Mike Lowell traded to Texas, Max Ramirez to Boston (Deal is off)

[BSN07]

Doesnt anyone remember that when the Sox first acquired Lowell' date=' there was same resentment that is being shown to Beltre?[/quote']

 

Exactly. And it's only been mentioned about a hundred times. But some of the "knuckle draggers" can't seem to comprehend it.

[diony]

Doesnt anyone remember that when the Sox first acquired Lowell' date=' there was same resentment that is being shown to Beltre?[/quote']

 

Yes. But it was a completely different situation.

[BSN07]

Yes. But it was a completely different situation.

 

What? Because Lowell was part of a trade and not a FA? That's about the only difference.

[riverside sluggers]

Lowell in his last season with the Marlins put up 8 HRs, 58 RBIs in 150 games (.236 avg) (.298 obp) (.360 slg) (.658 ops)

 

Aside from his contract year in 2007 (.378 obp), his other 3 years he has put up obp's of .339, .338, and .337

[diony]

What? Because Lowell was part of a trade and not a FA? That's about the only difference.

 

Because back then they had no third baseman and no intention to resign Mueller. Now they have Lowell that is going to make $12 million next year.

[riverside sluggers]

What? Because Lowell was part of a trade and not a FA? That's about the only difference.

 

Lowell was coming off an injury marred season... and wait so is Beltre who dealt with an injury to his nuts this past season

[SoxSport]

I can envision a couple of scenarios here.

 

One is Lowell moves to 1B and DHs part-time, Youks moving to 3B. That's if Lowell's thumb fully heals by ST so he can hit and gets some time at 1B before the season. I don't agree with Tito that Lowell can't play 1B. 3rd baseman can usually make the switch--look at Youks and Cabrera. After all, they are infielders, and 1B is easier. Asking an outfielder to play 1B is a different proposition--more difficult. I've moved around the infield myself in my younger days, so I have a feel for this sort of thing.

 

The other scenario has the Red Sox releasing or dealing Lowell by the end of ST, depending on whether his thumb has healed and he is hitting. If he isn't , I think they'll release him or put him on the DL.

 

Mike is a competitor and a pro, and I think he'll do whatever is needed to finish out his contract.

[Dipre]

Because back then they had no third baseman. Now they have one that is going to make $12 million next year.

 

... But can't play defense. If the FO considered dumping his contract to get Beltre, then it means he's done on defense.

[Dipre]

I can envision a couple of scenarios here.

 

One is Lowell moves to 1B and DHs part-time, Youks moving to 3B. That's if Lowell's thumb fully heals by ST so he can hit and gets some time at 1B before the season. I don't agree with Tito that Lowell can't play 1B. 3rd baseman can usually make the switch--look at Youks and Cabrera. After all, they are infielders, and 1B is easier. Asking an outfielder to play 1B is a different proposition--more difficult. I've moved around the infield myself in my younger days, so I have a feel for this sort of thing.

 

The other scenario has the Red Sox releasing or dealing Lowell by the end of ST, depending on whether his thumb has healed and he is hitting. If he isn't , I think they'll release him or put him on the DL.

 

Mike is a competitor and a pro, and I think he'll do whatever is needed to finish out his contract.

 

When did Tito ever say that Lowell couldn't play 1B?

[bsox0407]

When did Tito ever say that Lowell couldn't play 1B?

 

THe FO said that in Spring Training they would give Lowell work at 1B.

[Dipre]

THe FO said that in Spring Training they would give Lowell work at 1B.

 

Read his post and then mine again. Slowly.

[BSN07]

Guys, Lowell should be 100% by ST. It's a 6-8 week recovery period, and it's December. Stop using "Gom" time frames.

[bsox0407]

Read his post and then mine again. Slowly.

 

Oh wow i misread both, My Bad.

[Dipre]

Guys' date=' Lowell should be 100% by ST. It's a 6-8 week recovery period, and it's December. Stop using "Gom" time frames.[/quote']

 

Yeah but the problem with this is the following.

 

1) The FO doesn't view Lowell as an option at 3B anymore. This is fact.

 

2) The FO does not want to take the risk of running Lowell out there at first when he has never played the position in the ML. I simply don't think the FO wants to put their eggs in Lowell's basket, and since they know the players better than we do, and they were willing to fork over 9 million in cash to send him to Texas, there's obviously something we, as fans, can't see.

[Dipre]

Oh wow i misread both' date=' My Bad.[/quote']

 

[bsox0407]

 

I thought you had said When did Tito say that Lowell would play 1B in the ST

[example1]

Lowell needs to go. Pay his salary, ship him to someone who wants a free player. I don't want to spend the entire rest of the offseason debating whether Lowell can still play 3B or if he can move to 1B, people read ulterior motives into the FO's choices, etc.,

 

He's not useful for this club as long as Ortiz is the DH and there's no use in having a disgruntled Lowell around.

[a700hitter]

Doesnt anyone remember that when the Sox first acquired Lowell' date=' there was same resentment that is being shown to Beltre?[/quote']I liked Lowell being included in the trade. We had no third baseman. I knew he was a really good fielder, and his $8 million salary was not going to break the bank. Peole were screaming that he was over the hill at age 32--- that his bat was slow, etc. without seeing him play. What I saw at Spring Training was a guy who was crushing the fastball, but he was having trouble recognizing the off-speed pitch. By the time I left Florida, he was doing a better job with the off speed stuff. I reported this in the Spring Training thread. Off course, my report was met with people telling me that Spring Training was irrelevant and small sample size etc. My eyes told me that at 32 he had not lost bat speed. So, don't include me in this group of yours. With Lowell not being traded, I see no need for Beltre. I'd rather get Holliday or Bay.

[BSN07]

I thought you had said When did Tito say that Lowell would play 1B in the ST

 

It's all good man. I have more respect for a poster who can admit to a "doh" rather then spend 20 minutes trying to cover it up

[bsox0407]

It's all good man. I have more respect for a poster who can admit to a "doh" rather then spend 20 minutes trying to cover it up

 

I never said that. YOur making s*** up!!!! :lol:

[Dipre]

I liked Lowell being included in the trade. We had no third baseman. I knew he was a really good fielder' date=' and his $8 million salary was not going to break the bank. Peole were screaming that he was over the hill at age 32--- that his bat was slow, etc. without seeing him play. What I saw at Spring Training was a guy who was crushing the fastball, but he was having trouble recognizing the off-speed pitch. By the time I left Florida, he was doing a better job with the off speed stuff. I reported this in the Spring Training thread. Off course, my report was met with people telling me that Spring Training was irrelevant and small sample size etc. My eyes told me that at 32 he had not lost bat speed. So, don't include me in this group of yours. With Lowell not being traded, I see no need for Beltre. I'd rather get Holliday or Bay.[/quote']

 

So you want a 3B who can't play defense?

 

I'm pretty sure your eyes told you that last year.

[a700hitter]

So you want a 3B who can't play defense?

 

I'm pretty sure your eyes told you that last year.

It doesn't seem like their is any opportunity to get rid of Lowell. The recovery from his surgery is going to take him almost to Spring Training. I don't think they will DFA him and eat his entire salary. I think the Sox are stuck with him. Maybe his hip has healed more and he will have regained some range. Towards the end of last season, he was moving better than he had all season long. What was his fielding range like in August and September?

[Dipre]

It doesn't seem like their is any opportunity to get rid of Lowell. The recovery from his surgery is going to take him almost to Spring Training. I don't think they will DFA him and eat his entire salary. I think the Sox are stuck with him. Maybe his hip has healed more and he will have regained some range. Towards the end of last season' date=' he was moving better than he had all season long. What was his fielding range like in August and September?[/quote']

 

I saw a slightly improved statue, but i don't go to the games, so my opinion will likely be discounted.

[a700hitter]

I saw a slightly improved statue' date=' but i don't go to the games, so my opinion will likely be discounted.[/quote']I never discount anyone's opinions, because they don't go to the gamezz, but when I interject something that I have personally observed, it is routinely shot down as having no merit. I think that is the way things go on the forum. Those of us who go to the games don't discount the validity of most stats, but we don't let stats dictate a conclusion when we have observed something different. The game watchers respect stats. The stat guys have no respect for those who observe the game. As I have pointed out, teams have live advance scouts for a reason. It would be much more cost effective if they could rely solely on stats.

[Dipre]

I never discount anyone's opinions' date=' because they don't go to the gamezz, but when I interject something that I have personally observed, it is routinely shot down as having no merit. I think that is the way things go on the forum. Those of us who go to the games don't discount the validity of most stats, but we don't let stats dictate a conclusion when we have observed something different. The game watchers respect stats. The stat guys have no respect for those who observe the game. As I have pointed out, teams have live advance scouts for a reason. It would be much more cost effective if they could rely solely on stats.[/quote']

 

I think that if the FO is so desperate to dump Lowell, then they simply don't view him as a capable 3B anymore. And i'm pretty sure they know more than we do, because there's a ton of information that we, as fans, don't have access to. From my POV though, he's done as a 3B.

[Palodios]

Worst Case Scenario-- What scares you more?

 

Lowell at 3rd

Ortiz at 1st.

[Gom]

I never discount anyone's opinions' date=' because they don't go to the gamezz, but when I interject something that I have personally observed, it is routinely shot down as having no merit. I think that is the way things go on the forum. Those of us who go to the games don't discount the validity of most stats, but we don't let stats dictate a conclusion when we have observed something different. The game watchers respect stats. The stat guys have no respect for those who observe the game. As I have pointed out, teams have live advance scouts for a reason. It would be much more cost effective if they could rely solely on stats.[/quote']

 

This is because stat-heads don't understand what they see. You can see a lot on TV. You can see different things at the stadium. Stat heads [at least here], don't understand statistical variation either. In fact, the best stat-heads here are the ones who also watch the gamezzzz. Let me rephrase that..the stat heads watch the gamezzz...you and I, and believe it or not, Dipre as well from my conversations with him when he's not drunk, analyze the games.

 

Like you said...for a couple of game watchers, we sure do ok in the fantasy league here. You want to know who doesn't do that well? The so-called stat watchers. Really strange, isn't it. You'd figure we'd be terrible at fantasy baseball, huh?

[a700hitter]

I saw a slightly improved statue' date=' but i don't go to the games, so my opinion will likely be discounted.[/quote']You think they will eat his salary and DFA him?

[TheMino007]

With an offseason of rest and the hip improving, I think Lowell won't be as bad as he was last year.

[Dipre]

You think they will eat his salary and DFA him?

 

He'll be traded. If he can play, someone on the AL will bite on his offense.

 

With an offseason of rest and the hip improving' date=' I think Lowell won't be as bad as he was last year.[/quote']

 

The "hip improving" thing is pure speculation. With a hip injury as serious as that, and with Lowell's age, what you saw at the end of last year is what you get, honestly.