2009 World Series: Phillies @ Yankees

[Keeper]

Manuel is a dumbass. Bringing Lee out again for the 8th, taking Victorino out... this game was a lot closer than it should have been.

 

IMO, Pedro needs to give the Phils 6 solid innings for them to have a shot at winning Game 6. If they have to dip into that godforsaken bullpen before the 6th inning, they'll really have an uphill battle. The good news is the same principle probably applies to Pettitte and the Yanks. The bad news is Pettitte is evidently very good when trying to clinch a series.

 

If there is a Game 7, Hamels needs to get his mind right. None of this season ending early ********.

[a700hitter]

Pedro will have an extra day of rest. He'll have 5 days of rest. My recollection is that his record with an extra day of rest is awesome. Of course, none of those pre-surgery numbers mean anything relative to a post-surgery Pedro, but the extra day should help him. Three days rest for Pettitte has to be a concern.

[Christian Snyder]

You can't really blame tex because he really doesn't have any postseason expierence' date=' before this year.[/quote']

As a previous poster said, stupidest post ever in the history of Talksox. Congratulations.

[Mr Crunchy]

Well he did have what? 3 games of post season baseball before he went to the bronx and if im not mistaken he did hit us pretty well last fall. This year his hits have been few but theyve been timely.

Good morning Lynda, are you wearing any underwear today?

[Optimist]

And the witch hunt begins...

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/11/03/gal_backpage_091103.jpg

 

Come on Daily News...at least wait until the series is over...:thumbdown

[a700hitter]

And the witch hunt begins...

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/11/03/gal_backpage_091103.jpg

 

Come on Daily News...at least wait until the series is over...:thumbdown

Too bad. He wanted so much to play in NY. It goes along with the territory.

[VA Sox Fan]

Well he did have what? 3 games of post season baseball before he went to the bronx and if im not mistaken he did hit us pretty well last fall. This year his hits have been few but theyve been timely.

Good morning Lynda, are you wearing any underwear today?

 

 

Good morning Seano, yes I am.

 

GO PHILLIES!!

[Wells]

Good morning Seano, yes I am.

 

 

Boooooooo haha.

[yeszir]

Cole Hamels is such a prima donna. Even if the Phillies win tomorrow, they have absolutely 0 chance or winning game 7.

[yankees228]

Well, the good news is that they accomplished what they needed to in Philadelphia. Taking two of the three in Philadelphia (where the Phillies were 7-0 last year and 4-1 this year) was going to be a very tough task. They accomplished that. Taking all three might have been a bit much to ask, especially when one of those games was going to be started by a rested Cliff Lee. In many ways the Yankees are fortunate to get back to New York up 3-2 in the series.

 

However, the bad news is that, for the rest of the series, it will be Yankee pitchers on short rest vs. Phillies pitchers on normal rest. If the Yankee offense has indeed turned the corner, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, they're probably primed for a big offensive game. I believe tomorrow really sets them up for that.

 

Now, Pettitte on short rest is definitely a concern. He had far from his best stuff in game three (Heyman actually tweeted that he told teammates he had nothing), but, according to Pettitte, that was mainly due to the rain delay. Apparently he was all ready to go, and then the rain delay came unexpectedly about fifteen minutes before first pitch, and he had to shut it down. I don't think what happened in game three will have any bearing on what happens in game six. Realistically, this could be Pettitte's last professional start. He has already started two games that clinched a championship for the Yankees, and hopefully this will be his third. And, as a700 alluded to, I hope he found a good vein for the HGH.

 

They also have got to change their approach vs. Utley. He is ignoring the entire inner third of the plate, so pitches are the outside corner seemed like they're right in his wheelhouse. For the most part, the Yankees continue to stay away against him, and that is obviously not working. In his second at bat of game four, CC pumped two fastballs right in on his thumbs. Utley popped the second one up. They have to go back to that, simply because they have no chance to get him out with their current approach.

[a700hitter]

Well, the good news is that they accomplished what they needed to in Philadelphia. Taking two of the three in Philadelphia (where the Phillies were 7-0 last year and 4-1 this year) was going to be a very tough task. They accomplished that. Taking all three might have been a bit much to ask, especially when one of those games was going to be started by a rested Cliff Lee. In many ways the Yankees are fortunate to get back to New York up 3-2 in the series.

 

However, the bad news is that, for the rest of the series, it will be Yankee pitchers on short rest vs. Phillies pitchers on normal rest. If the Yankee offense has indeed turned the corner, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, they're probably primed for a big offensive game. I believe tomorrow really sets them up for that.

 

Now, Pettitte on short rest is definitely a concern. He had far from his best stuff in game three (Heyman actually tweeted that he told teammates he had nothing), but, according to Pettitte, that was mainly due to the rain delay. Apparently he was all ready to go, and then the rain delay came unexpectedly about fifteen minutes before first pitch, and he had to shut it down. I don't think what happened in game three will have any bearing on what happens in game six. Realistically, this could be Pettitte's last professional start. He has already started two games that clinched a championship for the Yankees, and hopefully this will be his third. And, as a700 alluded to, I hope he found a good vein for the HGH.

 

They also have got to change their approach vs. Utley. He is ignoring the entire inner third of the plate, so pitches are the outside corner seemed like they're right in his wheelhouse. For the most part, the Yankees continue to stay away against him, and that is obviously not working. In his second at bat of game four, CC pumped two fastballs right in on his thumbs. Utley popped the second one up. They have to go back to that, simply because they have no chance to get him out with their current approach.

Not only are the Philly pitchers on normal rest, Pedro got extra rest (5 days).

[bsox0407]

They also have got to change their approach vs. Utley. He is ignoring the entire inner third of the plate' date=' so pitches are the outside corner seemed like they're right in his wheelhouse. For the most part, the Yankees continue to stay away against him, and that is obviously not working. In his second at bat of game four, CC pumped two fastballs right in on his thumbs. Utley popped the second one up. They have to go back to that, simply because they have no chance to get him out with their current approach.[/quote']

 

i think they should just IBB him and go after Howard who has not been a threat at all this series.

[yankees228]

Not only are the Philly pitchers on normal rest' date=' Pedro got extra rest (5 days).[/quote']

 

Yeah, but to be honest, if the Yankee offense is getting off the ground, Pedro doesn't really concern me. I happen to think that his performance in game two was largely a smoke and mirrors type. I think he had two stretches during the game where he was throwing the ball really well, the first four hitters of the game and right before Matsui's home run. Other than that, I think he got away with a lot of mistakes, and his success was more a product of the Yankees' struggles than anything else.

 

He was also going to a lot of little tricks in game two. Mainly, he was varying his set times to a degree that you almost never see. He quick pitched a couple guys (he might not have even gotten to one one thousandth), and then he would hold his set for an incredibly long time before delivering. It was as if he was waiting right till the moment when he expected the hitter to step out, and then pitching. He is an extremely smart pitcher, but, in game six, I think the Yankees will be better prepared to control the tempo. Pedro really caught them by surprise in game two.

 

If the same Pedro shows up in game six that pitched in game two, I really do believe that the Yankees will hit him. Obviously, that's a big if.

[Dipre]

i think they should just IBB him and go after Howard who has not been a threat at all this series.

 

Utley was a perfect 23-23 in SB attempts in the season, and 3-3 in the postseason. Putting him on is not a healthy idea, since he can help create runs with his speed too.

[The_Destroyah]

Utley was a perfect 23-23 in SB attempts in the season' date=' and 3-3 in the postseason. Putting him on is not a healthy idea, since he can help create runs with his speed too.[/quote']

 

ChUtley is such an easy player to love, as much as I love Pedroia Utley has gotta be my favorite 2nd Baseman

[Dipre]

ChUtley is such an easy player to love' date=' as much as I love Pedroia Utley has gotta be my favorite 2nd Baseman[/quote']

 

That's because he's simply the best second baseman in the league. And it's not even close.

[The_Destroyah]

That's because he's simply the best second baseman in the league. And it's not even close.

 

most definitely, If Ian Kinsler and Pedroia fused together he'd be in a close second to Utley.

[Dipre]

most definitely' date=' If Ian Kinsler and Pedroia fused together he'd be in a close second to Utley.[/quote']

 

Lol no. Much better.

[yankees228]

If Pettitte was pitching on normal rest, I would be more confident in the Yankees winning this game than any other game they have played this postseason, with the exception of game one of the division series. Unfortunately, he isn't, so who knows what he'll bring to the table.

[26 to 6]

If Pettitte was pitching on normal rest' date=' I would be more confident in the Yankees winning this game than any other game they have played this postseason, with the exception of game one of the division series. Unfortunately, he isn't, so who knows what he'll bring to the table.[/quote']

I feel the same way. Andy on three days rest worries me.

[ORS]

I wanna say Congrats to Mark Teixeira on being the new Arod

 

unclutch.

 

It's time for him to get a half-human, half-horse painting of himself to shake his unclutchness...

So a headshot should suffice, right?

[26 to 6]

CBS is reporting that MLB will look into the frequent mound visits by Posada and the Yankees.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/mlb/story/12461929

 

PHILADELPHIA -- All those meetings on the mound called by catcher Jorge Posada and the New York Yankees are giving Major League Baseball pause, too.

 

Posada and pals visited pitcher CC Sabathia eight times -- in a single inning -- on Sunday night, grinding Game 4 of the World Series to a standstill. Agitated Phillies fans booed each trip.

 

MLB vice president of umpiring Mike Port said frequent mound meetings by all teams would likely be discussed by baseball officials this offseason.

 

"It would fall under the province of pace of game," Port said before the Yankees beat Philadelphia 7-4 to take a 3-1 Series lead.

 

But Larry Bowa, former Phillies manager and player, as well as a former Yankees third base coach under Joe Torre, thinks he might have an explanation.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/baseball/yankees/68827317.html

 

"There’s rumors going around that when you play the Phillies, there’s a camera somewhere or bullpen people are giving signs, and catchers are constantly changing signs," Bowa said. "That’s the rumor. Now is it [proved[? No. I’ve had three people come up to me, ‘Watch center field, they’ve got a camera. Some guys stand up by the fence and if their arms are up it’s a breaking ball.’ I didn’t see it, but other teams swear by it.

 

"So I’m sure the Yankees personnel said, ‘Heads up, these guys like to give signs from second, they’ve got people in center field. So they were constantly changing signs. Posada was paranoid about it. CC was paranoid about it so they kept going out. They might have changed signs four times on one hitter. That’s the reason he went out. It wasn’t to say to him, ‘Settle down.’ It was, ‘Go to this sign.’"

[Dipre]

Will Bowa ever learn to shut his big mouth?

[Keeper]

ChUtley is such an easy player to love' date=' as much as I love Pedroia Utley has gotta be my favorite 2nd Baseman[/quote']

 

Yeah, I've had a man crush on Utley for a few years now. Easily one of the best players in all of baseball and like Dipre said the best 2nd baseman, bar none.

[yankees228]

Will Bowa ever learn to shut his big mouth?

 

What if he's right? He's not saying anything definite, just saying that he's heard speculation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

The Giants knew what pitch was coming when Bobby Thompson hit "The Shot Heard Round the World". People in baseball used to think (and maybe still do) that the White Sox steal signs and relay them using that wheel that lights up towards the top of the stadium. Who knows.

[yankees228]

I feel the same way. Andy on three days rest worries me.

 

So am I. They're asking Andy to do something he hasn't done since his final start in 2006. I don't think anyone should care about a pitcher's past success on two day's rest, even though Andy's history is pretty decent. It's just way too small a sample size to make any kind of judgement based on it. Burnett had a fabulous history on three days rest...

 

I do find something kind of interesting though. When Andy had to start game 5 of the 1996 World Series no one made a big deal about it. When Andy had to start game 2 of the 2003 World Series no one made a big deal about it. However, now it is a big deal. He's older, and has had shoulder problems, so I can understand that. But, we simply don't know what Andy is going to show up. It's total conjecture, simply because we would have nothing to support our claims. Someone who thinks it's not going to bother him at all has nothing to back that up. Someone who thinks it is going to bother him has nothing to back that up.

 

None of us know the specifics of Andy's routine. None of us know how taking away a day from that routine is going to affect him. And none of us know the state of his body, and whether he is well rested enough to do it. We can be concerned, and we can speculate on how well he'll do, but I think it's useless to speculate on how pitching on three days rest will affect him.

[Dipre]

What if he's right? He's not saying anything definite, just saying that he's heard speculation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

The Giants knew what pitch was coming when Bobby Thompson hit "The Shot Heard Round the World". People in baseball used to think (and maybe still do) that the White Sox steal signs and relay them using that wheel that lights up towards the top of the stadium. Who knows.

 

What if he could wait until the WS was over instead of stirring the pot now?

 

What if he could have some tact?

 

What if he could respect the other team?

[yankees228]

What if he could wait until the WS was over instead of stirring the pot now?

 

What if he could have some tact?

 

What if he could respect the other team?

 

Yeah, but people want to here about that stuff now. He's just speculating, and makes it clear that it is anything but a certainty.

 

And what do you mean by "the other team"? Larry Bowa isn't employed by the Yankees.

[Dipre]

Yeah, but people want to here about that stuff now. He's just speculating, and makes it clear that it is anything but a certainty.

 

And what do you mean by "the other team"? Larry Bowa isn't employed by the Yankees.

 

Of the two teams, which did he leave on bad terms?

 

And i don't wanna hear about that now, even if it was the Yankees on the ugly end. Maybe just my opinion.

[yankees228]

Of the two teams, which did he leave on bad terms?

 

And i don't wanna hear about that now, even if it was the Yankees on the ugly end. Maybe just my opinion.

 

And him and one of best friends was forced out by the Yankees. He has a reason to be angry at both teams.

 

I do see your point though. I just think it was actually kind of a response to what the media was initially saying. The Yankees were drawing a lot of criticism for the unusual amount of mound visits in game four, and Bowa was offering a possible explanation. In my opinion, it's not an unreasonable assertion.