Does Mo Cheat?

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To me' date=' it looks like the spit hits the ball.[/quote']

But I think if this was a regular things someone would have caught on in one of his earlier 1000ish other outings. Count me in under 'isolated incident'.

 

OK so before everyone gets on me I want to say that upon initially reviewing the video, I thought it was pretty goddamn clear that Mo spit on the ball. Fine. I'm not condoning it, but I certainly don't hold it to the same level of "cheating" as I do PED use and such, some of the best pitchers in baseball history doctored the ball. And anyone who is friends with me on facebook can confirm that I even posted a video of the incidend with the headline "We got Mo out there throwin spitters," or something to that effect. But Fox showed a still shot last night that clearly showed the lugi (sp?) in front of the baseball. You could see for sure that the spit did NOT touch the ball. I haven't been able to find the still shot that they showed, but I'll keep looking. Otherwise I am aware I'm going to take a beating here as a Yankee lover who is just defending a Yankee. Call it what you want but I know what I saw, and admit to initially thinking he spit on the ball. Besides, his pitch doesn't have enough movement to be a spitter, or doctored in any way.

 

So take it how you want, there is no way Rivera spit on the ball. Selig and Scoisca both agreed.

[yankees228]

OK so before everyone gets on me I want to say that upon initially reviewing the video, I thought it was pretty goddamn clear that Mo spit on the ball. Fine. I'm not condoning it, but I certainly don't hold it to the same level of "cheating" as I do PED use and such, some of the best pitchers in baseball history doctored the ball. And anyone who is friends with me on facebook can confirm that I even posted a video of the incidend with the headline "We got Mo out there throwin spitters," or something to that effect. But Fox showed a still shot last night that clearly showed the lugi (sp?) in front of the baseball. You could see for sure that the spit did NOT touch the ball. I haven't been able to find the still shot that they showed, but I'll keep looking. Otherwise I am aware I'm going to take a beating here as a Yankee lover who is just defending a Yankee. Call it what you want but I know what I saw, and admit to initially thinking he spit on the ball. Besides, his pitch doesn't have enough movement to be a spitter, or doctored in any way.

 

So take it how you want, there is no way Rivera spit on the ball. Selig and Scoisca both agreed.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVe8MhfEbnY

 

Obviously that's not the still photo, but it should suffice.

 

(Same one I posted earlier in the thread.)

[a700hitter]

Have you thought about how stupid that sounds? There are no fewer than 20 cameras on him at all time when he is on the hill. You really think he thought he wouldnt get caught

Do you realize how stupid this sounds. intelligent people do things all the time even though it is obvious that they will get caught. How about the BU Medical Student that killed the girl in the Boston Copley Marriott. I guess he was pretty smart to get into medical school. Yet he left a whole INTERNET road map that enabled the cops to catch him. The cops didn't have to interview anyone. They just needed to trace his IP address. Back to baseball. Do you remember Joe Niekro throwing the nail file out of his pocket like no one would notice it? The only way we know if someone has been cheating is that they get caught.

[YanksHater213]

OK so before everyone gets on me I want to say that upon initially reviewing the video, I thought it was pretty goddamn clear that Mo spit on the ball. Fine. I'm not condoning it, but I certainly don't hold it to the same level of "cheating" as I do PED use and such, some of the best pitchers in baseball history doctored the ball. And anyone who is friends with me on facebook can confirm that I even posted a video of the incidend with the headline "We got Mo out there throwin spitters," or something to that effect. But Fox showed a still shot last night that clearly showed the lugi (sp?) in front of the baseball. You could see for sure that the spit did NOT touch the ball. I haven't been able to find the still shot that they showed, but I'll keep looking. Otherwise I am aware I'm going to take a beating here as a Yankee lover who is just defending a Yankee. Call it what you want but I know what I saw, and admit to initially thinking he spit on the ball. Besides, his pitch doesn't have enough movement to be a spitter, or doctored in any way.

 

So take it how you want, there is no way Rivera spit on the ball. Selig and Scoisca both agreed.

 

Not sure why you quoted me, but I think you misconstrued what I said. I said originally that I thought he did spit on the ball (which we all now know he didn't), but I also said that if he in fact did, that it was most likely an isolated incident.

[yankees228]

Do you realize how stupid this sounds. intelligent people do things all the time even though it is obvious that they will get caught. How about the BU Medical Student that killed the girl in the Boston Copley Marriott. I guess he was pretty smart to get into medical school. Yet he left a whole INTERNET road map that enabled the cops to catch him. The cops didn't have to interview anyone. They just needed to trace his IP address. Back to baseball. Do you remember Joe Niekro throwing the nail file out of his pocket like no one would notice it? The only way we know if someone has been cheating is that they get caught.

 

What you said isn't incorrect because someone would never do something that stupid.

 

What you said is incorrect because it is now clear he did not spit on the ball.

[ORS]

I don't know if he cheats, but I do know this, I'm not swimming in his pool.

[bsox0407]

I don't know if he cheats' date=' but I do know this, I'm not swimming in his pool.[/quote']

 

ouch but totally funny. :lol:

[a700hitter]

What you said isn't incorrect because someone would never do something that stupid.

 

What you said is incorrect because it is now clear he did not spit on the ball.

It's not surprising that MLB would look for a camera angle that would quell any controversy. They have a vested interest, and they have their hands full with the umpires horrible performance this post season.

[Keeper]

What you said isn't incorrect because someone would never do something that stupid.

 

What you said is incorrect because it is now clear he did not spit on the ball.

 

But it looked like he tried to spit on the ball. Intent is kind of important here.

[yankees228]

But it looked like he tried to spit on the ball. Intent is kind of important here.

 

Take it from someone that watches almost every Yankees' game. Mo spits all the time. The ball happened to be in the vicinity. That means absolutely nothing.

[yankees228]

It's not surprising that MLB would look for a camera angle that would quell any controversy. They have a vested interest' date=' and they have their hands full with the umpires horrible performance this post season.[/quote']

 

It's not about a camera angle. If you slow the video down, which the link I posted does, you see the spit traveling beneath the ball. That is conclusive evidence.

 

Please don't cry conspiracy, it's baseless.

[26 to 6]

But it looked like he tried to spit on the ball. Intent is kind of important here.

If he tried to spit on the ball and missed I would be very concerned. He was just spitting, that's all. Don't make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

 

700, just give up man.

[a700hitter]

If he tried to spit on the ball and missed I would be very concerned. He was just spitting, that's all. Don't make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

 

700, just give up man.

Many of the great Yankees cheated. That would be nothing new. Whitey Ford was one of the best at it. Why are you Yankee fans freaking out over whether Mo spit on the ball?

[Gom]

Dipre' date=' over these past few months, I have made being right a habit[/quote']

 

When? Not with me, buddy.

 

This could be the funniest post ever in the history of this board.

[Dipre]

When? Not with me, buddy.

 

This could be the funniest post ever in the history of this board.

 

Lol Josh Reddick is a slower clone of Jacoby Ellsbury after all.

[26 to 6]

Many of the great Yankees cheated. That would be nothing new. Whitey Ford was one of the best at it. Why are you Yankee fans freaking out over whether Mo spit on the ball?

Nobody's freaking out except you. I even said to begin with that it looked to me like he spit on the ball and that it was whatever, while I didn't condone it I didn't frown on it the way I fron on PED use, and also acknowledged that many of the best pitchers in the history of the game doctored the ball. Did you conveniently overlook that point?

 

You're freaking out by persisting with these claims after they have already been proven wrong. He DID NOT spit on the ball. It's a non-story, just let it go man. I don't know why we're still talking about this.

[Cocos Disciples]

Did spitballers actually just hawk loogies on the ball or did they lick their fingers? I think it was the latter.

[yankees228]

Many of the great Yankees cheated. That would be nothing new. Whitey Ford was one of the best at it. Why are you Yankee fans freaking out over whether Mo spit on the ball?

 

Personally, I'm not freaking out at all. Like you alluded to, Elston Howard used to cut the ball all the time for Whitey Ford. All I'm saying is that it's pretty clear at this point that he did not spit on the ball.

[26 to 6]

Did spitballers actually just hawk loogies on the ball or did they lick their fingers? I think it was the latter.

Yes, you are correct. There is an art to throwing a spitter, and what we saw in that video would be like a three-year-old finger painting compared to the Mona Lisa-like artistry of some of the great spit-ballers like Jack Chesbro, Burleigh Grimes, and Gaylord Perry. That's another reason this is getting so ridiculous. If Mo was actually doctoring the ball I would say "cool, at least he didn't get caught." It's clear that he wasn't, so this discussion really needs to be put to rest.

[yankees228]

Did spitballers actually just hawk loogies on the ball or did they lick their fingers? I think it was the latter.

 

Which is exactly why I posted this http://www.stevesteinberg.net/indexspitball_howitsthrown.htm on the first page of the thread.

 

What Rivera did is not how you load a baseball.

[Cocos Disciples]

Which is exactly why I posted this http://www.stevesteinberg.net/indexspitball_howitsthrown.htm on the first page of the thread.

 

What Rivera did is not how you load a baseball.

 

I thought I read it somewhere, haha.

[a700hitter]

Nobody's freaking out except you. I even said to begin with that it looked to me like he spit on the ball and that it was whatever, while I didn't condone it I didn't frown on it the way I fron on PED use, and also acknowledged that many of the best pitchers in the history of the game doctored the ball. Did you conveniently overlook that point?

 

You're freaking out by persisting with these claims after they have already been proven wrong. He DID NOT spit on the ball. It's a non-story, just let it go man. I don't know why we're still talking about this.

I'm not freakin out about it. It looks like he spit on the ball. MLB says that he didn't, but has anyone see the video evidence that MLB is relying upon? I don't think there is anything conclusive that he didn't spit on it.

[jacksonianmarch]

look at the video that y228 put up there. Its pretty clear the spit misses the ball

[a700hitter]

look at the video that y228 put up there. Its pretty clear the spit misses the ball

 

It's been removed.

[jacksonianmarch]

It was pretty clear that the spit passed the ball when the cameras switched.