2009 World Series: Phillies @ Yankees

[Dipre]

And him and one of best friends was forced out by the Yankees. He has a reason to be angry at both teams.

 

I do see your point though. I just think it was actually kind of a response to what the media was initially saying. The Yankees were drawing a lot of criticism for the unusual amount of mound visits in game four, and Bowa was offering a possible explanation. In my opinion, it's not an unreasonable assertion.

 

That could have waited a couple of days until after the WS.

 

That's my point.

[bsox0407]

That could have waited a couple of days until after the WS.

 

That's my point.

 

He should have waited until it was over because it just adds more drama.

[yankees228]

That could have waited a couple of days until after the WS.

 

That's my point.

 

I disagree, because, at that point it would have been irrelevant. He was responding to people criticizing the Yankees' mound visits. That would not have been relevant news after the series was over.

 

Agree to disagree I guess.

[Dipre]

I disagree, because, at that point it would have been irrelevant. He was responding to people criticizing the Yankees' mound visits. That would not have been relevant news after the series was over.

 

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

Fair enough.

 

I just think it's an issue that'll be revisited a couple times during the off-season. Wait and see.

[bsox0407]

I disagree, because, at that point it would have been irrelevant. He was responding to people criticizing the Yankees' mound visits. That would not have been relevant news after the series was over.

 

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

 

If the Phillies are stealing signs then shame on them. if it was a player on the field stealing the signs i am all for it. the number of visits by the catcher should not restricted. even if they have to have the bench call the pitches from the dugout.

[Gom]

Well...here we go to Game Six.

 

If someone told me they'd come back up 3-2, I'd be happy. Also, the one game they lost was started by AJ, who won't be seen unless it's an emergency Game 7 relief. Both CC and Lee were hit the second time around, but I'll take my chances with short rest for Andy and CC against a rested Pedro or Hamels/Happ at Yankee stadium.

 

Yankees show they are Pedro's Daddy. Again.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Game 6 is gonna be another slugfest. Pettitte on short rest is a bit dicey, but Pedro in Yankee Stadium a second time around with the nothing he was throwing in game 2 is likely to be disastrous as well. I see both pitchers out of the game come inning #6 and I see a battle of the pens.

 

For NY, they just need to rack up the pitch count on Pedro, but I think they might hit him all over the yard, especially with the DH back in play. If they get Pedro to 100 pitches rather early, then the bubbly will be flowin in NY tomorrow. If they let Pedro off the hook by chasing pitches early, then we'll be playing on Thursday.

[Divinity]

I think Game 6 is gonna be another slugfest. Pettitte on short rest is a bit dicey, but Pedro in Yankee Stadium a second time around with the nothing he was throwing in game 2 is likely to be disastrous as well. I see both pitchers out of the game come inning #6 and I see a battle of the pens.

 

For NY, they just need to rack up the pitch count on Pedro, but I think they might hit him all over the yard, especially with the DH back in play. If they get Pedro to 100 pitches rather early, then the bubbly will be flowin in NY tomorrow. If they let Pedro off the hook by chasing pitches early, then we'll be playing on Thursday.

 

Well the Yankees have a backup starter in Chad Gaudin if Pettitte isn't in control. I think the biggest side effect from starting on short rest is that you become fatigued quicker, if thats the case Andy should still be able to last 4-5 innings.

 

The biggest mystery is when Giradi will bring in No. 42, if the Yankees have a 4-2 lead in the 7th inning can he afford to risk blowing the lead and losing the game? Mariano can last about 40 pitches but its an unkown how many outs that will translate to.

[jacksonianmarch]

It depends IMO. He isnt going to Mo for more than 2 innings, thats for sure. Cause if he does, then he blows him for a potential game 7 should we lose. I am all about going for the jugular, but we need to also keep in mind that we dont need to have an all hands on deck kind of game. I think Pettitte for 5IP with some combo of Hughes-Aceves-Joba-Marte should get us to the 8th

[yankees228]

It depends IMO. He isnt going to Mo for more than 2 innings' date=' thats for sure. Cause if he does, then he blows him for a potential game 7 should we lose. I am all about going for the jugular, but we need to also keep in mind that we dont need to have an all hands on deck kind of game. I think Pettitte for 5IP with some combo of Hughes-Aceves-Joba-Marte should get us to the 8th[/quote']

 

Girardi was on WFAN and he clearly left the door open for Rivera to get more than six outs in game six. People need to stop worrying about Rivera's pitch count or how tired he is. I'm not saying he's not going to be effected negatively by overuse, but he has proven time and time again that he's the best the Yankees have got. If they have a chance to go to him, even if it's four seven or eight outs, they have to do it.

[yankees228]

It would be appropriate if Rivera was asked to get the toughest save of his career to close out this series.

[26 to 6]

Girardi was on WFAN and he clearly left the door open for Rivera to get more than six outs in game six. People need to stop worrying about Rivera's pitch count or how tired he is. I'm not saying he's not going to be effected negatively by overuse' date=' but he has proven time and time again that he's the best the Yankees have got. If they have a chance to go to him, even if it's four seven or eight outs, they have to do it.[/quote']

Not only is he the best the Yankees have got, he's the best there is. Period.

 

I really hope we can wrap this one up tonight. Hopefully Andy can give us some solid innings, the bats do some work, and the bullpen does an effecient job getting the ball to Mo in the 8th if need be (or possibly earlier).

[26 to 6]

Boomer Wells thinks the Yankees should knock Utley down and rattle him a bit early on in this one, and I can't say I disagree.

 

Chase Utley needs to kiss the Yankee Stadium dirt tonight.

 

Enough is enough, already. I would never advocate throwing at somebody’s head, but there comes a time when you’ve got to make an insanely hot hitter like Utley squirm.

 

That is what I would have done Monday night if I were A.J. Burnett. What do you think Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale would have done?

 

They would have knocked Utley on his fanny at the start of the game.

 

You don’t want to give in and just say, “OK you’ve got me.” Hell, go out there with aggression, man. Go out there and get rough. Get mean. Show some guts and knock the guy on his butt.

 

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/wells_knock_utley_down_4oCOJsLqkQMKj2O4Ttw7xL#ixzz0VvMMWzLZ

[yankees228]

And if the Yankees want any proof that doing something like that is acceptable, all they need to do is take a look at the opposing pitcher.

[Dipre]

And if the Yankees want any proof that doing something like that is acceptable' date=' all they need to do is take a look at the opposing pitcher.[/quote']

 

You can be damn sure Pedro will be doing it to Tex after the homer in game 2.

[yankees228]

And I'm not even advocating hitting Utley. They could do that, but it's not even necessary. Just move him off the plate. Make him conscious of the inside pitch. He is treating pitches on the outside corner like they're right down the middle. The Yankees just cannot let him do that any longer.

[Dipre]

And I'm not even advocating hitting Utley. They could do that' date=' but it's not even necessary. Just move him off the plate. Make him conscious of the inside pitch. He is treating pitches on the outside corner like they're right down the middle. The Yankees just cannot let him do that any longer.[/quote']

 

If they do let him stay so comfy at the plate, he might single-handedly beat them tonight, specially with Petitte on 3 days' rest. The man needs to live on the inside black against Utley.

[jacksonianmarch]

As a former pitcher, the way they are pitching Utley is embarassing. Lefty on Lefty should be squarely in the corner of the pitcher. But when you dont make him respect the inside fastball, he can just sit on something out over the plate. CC tried to come inside with the heat, but kept leaving it out over the plate. Coke didnt even try to come inside. And Burnett couldnt keep the ball from running down the middle. Utley is hitting really well, but I put that more at the shoes of our pitching staff than at the shoes of Utley being amazing. The amount of pitchers we are hanging to him are insane

[yankees228]

As a former pitcher' date=' the way they are pitching Utley is embarassing. Lefty on Lefty should be squarely in the corner of the pitcher. But when you dont make him respect the inside fastball, he can just sit on something out over the plate. CC tried to come inside with the heat, but kept leaving it out over the plate. Coke didnt even try to come inside. And Burnett couldnt keep the ball from running down the middle. Utley is hitting really well, but I put that more at the shoes of our pitching staff than at the shoes of Utley being amazing. The amount of pitchers we are hanging to him are insane[/quote']

 

That's not accurate about Sabathia. He faced Utley four times. In Utley's first AB he stayed away from him, and Utley hit it off the top of the right center field wall. In Utley's second AB he came in with two fastballs and popped him up. In Utley's third AB he stayed away from him, and got him out on a check swing pop up, but it might have had more to do with the fact that he almost quick pitched him. In Utley's fourth AB he stayed away from him, and Utley hit a home run.

 

So to recap, he made an effort in one of the four ABs to come inside, and he got him out. During the other three ABs he consistently stayed away, only getting him out once (where there may have been another factor involved), and giving him two extra base hits. The one time the Yankees made an effort to come in on Utley, they got him out. It's incredible that they haven't gone back to that more.

[yeszir]

This game is going to be epic.

[The_Destroyah]

I really wish I could watch it, but the Grandparents control the TV, which means News, History Channel and Law and Order. FML.

[MANNYHOF24]

Let's go Pedro!

[Wells]

Let's do it, Petey!!

[Cocos Disciples]

Keys to the Game (translated):

 

Phillies: Win

 

Yankees: a) Win Be winning late in the game so Rivera comes in.

[yeszir]

$380 is not worth seeing the Yankees win. Go Phillies.

[MANNYHOF24]

Reading Pettitte is like reading Greek.

[Wells]

Here we goooooo.

[yankees228]

Oh my god! They came inside to Utley...

 

And they actually got him out! What a concept.

[Optimist]

Did Chase Utley just make two outs? What?

[yeszir]

Getting back for Posada visiting the mount a million times