Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Dojji]

Couple directions I'd go before Helton. I'd actually look to the farm first, if we can get Reddick or Anderson a chance.

[Dipre]

Couple directions I'd go before Helton. I'd actually look to the farm first' date=' if we can get Reddick or Anderson a chance.[/quote']

 

Really?

 

For the DH spot?

[Spudboy]

Couple directions I'd go before Helton. I'd actually look to the farm first' date=' if we can get Reddick or Anderson a chance.[/quote']

 

Oye.

 

 

As much as I really like Reddick, and as much hope as I have for Anderson to fulfill his hype, that would be a stretch.

[Dojji]

Really?

 

For the DH spot?

 

Well, I'm just thinking of finding a bat. Honestly, if we had Reddick up, the temptation would probably be to slide Drew into the DH spot, or maybe to rotate Drew and a couple other players through it, in order to keep them healthier.

[a700hitter]

I think you have gone mad from cabin fever. Maybe Reddick could bat cleanup to protect Youk. Jeesh!

[Dojji]

I think you have gone mad from cabin fever.

 

Always a possibility at this time of year.

 

Maybe Reddick could bat cleanup to protect Youk. Jeesh!

 

3-4 years down the road, this quote might come back to haunt you lol. Reddick's got legit power, if his pitch selection improves the sky's the limit.

[Dipre]

Reddick's a contact hitter with above average power, you say he's got "Sky's the limit" power.

 

The scouts and the stats or you? Who do i believe?

 

Also, Drew's quite possibly the best RF defensively in the league behind Ichiro. No rotation, no DH. Let him earn his money, not to mention neither Reddick nor Anderson is ready for a full-time lineup spot. Please stop.

[BoSox21]

Just wanted to point out that Friday is Truck Day (!)

[Dojji]

. His frame is athletic and lean, with some potential to fill out. If he adds strength to his wiry frame, there's not much limit to his power potential.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/reddick-josh.htm

[Dipre]

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/reddick-josh.htm

 

First off, soxprospects.com. Enough said.

 

Second off, i would suggest you investigate the difference between present power and power potential. Two completely different things.

 

Present power means a guy who has the ability to hit for power.

 

Power potential means a guy that has one or more ifs which, if he fulfills, will be able to hit for power. Adding "strength" to a wiry frame is a completely optimistic approach that has no bearing on a player's actual capabilities.

 

Grasping at straws here.

[VA Sox Fan]

Just wanted to point out that Friday is Truck Day (!)

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Dojji]

First off, soxprospects.com. Enough said.

 

Second off, i would suggest you investigate the difference between present power and power potential. Two completely different things.

 

Present power means a guy who has the ability to hit for power.

 

Power potential means a guy that has one or more ifs which, if he fulfills, will be able to hit for power. Adding "strength" to a wiry frame is a completely optimistic approach that has no bearing on a player's actual capabilities.

 

Grasping at straws here.

 

Agreed, you are. Certainly you're abusing the term "contact hitter" if you think power-hitting and hitting for contract are opposed. As long as the power's there, good contact hitters tend to be able to enhance it. Good power and great contact skills is a pretty decent description of pre-injury Nomar Garciaparra after all.

 

A contact hitter doesn't need huge natural power to be a good powerhitter. Look at Youkilis for a prime example. He took what was originally a line drive skillset and became one of the best hitters in the American League, and one of the better sluggers.

 

Reddick's offensive potential is strong, and he's close to ready. If we lose a hitter, he's on tap. Only if he fails to capitalize on his chances do we go outside the or looking for a bat.

 

Although actually I should have mentioned Lowrie too. Not exactly the guy you'd look at to be called up in Ortiz's place if he goes down, but definitely due a callup at some point in the season. If he can put his health problems behind him until midseason, we probably waive Hall, who costs us nothing anyway, in Lowrie's favor.

[Dipre]

Agreed, you are.

 

Reddick's offensive potential is strong, and he's close to ready. If we lose a hitter, he's on tap. Only if he fails to capitalize on his chances do we go outside the or looking for a bat.

 

Although actually I should have mentioned Lowrie too. Not exactly the guy you'd look at to be called up in Ortiz's place if he goes down, but definitely due a callup at some point in the season. If he can put his health problems behind him until midseason, we probably waive Hall, who costs us nothing anyway, in Lowrie's favor.

 

Lol!.

 

You just said Reddick's got "sky's the limit" power potential and i'm grasping at straws?

 

Ok there, buddy. I suggest you take the grape flavor.

[Dojji]

Yes, you're grasping at straws. You're looking at the words "contact hitter" and reading about a billion times too much into that. Just because he is a contact hitter -- and he is, a pretty decent one -- does not mean he is not a power hitter. Most players have skillsets that don't fully vanish into this or that pigeonhole.

 

Chone Figgins and Vlad Guerrero are both great contact hitters. It says nothing about how much power you can or cannot have. Since the reviews of Reddick's power and power potential are both quite positive, and he's young and has a good chance to fill out as he reaches his mid to late 20's, and his pitch selection has measurably improved as he's raised through the ranks, I'll continue to be quite high on Reddick's power prospects until I have an actual reason not to be, thank you very much.

[Dipre]

Yes, you're grasping at straws. You're looking at the words "contact hitter" and reading about a billion times too much into that. Just because he is a contact hitter -- and he is, a pretty decent one -- does not mean he is not a power hitter. Most players have skillsets that don't fully vanish into this or that pigeonhole.

 

Chone Figgins and Vlad Guerrero are both great contact hitters. It says nothing about how much power you can or cannot have. Since the reviews of Reddick's power and power potential are both quite positive, and he's young and has a good chance to fill out as he reaches his mid to late 20's, I'll continue to be quite high on Reddick's power prospects until I have an actual reason not to be, thank you very much.

 

No.

 

What i'm looking into is the fact that Josh Reddick is not a power hitter. No one but you projects to be a guy who's going to hit a ton of XBH at the ML levels.

 

He grades not more than maybe a 45 power-wise in the 20-80 scale.

 

To further explain things:

 

This is a power-hitting prospect:

 

http://projectprospect.com/files/media/content/Mike-Stanton300x450%20Low-A-9.jpg

 

Mike Stanton, who grades a solid 70-75 in most scout's 20-80 scale.

 

The most i've seen Reddick grade out is a 50. That is above-average power, but not legit Homerun potential.

 

Please stop being the Red Sox version of Jacko.

[Dojji]

No.

 

What i'm looking into is the fact that Josh Reddick is not a power hitter. No one but you projects to be a guy who's going to hit a ton of XBH at the ML levels.

 

So everyone who isn't Manny good at the minor league level has no chance at all to hit for useful power. Good thing we knew that before we had that schlub loser Kevin Youkilis batting cleanup for us these last couple seasons.

 

If you ever tell me again that Adrian Beltre hits for power, I am going to laugh, right in your face, Mr. Double Standard.

[Dipre]

So everyone who isn't Manny good at the minor league level has no chance at all to hit for useful power. Good thing we knew that before we had that schlub loser Kevin Youkilis batting cleanup for us these last couple seasons.

 

If you ever tell me again that Adrian Beltre hits for power, I am going to laugh, right in your face, Mr. Double Standard.

 

Hahahahahaha.

 

Beltre has hit 20 or more homers 7 times in MLB. He came up as a legit power-hitting prospect, and actually hasn't lived up to his billing. How many times has Reddick his 20 at the ML level? Oh, that's right......

 

What a strawman.

 

Also, it's not that he's not "Manny good", and Kevin Youkilis is:

 

A) Not a good comparison, because Youkilis always had the pitch selection, body type and swing to be able to pull the ball with authority. He wasn't a "If he fills out" case but "if he maximizes his potential" case.

 

B ) The exception, not the rule.

 

Again, please stop being the Sox version of Jacko.

 

Have fun waiting for him to hit cleanup on the Sox.

[Dojji]

As soon as you stop being the Sox version of Gom.

[Dipre]

As soon as you stop being the Sox version of Gom.

 

Yeah no.

 

There's a difference between "Drinking the Kool-Aid" and being an objective fan.

 

I like to see prospects for what they are.

 

For example:

 

I defended Clay Bucholz multiple times on this site, including from you.

 

I've expressed my interest in Casey Kelly and non-existent desire to trade him. Even for Adrian Gonzales.

 

I've expressed my interest over Westmoreland, and repeatedly advocated for the fact that he will maximize his potential if he can get past the injuries.

 

I've also expressed my interest in Lars Anderson, but i'm not naive enough to think it's not worth acquiring Mark f***ing Teixeira in order to not block him.

 

So what if i don't like Daniel Nava or Hunter Jones? I'm realistic. I suggest you try that.

[Dojji]

Reddick has shown all the evidence that you could expect of him at this point that he is going to hit for power at the big league level. Take several of his sample sizes in the minors and expand them to 500 AB's and you start seeing 20-25 HR power. There is no reason right now to doubt his ability to translate that to the big league level. Combine that with the several scouting reports that praise his power as solidly above average and note that his pitch selection has shown consistent improvement throughout his rise, and I have no particular reason to curb my enthusiasm for the guy.

 

Now is there a bust potential, sure, but going through life assuming you'll fail is a great way to wind up a statistic in someone's suicide report, so I try to avoid it if I can. Unless he's at least a partial bust at the big league level though that power is going to come through, and it's going to be non-trivial power.

[Dipre]

Potential.

 

That is all.

 

If he can improve his pitch selection.

 

If he can add some muscle to his frame.

 

If he starts showing no platoon issues like he did in the past.

 

He can show all of those things in 2010. If he does, then i'll agree with you, if he doesn't, then maybe he's not all soxprospects has cranked him up to be.

[Dojji]

Sure, because he's a FREAKING PROSPECT. It GOES WITH THE TERRITORY, you smug twit.

 

You can say the same about any prospect in the game, from your beloved Mike Stanton on down. So get off your high horse before you fall and sprain something.

[Dipre]

Sure, because he's a FREAKING PROSPECT. It GOES WITH THE TERRITORY, you smug twit.

 

You can say the same about any prospect in the game, from your beloved Mike Stanton on down. So get off your high horse before you fall and sprain something.

 

Really? I'm a smug twit? From the Lord of smug twits? I'll take that as a compliment.

 

See, you mumbling idiot, the issue is that you're talking like he's a sure thing. He's not. Holy f***, i just used logic. Don't try it, you might get an aneurysm!

[Dojji]

What the hell are you talking about? At least 4 times in the last 15 minutes of posting I've said I'm open to the possibility that Reddick will fail. My whole point is that Reddick should be given the chance to fail before we go outside the organization for replacements. Boggles the mind that you'd have any problem with that.

 

I know that we're both starting to repeaet ourselves a bit, but it isn't that much to ask you to read what I say before you respond to it. Someone who doesn't read what people say and still engages in an argument is called a "troll." You don't want to be one of those.

[Dipre]

what the hell are you talking about? At least 4 times in the last 15 minutes of posting I've said I'm open to the possibility that Reddick will fail. My whole point is that Reddick should be given the chance to fail before we go outside the organization for replacements. Boggles the mind that you'd have any problem with that.

 

I know that we're both starting to repeaet ourselves a bit, but it isn't that much to ask you to read what I say before you respond to it. Someone who doesn't read what people say and still engages in an argument is called a "troll." You don't want to be one of those.

 

 

A)

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B ) Backpedal.

 

C) Not your initial argument.

[Dojji]

Couple directions I'd go before Helton. I'd actually look to the farm first' date=' if we can get Reddick or Anderson a chance.[/quote']

 

This is my initial argument. Go to the farm first, before Helton.

 

And you can stop being a

http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg

anytime you're ready. Thanks in advance.

[a700hitter]

3-4 years down the road' date=' this quote might come back to haunt you lol. Reddick's got legit power, if his pitch selection improves the sky's the limit.[/quote']Why would I be haunted in 3-4 years? I didn't say that Reddick stinks. Right now, he's a baby. He needs experience and refining. In 3-4 years this thread will be the "Official 2013-214 Hot Stove season thread." Most of the team will have turned over by then. I would expect that some of our current farmhands would be starters in 3-4 years, but he shouldn't even be a 4th OF this season.

[Dojji]

He won't be a 4th OF. If he's called up, it's as an injury replacement. But he is the closest thing to a MLB-ready offensive player we have, and I have no doubt that whether or not he SHOULD see MLB time this season, he in fact will.

 

At the moment the Plan B guy at DH is Mike Lowell anyway, and that holds true until he's taken off the roster.

[a700hitter]

My whole point is that Reddick should be given the chance to fail before we go outside the organization for replacements. Boggles the mind that you'd have any problem with that.

 

If Papi can't hit, they should get a veteran bat. Looking to the kids in a lineup that is already weaker than last season would be essentially throwing in the towel on the season.

[italstallianion]

I was thinking, maybe we can shore up our bullpen with one of Toronto's excess relievers. Scott Downs ($4 million) and Jason Frasor (2+ million) are owed the most amount of money, maybe we can swing a deal and solidify another spot in the pen. I just think our bullpen got worse and that we can do a little tweaking to make it better this year. Downs is a lefty as well.