has no future with Red Sox

 

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Updated Dec 20, 2009 5:41 PM EDT

 

Prediction: Mike Lowell will never play another game for the Red Sox.

 

If the relationship between the player and team is not beyond repair, it's pretty close.

 

The Red Sox obviously do not want Lowell playing third base for them next season. In fact, they have not wanted Lowell from roughly the time he underwent surgery on his right hip after the 2008 season.

 

The evidence:

 

- The Red Sox's attempt to sign free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira last offseason, which would have resulted in Kevin Youkilis moving to third and Lowell likely getting traded one year after he signed a three-year, $37.5 million free-agent contract with the team.

 

- The Red Sox's trades for catcher Victor Martinez and first baseman Casey Kotchman last July 31, which increased Youkilis' playing time at third and reduced Lowell's shortly after Lowell came off the disabled list with a right hip strain.

 

- The Red Sox's willingness to pay $9 million of Lowell's $12 million salary in their proposed trade with the Rangers – a trade that is now off because Lowell will require thumb surgery and miss 6 to 8 weeks.

 

Lowell, who turns 36 on Feb. 24, has no recourse; he was a good soldier and effective hitter when healthy last season, and is not the type to demand a trade. Still, few players are comfortable staying with teams that do not want them. And the Red Sox keep looking for more help.

 

While the Sox currently would open the season with Kotchman and Youkilis at the infield corners, they still could sign free-agent third baseman Adrian Beltre or trade for Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez.

 

Both moves – the Gonzalez one, in particular – are unlikely. But what are the odds that the Sox want to keep Lowell as a $12 million bench player? He probably will be no more than that in 2010 due to his hip problem and possibly his thumb issue as well.

 

Releasing Lowell would be too extreme; he is popular in Boston and still productive offensively, particularly at Fenway Park. But the Sox eventually will complete the kind of deal they tried to make with the Rangers, paying most of Lowell's salary to make him disappear.

 

The Rangers could even revive their interest in spring training if Lowell shows he is healthy.

 

Basically, this is Julio Lugo all over again – the Sox assumed nearly all of the $13 million remaining on Lugo's contract when they traded him to the Cardinals for outfielder Chris Duncan last July.

 

The difference is, Lowell thrived in Boston and Lugo did not. The Red Sox signed Lowell to his current deal after he drove in 120 runs for their World Series championship club in 2007. Lowell's hip surgery after the '08 season obviously changed the team's perspective. But this has gone on for too long.

 

At some point, for the sake of both parties, the Red Sox need to trade Mike Lowell.

[Dipre]

Obvious Ken Rosenthal is obvious.

[bsox0407]

So... why didn't he have surgery when the season ended 6 weeks ago?

 

Um he kinda found out the other day i believe.

[SoxSport]

Well, they did try to trade him. And now he's untradable until he gets his thumb fixed. The question is what should they do until he gets his thumb fixed. Beltre won't last to ST. AdGon probably will, but he might not be available. They can do nothing until ST, and see where Lowell fits. They have Kotchman as an option. They also can have Bay, apparently, which would free up Ellsbury in a trade for AdGon. That would get Boras completely, if so desired, out of their hair. The wheel of fortune is spinning....

[BSN07]

Well' date=' they did try to trade him. And now he's untradable until he gets his thumb fixed. The question is what should they do until he gets his thumb fixed. Beltre won't last to ST. AdGon probably will, but he might not be available. They can do nothing until ST, and see where Lowell fits. They have Kotchman as an option. They also can have Bay, apparently, which would free up Ellsbury in a trade for AdGon. That would get Boras completely, if so desired, out of their hair. The wheel of fortune is spinning....[/quote']

 

They don't need to do anything right now. With the SP and defense they should be able to be right in the thick of things.

[a700hitter]

They don't need to do anything right now. With the SP and defense they should be able to be right in the thick of things.

Very substantive and original.

[BSN07]

Very substantive and original.

 

Common knowledge typically is.

[a700hitter]

Common knowledge typically is.

It's the only kind of knowledge that you exhibit.

[BSN07]

It's the only kind of knowledge that you exhibit.

 

Yes, because everyone here knows I'm a mainstream thinker...

[bsox0407]

Well' date=' they did try to trade him. And now he's untradable until he gets his thumb fixed. The question is what should they do until he gets his thumb fixed. Beltre won't last to ST. AdGon probably will, but he might not be available. They can do nothing until ST, and see where Lowell fits. They have Kotchman as an option. They also can have Bay, apparently, which would free up Ellsbury in a trade for AdGon. That would get Boras completely, if so desired, out of their hair. The wheel of fortune is spinning....[/quote']

 

The real question is whether or not you want a 37 year old player in Center or a 26 year old player.

[a700hitter]

Yes' date=' because everyone here knows I'm a mainstream thinker...[/quote']I wouldn't think anyone thinks that you are any kind of thinker. BTW I'm moving on now.

[Dipre]

The real question is whether or not you want a 37 year old player in Center or a 26 year old player.

 

The real question is whether i want the superior defensive player in center. The answer is yes. Therefore, i want Cameron patrolling CF.

[bsox0407]

The real question is whether i want the superior defensive player in center. The answer is yes. Therefore' date=' i want Cameron patrolling CF.[/quote']

 

But trading a younger player that will take the reigns of CF after Cameron is gone.

[BSN07]

I wouldn't think anyone thinks that you are any kind of thinker. BTW I'm moving on now.

 

Typical a700 "drive by style"...

[Dipre]

But trading a younger player that will take the reigns of CF after Cameron is gone.

 

Ryan Kalish, Ryan Westmoreland, Josh Reddick.

[bsox0407]

Ryan Kalish' date=' Ryan Westmoreland, Josh Reddick.[/quote']

 

Very true i wasn't looking that far into the future.

[Dipre]

Very true i wasn't looking that far into the future.

 

One of those three will pan out.

[bsox0407]

One of those three will pan out.

 

one of which will pan out and at least one will be traded in the Gonzo deal if that goes through.

[Dipre]

one of which will pan out and at least one will be traded in the Gonzo deal if that goes through.

 

Ryan Kalish' date=' Ryan Westmoreland, Josh Reddick.[/i']

 

If Ellsbury goes in the package, probably none of them go with him.