Related note to W.S. celebration

[jacksonianmarch]

The Red Sox didnt buy 2004 or 2007? Now the second and third highest payrolled WS champs of all time. And, prior to 2004, the sox added Schilling for a pittance and prior to 2007, the sox signed Lugo, Drew, and DiceK. Don't fool yourself. The only teams in recent memory that didnt "buy" their way to a WS are the Angels of 2002, the Marlins of 2003, and the Cardinals of 2006 to some extent.

[Dipre]

The Red Sox didnt buy 2004 or 2007? Now the second and third highest payrolled WS champs of all time. And' date=' prior to 2004, the sox added Schilling for a pittance and prior to 2007, the sox signed Lugo, Drew, and DiceK. Don't fool yourself. The only teams in recent memory that didnt "buy" their way to a WS are the Angels of 2002, the Marlins of 2003, and the Cardinals of 2006 to some extent.[/quote']

 

Allow me to digress.

 

I just don't think you can compare the Sox and Yanks.

 

That is all.

[Lester82]

I think it's cool the Yankees went 9 years and 2 billion dollars between championships

[Divinity]

They have 375 million in revenue after all costs, money is simply just a number to them, they could pay for a 2nd top dollar team if they so desired. But as you can see money alone can't buy championships.

 

How much did the Sox spend in there 86 year drought?

[Dipre]

They have 375 million in revenue after all costs, money is simply just a number to them, they could pay for a 2nd top dollar team if they so desired. But as you can see money alone can't buy championships.

 

How much did the Sox spend in there 86 year drought?

 

Less than 2 billion dollars probably.

[Gom]

Allow me to digress.

 

I just don't think you can compare the Sox and Yanks.

 

That is all.

 

This is not only your problem, but the rest of RSN as well. You can't see that to the Twins, Brewers, Orioles, Braves, etc....we're both evil, we both buy championships, we both have unfair advantages.

 

Look at last year. You lost to Tampa [oh, that was f***ing great, by the way]...did you realize that the difference between your payrolls was more than double their payroll?

 

You don't think they would be bitching? That would be relatively equivalent to us having a $450 million payroll.

 

You won't find a Yankee fan here who doesn't acknowledge the advantage we have. The sad thing is, we outnumber the Red Sox fans here who acknowledge the same thing. Last I checked, there were a few more Red Sox fans here than Yankee fans.

[Lester82]

Yep. 2 billion between championships. Cashman is like a member of Congress, he spends till he eventually gets something done.

[Dipre]

This is not only your problem, but the rest of RSN as well. You can't see that to the Twins, Brewers, Orioles, Braves, etc....we're both evil, we both buy championships, we both have unfair advantages.

 

Look at last year. You lost to Tampa [oh, that was f***ing great, by the way]...did you realize that the difference between your payrolls was more than double their payroll?

 

You don't think they would be bitching? That would be relatively equivalent to us having a $450 million payroll.

 

You won't find a Yankee fan here who doesn't acknowledge the advantage we have. The sad thing is, we outnumber the Red Sox fans here who acknowledge the same thing. Last I checked, there were a few more Red Sox fans here than Yankee fans.

 

Sure other teams will say the Sox, Mets, and Cubs maybe have an unfair advantage due to payroll. And it's a valid gripe.

 

However, the only team we can all agree as to having unlimited resources and being impossible to beat when they really covet a FA is not the Sox, Mets or Cubs. It's the Yankees.

[Gom]

Sure other teams will say the Sox, Mets, and Cubs maybe have an unfair advantage due to payroll. And it's a valid gripe.

 

However, the only team we can all agree as to having unlimited resources and being impossible to beat when they really covet a FA is not the Sox, Mets or Cubs. It's the Yankees.

 

For the most part, I agree. I don't think the Yankees print money like you guys do, but if they want to get a player, they are nearly impossible to beat.

 

I think if Dipre and I agree on something, it's pretty much time to close the thread.

[Tyler Durden]

Red Sox fans complaining about payrolls.. it's hilarious

 

You gave more money to some Japanese team to TALK to Dice-K than 3 teams entire 2009 payroll.

[RedSox2737]

p.s. a fedora is the kind of hat indiana jones wears....the hat on gay-rod is a .........a.......some sort of gay hat......he wore it to a knicks game and was photo-ed with jay z,,,,,who wore a yankee hat

[BoSox21]

Red Sox fans complaining about payrolls.. it's hilarious

 

You gave more money to some Japanese team to TALK to Dice-K than 3 teams entire 2009 payroll.

 

I challenge any Yankee fan anywhere to counter a Red Sox fan's argument of "the Yankees' spending is too insane" without mentioning Dice-K and the blind bidding process

[Gom]

I challenge any Yankee fan anywhere to counter a Red Sox fan's argument of "the Yankees' spending is too insane" without mentioning Dice-K and the blind bidding process

 

I challenge any Red Sox fan to claim that any Yankee victory in the last 100 year wasn't bought.

 

I love it. This championship has turned Red Sox Nation back to what it's always been. A bunch of whining, crying babies. With few exceptions, that's what they are.

[BoSox21]

I challenge any Red Sox fan to claim that any Yankee victory in the last 100 year wasn't bought.

 

I only consider the last one bought, the rest are legitimate

[Gom]

I guess I stand corrected, then.

[yankees228]

I only consider the last one bought' date=' the rest are legitimate[/quote']

 

Why do you considering the 2009 championship illegitimate?

[Dipre]

Why do you considering the 2009 championship illegitimate?

 

He said bought, not illegitimate. I believe there may be some confusion there.

[yankees228]

He said bought' date=' not illegitimate. I believe there may be some confusion there.[/quote']

 

He said the rest are legitimate, implying that the most recent one isn't.

[Dipre]

He said the rest are legitimate' date=' implying that the most recent one isn't.[/quote']

 

That's why i said they may be some confusion.

[yankees228]

That's why i said they may be some confusion.

 

Fair enough. I'm curious which one it is.

 

EDIT: Not that I'm looking to have the legitimate vs. illegitimate debate, because ORS and I basically exhausted that one. If he does feel that way though, I was just curious to hear the logic behind it.

[BoSox21]

Poor choice of words then, I didn't mean to imply that the Yankees cheated to win this year. They just bought 2/3 of their playoff rotation and their top hitter. I truly admire the core they developed to win their four titles from '96 to 2000

[yankees228]

Poor choice of words then' date=' I didn't mean to imply that the Yankees cheated to win this year. They just bought 2/3 of their playoff rotation and their top hitter. I truly admire the core they developed to win their four titles from '96 to 2000[/quote']

 

OK, I just hope you realize that many of the players on those teams came from outside the organization.

[BoSox21]

OK' date=' I just hope you realize that many of the players on those teams came from outside the organization.[/quote']

 

I know but it's not like they decided to rape the free agent markets back then. Paul O'Neill wasn't a very good player at all before going to NY making him a shrewd pickup, Tino was traded for, Bernie was drafted, Jeter was drafted, Rivera was drafted, etc.

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW, does anyone know that the Yankees of 2009 had the most home-grown players on it than any other team?

[yankees228]

I know but it's not like they decided to rape the free agent markets back then. Paul O'Neill wasn't a very good player at all before going to NY making him a shrewd pickup' date=' Tino was traded for, Bernie was drafted, Jeter was drafted, Rivera was drafted, etc.[/quote']

 

Well, for what it's worth, Williams and Rivera weren't drafted.

 

They also got extraordinarily lucky with Rivera, and he's someone that I would never give the Yankees any credit for. They initially signed him as a shortstop, and came close to trading him numerous times, as a throw in piece. After coming back from surgery, his velocity spiked. The Yankees got very very lucky with the guy who turned out to be the linchpin for five championships.

 

Regardless, I agree, they definitely built their team in a different way. However, if you're willing to give the 90s Yankees credit for those things, I think you have to return the favor to the current Yankees. Cano, Cabrera, Hughes, Chamberlain, and Robertson all came up through the system. Swisher was acquired via a smart trade by Cashman. A-Rod was acquired via a trade, even though they did end up having to sign him to a new contract eventually, but one of the main reasons he wanted to exclusively negotiate with the Yankees was because he was already on the team. The Yankees were able to sign Damon because the Red Sox wouldn't give him as many years as he wanted, and that decision was justified this year because of the production he had in the final year of his contract.

 

It's easy to throw money at guys like Teixeira, Sabathia, and Burnett. Throw Damon in there too. Only the Yankees could have an offseason like they did last year. No other team can do that. I just think that it's unfair to throw their whole championship under the word "bought" when they created this time in many different ways (ways you admitted yourself are impressive).

[Dipre]

BTW' date=' does anyone know that the Yankees of 2009 had the most home-grown players on it than any other team?[/quote']

 

Hahahaha.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

[jacksonianmarch]

Sorry, it was the AL. Colorado is the only team with a higher percentage

 

http://zellspinstripeblog.com/2009/08/02/the-yanks-have-homegrown-players/

[yankees228]

Hahahaha.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

Dipre, I really don't think this is a fair response to Jacko's comment. Granted, if it wasn't for the Yankees' financial advantage, guys like Pettitte and Posada might not be here. I understand that. But when you're having a conversation about how the Yankees' 2009 championship team was built, Jacko's statement is completely fair and relevant.

[Dipre]

Dipre' date=' I really don't think this is a fair response to Jacko's comment. Granted, if it wasn't for the Yankees' financial advantage, guys like Pettitte and Posada might not be here. I understand that. But when you're having a conversation about how the Yankees' 2009 championship team was built, Jacko's statement is completely fair and relevant.[/quote']

 

Y228, it would have been if it was accurate.

[yankees228]

Y228' date=' it would have been if it was accurate.[/quote']

 

Well, they led the AL. When you laugh at the entire post, you're essentially disregarding his main point, which is a relevant one.