Report: Tigers close to dealing Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees in a 3 way deal

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Olney now says this deal is close. Sherman says medical records are being exchanged on Granderson. In another tweet Sherman says there's no deadline on the deal, but one source says it's "on the goal line." He adds that removing Dunn from the deal was key for the Yanks.

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Heyman says the deal is a go pending on medicals

Wow.

 

Who are we sending? Kennedy to Arizona (thank god), and one of either Coke or Dunn to Detroit along with Austin Jackson? I'm not sure I like this very much if all we're getting in return is Granderson. I hope there's at least a prospect or 2 coming our way.

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Olney now says this deal is close. Sherman says medical records are being exchanged on Granderson. In another tweet Sherman says there's no deadline on the deal, but one source says it's "on the goal line." He adds that removing Dunn from the deal was key for the Yanks.

 

So I guess that means Kennedy, Coke, Jackson for Granderson and ?

 

I'm shaking my head.

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Granderson is an over rated player IMO. Although playing in Coors East will give him the oppurtunity to put up monster numbers.

 

I also agree to an extent with Dipre. Granderson is probably better off in LF with Melky/Gardner in CF. His bat will be no worse then Damons was in LF.

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Heyman says the deal is:

 

NYY gets Granderson

ARI gets Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

DET gets Scherzer, Coke, Austin Jackson, Schlereth

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Ok, dipshit...according to Range factor, who had better range, the last two years?

 

Cabrera. So...the question again:

 

Basically, either you're an idiot who doesn't understand the game, and whose opinions on scouting are completely wrong and off-base, and your personal analysis is dogshit and should be completely ignored from here on, or the formula is ineffective and not accurate enough within the realm of acceptable error, and should be, at best, taken with a grain of salt...if that.

 

Pick a side, lawyer boy. This should be good.

 

Range factor had Granderson at a slightly higher RF/G than Cabrera last year and in 2008:

 

Cabrera: 08: 2.4, 09: 2.2

 

Granderson: 08: 2.7, 09: 2.5

 

This brings me to the following conclusions:

 

A) You can't even read.

 

B ) I'm absolutely right in all accounts.

 

C) You try to mask your lack of baseball knowledge behind a slew of childish insults, and it's quite humorous.

 

D) You can't read the stats, you can't understand them, therefore you bash them.

 

E) You just crashed and burned again.

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So I guess that means Kennedy, Coke, Jackson for Granderson and ?

 

I'm shaking my head.

 

I would guess that's the deal. Maybe a lower level player has been substituted for one of Coke/Dunn.

 

I'm really surprised they are trading Jackson before even seeing what he might be able to do in the Bigs.

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So I guess that means Kennedy, Coke, Jackson for Granderson and ?

 

I'm shaking my head.

According to Kepner this is the breakdown:

 

Arizona gets:

Jackson (Det)

Kennedy (NYY)

 

Detroit gets:

Jackson (NYY)

Coke (NYY)

Scherzer (Ari)

Schlereth (Ari)

 

Yankees get:

Granderson

 

 

:wtf:

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I really dislike this deal for Arizona. Maybe I'm overreacting on Jackson but I don't think he's a front of the rotation (1 or 2) starter. Scherzer and Schlereth seems like too much.

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At best, Jackson would turn into Granderson. Coke is a spare part. So is Kennedy.

 

The Yankees improve their defense significantly with Granderson over Damon, and get overall similar production, if not more. They get younger and more athletic, and cut money off of payroll.

 

Dipre, I was looking at RngR. Fine, I'll buy RF/G. That's fine with me, since I saw Tex had good numbers there. UZR is completely useless though. Last I looked...that's what you quoted, right?

 

Granderson had a 1.6 UZR/150 last year' date=' Melky had a 2.3 UZR/150 last year. You are incorrect. In 2008 Melky Cabrera was also superior to Granderson UZR wise : Granderson had a -9.4 UZR/150, Cabrera had an 0.8 UZR/150. This is why you need to check [b']before[/b] you make the comment.

 

Bingo.

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I would guess that's the deal. Maybe a lower level player has been substituted for one of Coke/Dunn.

 

I'm really surprised they are trading Jackson before even seeing what he might be able to do in the Bigs.

Me too. Watch him turn out to be the next Willie Mays in Detroit.

 

f***!

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At best, Jackson would turn into Granderson. Coke is a spare part. So is Kennedy.

 

The Yankees improve their defense significantly with Granderson over Damon, and get overall similar production, if not more. They get younger and more athletic, and cut money off of payroll.

Whats Granderson's 2010 salary? What's the rest of his contract look like?

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Heyman says the deal is:

 

NYY gets Granderson

ARI gets Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

DET gets Scherzer, Coke, Austin Jackson, Schlereth

 

This is a solid deal for AZ IMO. Jackson has some ?, but pitching in the NL West can't be bad for him. This deal is probably best of Ian Kennedy. He desperately needed to go to the NL to have a chance at pitching full time.

 

Detroit seems to be getting a decent package back as well.

 

The Yanks, well it's a nice move. But this seems more like one of their "Shiny new toy" acquisitions. But Granderson is a solid replacement for Damon IMO.

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I really dislike this deal for Arizona. Maybe I'm overreacting on Jackson but I don't think he's a front of the rotation (1 or 2) starter. Scherzer and Schlereth seems like too much.

 

You're not overreacting.

 

Jackson's a prime target to regress big time next year. Kudos to the Yanks for avoiding that disaster and still getting Granderson.

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Whats Granderson's 2010 salary? What's the rest of his contract look like?

 

2010: 5.5

2011: 8.25

2012: 10

2013: 13 (club option)

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I really dislike this deal for Arizona. Maybe I'm overreacting on Jackson but I don't think he's a front of the rotation (1 or 2) starter. Scherzer and Schlereth seems like too much.

 

He doesn't need to be. If Webb is healthy he will be the #3. This was probably their best way of getting a SP since they don't have the money to bring in FA's. Kennedy could very well end up being a nice #5 for them too.

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You're not overreacting.

 

Jackson's a prime target to regress big time next year. Kudos to the Yanks for avoiding that disaster and still getting Granderson.

 

He was probably due a regression. I would wager moving to the NL West might stem that flow to some degree though.

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Deal is official now, pending physicals.

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He doesn't need to be. If Webb is healthy he will be the #3. This was probably their best way of getting a SP since they don't have the money to bring in FA's. Kennedy could very well end up being a nice #5 for them too.

 

I honestly would take Scherzer over Jackson, straight up.

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He was probably due a regression. I would wager moving to the NL West might stem that flow to some degree though.

 

4.28 FIP, .281 BABIP scream fluke so loud it can be heard all the way in Australia.

 

Also, food for thought, Jackson had a reverse split last year contrary to his career norm. Expect the ERA to jump to 4 so quickly (Even the NL West) even Ellsbury won't be able to catch up with it.

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I honestly would take Scherzer over Jackson' date=' straight up.[/quote']

 

I might very well too. But I can see AZ thinking this could really solidify their starting rotation. And it's a decent fall back plan if Webb is slow to recover.

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4.28 FIP, .281 BABIP scream fluke so loud it can be heard all the way in Australia.

 

Also, food for thought, Jackson had a reverse split last year contrary to his career norm. Expect the ERA to jump to 4 so quickly (Even the NL West) even Ellsbury won't be able to catch up with it.

 

I know what your saying. But is a 4 ERA that bad for a #3?

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I know what your saying. But is a 4 ERA that bad for a #3?

 

It depends on if it's 4.20 or 4.70. I'm expecting the latter.

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It depends on if it's 4.20 or 4.70. I'm expecting the latter.

 

Fair enough.

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Did anyone notice the most important part of the trade? Stink's son got traded!

[Gom]

Dipre, you didn't answer my question....

 

At best, Jackson would turn into Granderson. Coke is a spare part. So is Kennedy.

 

The Yankees improve their defense significantly with Granderson over Damon, and get overall similar production, if not more. They get younger and more athletic, and cut money off of payroll.

 

Dipre, I was looking at RngR. Fine, I'll buy RF/G. That's fine with me, since I saw Tex had good numbers there. UZR is completely useless though. Last I looked...that's what you quoted, right?

 

Bingo.

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2010: 5.5

2011: 8.25

2012: 10

2013: 13 (club option)

The more I think about it, the less I dislike it. It's not such a bad deal, and hopefully Granderson works out.

 

idk what Arizona was thinking though.

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Dipre' date=' you didn't answer my question....[/quote']

 

So you admit liking the stat only because quote " Tex had good numbers"?

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Dipre' date=' you didn't answer my question....[/quote']

 

I use them in conjuction.

 

The point is, UZR is not very good for First Basemen. However, it is very accurate when used in conjunction with RF/G to rate OF'ers. You can try it if you like.

Check out some OF's who you know have good range but are not very good fielders like Juan Pierre (CF era).

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I use them in conjuction.

 

The point is, UZR is not very good for First Basemen. However, it is very accurate when used in conjunction with RF/G to rate OF'ers. You can try it if you like.

Check out some OF's who you know have good range but are not very good fielders like Juan Pierre (CF era).

I looked up the Yankees. UZR was basically useless for my team. It was no more accurate than a flip of the coin would have been. I will look into RF/G, because that seemed to jive with my opinions of the players.

 

So you're saying the stat is only good for OFers? LOL!

 

"Hey guys...I developed this cool formula for valuing defense!"

 

"Great! What is it? How does it work?"

 

"Well..it's only good for OFers..and it doesn't work that well on it's own, you have to use it with RF/G..and it shows incredible variance from year to year! It's still a formula though!"

 

"Yay...send it to Dipre!"

 

End of story.

 

Yankees get Granderson. Good deal for the Yankees.