Tigers wanted either Ellsbury or Buchholz for Granderson

[Dipre]

That's fair.

 

The point is, it was a fantastic move for the Yankees, Granderson is a perfect fit for that stadium, he actually saves them money, and constitutes a "Youth and health" upgrade, while not giving away a major piece of their ML club.

 

For the Sox it wouldn't be a perfect fit for the stadium, would have cost them money that could go elsewhere, Ellsbury is younger, and a major piece of the Major League club.

[Emmz]

Yeah, in this case, there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for the Red Sox to want to pull a trigger on a deal like this. However, yeah, for the Yanks, it was a no-brainer. They basically every reason in the world to go for Granderson.

[yankees228]

The point is, it was a fantastic move for the Yankees, Granderson is a perfect fit for that stadium, he actually saves them money, and constitutes a "Youth and health" upgrade, while not giving away a major piece of their ML club.

 

For the Sox it wouldn't be a perfect fit for the stadium, would have cost them money that could go elsewhere, Ellsbury is younger, and a major piece of the Major League club.

 

Yeah, I agree. I have a better understanding about where you're coming from now.

[redsoxrules]

What if they wanted to trade for Halladay and sign Bay/Holliday?

 

No budget restraints?

 

Looking forward is important.

 

they could easily do both this off season if wanted to

[Dipre]

they could easily do both this off season if wanted to

 

You think they could've signed Beltre (they're looking at him), Holliday/Bay, get a starter (Be it Halladay or whoever), dump Lowell or exchange his contract and get a couple relievers while taking on Granderson's salary?

 

Besides that, who leads off?

[redsoxrules]

You think they could've signed Beltre (they're looking at him), Holliday/Bay, get a starter (Be it Halladay or whoever), dump Lowell or exchange his contract and get a couple relievers while taking on Granderson's salary?

 

Besides that, who leads off?

 

I'm not talking about Beltre or granderson

 

 

 

Bay/Holliday and get Halladay . it can be done and I would very happy

[Gom]

Dipre...

 

Make the trade for Lowell. Let's see your hypothetical. You keep saying trade him, so let's hear it.

[BSN07]

Dipre...

 

Make the trade for Lowell. Let's see your hypothetical. You keep saying trade him, so let's hear it.

 

Just look for a team with a need @ 3B and a similar contract to send back.

[Gom]

Just look for a team with a need @ 3B and a similar contract to send back.

 

Ok...do it.

[Dipre]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the Sox can either exchange Lowell's contract for another bad one, or eat part of the salary and trade him (for a sack of balls) to a team that needs a 3B (Minnesota comes to mind). Then again, look who's asking the question.

[Dipre]

I'm not talking about Beltre or granderson

 

 

 

Bay/Holliday and get Halladay . it can be done and I would very happy

 

In that scenario, yes, it is absolutely plausible.

[Emmz]

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that the Sox can either exchange Lowell's contract for another bad one' date=' or eat part of the salary and trade him (for a sack of balls) to a team that needs a 3B (Minnesota comes to mind). Then again, look who's asking the question.[/quote']

 

Fixed.

[Dipre]

Dipre...

 

Make the trade for Lowell. Let's see your hypothetical. You keep saying trade him, so let's hear it.

 

Ok...do it.

 

Texas Rangers interested in Mike Lowell.

 

Posted by Whiskeybreath in another thread. The interest from other teams (Texas in this case) in Mike Lowell is real.

 

Gom crashes and burns again.

[BSN07]

Minnesota could trade Young. He has been mentioned as being available. It's probably not a straight up trade though.

 

St. Louis needs a 3B, don't really have a contract to send back though.

 

Seattle needs 3B, Bill Hall could be a candidate. He probably could manage the utility role.

 

LAA is probably the least likely

 

Detroit could send Back Magglio

 

Baltimore needs a 3B, but don't have contract to send back

 

Cleveland has Marte right now.. meh.. Westbrook has a similar deal left, he might be an interesting option for the #5 spot if healthy. Peralta has a decent size contract. May not be the best fit.

 

I'm not saying it would be easy to move him. Just not impossible. Last report was there was at least 3 teams interested.

[TheMino007]

Hmmm.... the Sox haven't traded for a power hitting 1stbaseman yet nor have the signed a 3rdbaseman yet... so forgive the question, why the hell would they trade Lowell? I hope to Christ the Sox have some sort of plan at the corner infield positions before they go and dump Lowell and eat half his salary for no reason

[Dipre]

Hmmm.... the Sox haven't traded for a power hitting 1stbaseman yet nor have the signed a 3rdbaseman yet... so forgive the question' date=' why the hell would they trade Lowell? I hope to Christ the Sox have some sort of plan at the corner infield positions before they go and dump Lowell and eat half his salary for no reason[/quote']

 

This has been mentioned numerous times, but Theo wants to sign Adrian Beltre. If you don't know "Why the hell" they want to unload him, think about it for a second, and you'll come to the conclusion that last year's club was horrible defensively, and Lowell had a lot to do with that.

[TheMino007]

Well he better go do it before unloading Lowell....

[Dipre]

Well he better go do it before unloading Lowell....

 

He certainly has options.

[SoxSport]

Sounds like something that was manufactured by the NY media. Makes the Yankee deal look better and the Red Sox look bad.

 

Fact is, Austin Jackson was NY's best AAA player, and may have more upside than Granderson. Saw him play last year a couple games in Scranton.

 

Granderson is being portrayed in the media as the next coming of Mickey Mantle. He's a good defense/low on-base guy who can't hit LHP. He'll hit better in Yankee stadium, as most any LHd hitter does, so it's a sensible deal for NY. But MLB.com just can't get off talking about the Yankees getting Granderson. Makes you wonder why the Tigers got rid of him.

[Dipre]

Sounds like something that was manufactured by the NY media. Makes the Yankee deal look better and the Red Sox look bad.

 

Fact is, Austin Jackson was NY's best AAA player, and may have more upside than Granderson. Saw him play last year a couple games in Scranton.

 

Granderson is being portrayed in the media as the next coming of Mickey Mantle. He's a good defense/low on-base guy who can't hit LHP. He'll hit better in Yankee stadium, as most any LHd hitter does, so it's a sensible deal for NY. But MLB.com just can't get off talking about the Yankees getting Granderson. Makes you wonder why the Tigers got rid of him.

 

 

Nice underhand shot, man.

[mvp 78]

granderson's defense started sucking at the end of last year. if the yanks put him in lf, it could help a bit (considering the square footage he'd have to cover).

 

overall, it's a good deal for the yankees, but i wouldn't have parted with ellsbury for him (age, $). Buchholz should only be traded if the sox are getting a sp in return.

[SCM33]

This has been mentioned numerous times' date=' but Theo wants to sign Adrian Beltre. If you don't know "Why the hell" they want to unload him, think about it for a second, and you'll come to the conclusion that last year's club was horrible defensively, and Lowell had a lot to do with that.[/quote']

 

Lowell didnt have as much to do with it as you think. Good defensive teams are built with a strong defense up the middle. They were extremely poor at Catcher and SS for most the season. CF was a little weaker than average as well. 2B was strong. 3 outta the 4 positions up the middle were below average. We had pretty good defense at the corners with RF and 1B. LF was below average and 3B was below average.

 

We were weak up the middle. Good defensive teams are not weak up the middle.

[yankees228]

Sounds like something that was manufactured by the NY media. Makes the Yankee deal look better and the Red Sox look bad.

 

Fact is, Austin Jackson was NY's best AAA player, and may have more upside than Granderson. Saw him play last year a couple games in Scranton.

 

Granderson is being portrayed in the media as the next coming of Mickey Mantle. He's a good defense/low on-base guy who can't hit LHP. He'll hit better in Yankee stadium, as most any LHd hitter does, so it's a sensible deal for NY. But MLB.com just can't get off talking about the Yankees getting Granderson. Makes you wonder why the Tigers got rid of him.

 

I must have missed all those articles.

 

Anyway, I posted this in another thread, but maybe you would be interested in an article from a slightly better source than mlb.com...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-big-trade/

[JimEdHOF2009]

Granderson and his .320 OBP are not worth Buchholz OR Ellsbury... I am glad Theo didn't bite there.. Also...though he will have a short porch at Yankee Stadium to shoot for..he wouldn't have been nearly as valuable to the Red Sox playing in a poor lefty-pull field like Fenway.. Granderson is a DEAD pull hitter..he would SUCK at Fenway as his lifetime .255 BA and equally horrific .296 OBP can attest to.

[TheMino007]

The Sox didn't need Granderson, the Yankees did. The teams do have different needs.

[TedWilliams101]

To be honest, if we could have a platoon plan for Granderson (like Cameron) I'd probably trade Ellsbury straight up for him.

Granderson vs RHP: .292, .367, .528, .894. His vastly superior power makes up for his lack of speed (compared to Ellsbury.

 

The biggest difference is that Granderson has been much better in CF. He has averaged a 4.9 UZR/150 in CF in his career and he averages a 3-4 WAR (Ellsbury is about a 2 WAR).

 

The obvious downside is that he hasn't look as good in CF the last 2 years and that Fenway is notoriously hard for LH hitters. I'm certainly not disappointed the Sox didn't trade for him, but it certainly would have made some sense.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think we are gonna use him as a platoon man though. He might benefit from being sandwiched between Jeter and Tex, probably see a lot more fastballs and probably have better numbers. Its a lot easier to be pitched to when you have to deal with Polanco than if you have to deal with Tex.

[TheMino007]

Plus Granderson is a dead pull hitter, so his HR will be inflated by playing Yankee Stadium next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think 2009 was more of an aberration for Granderson. I could see him getting back to his .850OPS with 30 doubles, 10+ triples, and 25+ homers while also stealing 20+ bases. Regardless, he's gonna be a pest.

[Spudboy]

Good.

 

Yankees fans are happy. My heart is full of joy.

 

I'm Glad Ellsbury is still in Boston.