Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Spudboy]

Why is this guy still here. He contributes nothing. In every single one of his posts' date=' he is either trolling, attacking a member or both. Mods, enough is enough with this jerk.[/quote']

 

I thought he had been banned.

 

His s*** will be short lived.

[Gom]

Bruney may be heading to the Braves. I'm not sure I believe this one.

[BSN07]

Bruney may be heading to the Braves. I'm not sure I believe this one.

 

It does seem like an odd move. Especially with the rumor of Soriano thinking of excepting arbitration.

 

Of course couldn't ATL cut Soriano even if he does except? Anyone know ?

[Gom]

It does seem like an odd move. Especially with the rumor of Soriano thinking of excepting arbitration.

 

Of course couldn't ATL cut Soriano even if he does except? Anyone know ?

 

They could in spring training, and they would be responsible for a small amount of his salary, but the real killer is that they wouldn't get any picks.

[a700hitter]

I thought he had been banned.

 

His s*** will be short lived.

Nothing informative or interesting has come from him. He's a zero. He needs to go.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/92/2009/december/07/burrell-traded-to-mets.html

 

A site called phillyburbs is reporting that the Rays dealt Pat Burrell to the Cubs, who then traded Burrell to the Mets

[jacksonianmarch]

Bay wanting to sign in Washington puts an interesting spin on things. If he goes to Seattle, then the market for Holliday just exploded

[bsox0407]

Bay wanting to sign in Washington puts an interesting spin on things. If he goes to Seattle' date=' then the market for Holliday just exploded[/quote']

 

Are we sure this is true or is the agent trying drive the price up for the Red Sox or other teams on Bay.

[26 to 6]

I can't prove he did steroids at a certain time. No one can. No one can prove when Arod starting taking roids. Or Giambi. Or Shef. Or Barry.

 

Stop acting like you know everything, you don't know s***. My satisfaction is that your two best players from your championship teams were cheats. Without them, you don't win s***. Hell, you probably don't make the playoffs.

 

You know who hasn't failed a test? Jeter, Mo, Posada, Rivera, and Bernie. You know who has? Arod, Giambi, Clemens, Sheff, Manny, and Papi.

Clemens never failed one lol

 

Can you prove that different approach was taken on David Ortiz?

 

*sigh*

 

Give me hard evidence of the "Different approach" taken on David Ortiz. Or is this an underhanded attempt at bashing him?

:what: Please tell me your not serious, PLEASE. You need evidence that a different approach was taken? Aside from aquiring video of all his ABs during that time frame how about COMMON SENSE. Baseball is a game of adjustments. Pitchers, hitters, everyone is constantly making adjustments. If you pitch someone one way and they hit, you change your approach the next time around. I can't believe you really need "evidence" that the approach to pitching to David Ortiz had changed. That's like asking for evidence that the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth rock. This is a new low, even for you.

 

Do you really think it's tainted, or is that just an attempt to rile the Red Sox fans?

 

I guess I'm in the minority when I say I couldn't care less about steroids.

I'm in the same boat as you, a championship is a championship. The playinjg field was even as it seems every team had a few guys doing it. but when the Yankees users were revealed everyone on this board had a field day calling the Yankes cheats and frauds and claiming that their dynasty run was tainted. We're just returning the favor.

 

Given the amount of known use and the reasonable suspicion of many others, it's hard to find competitive advantage from one team to the next. It was all over, still is in my mind.

I agree with you. But I recall you singing a different tune when it was the Yankees who were in question.

 

Then i'll go ahead and ask:

 

Do you think David Ortiz and Russ Branyan were low-risk/high-reward propositions?

Back to the topic at hand, absolutely.

 

In all seriousness, I guess the Mariners are making moves again. Let's hope (For their sake) that they don't turn out like Sexson, Beltre, Silva, Bedard, etc.

What a nightmare those moves turned out to be. Can't fault their aggressiveness though.

 

Why is this guy still here. He contributes nothing. In every single one of his posts, he is either trolling, attacking a member or both. Mods, enough is enough with this jerk.

As much as it pains me I have to agree with you here. An embarrassment to Yankee fans.

 

Bob Nightengale of USA Today says he wont be surprised if Beltre signs with the Red Sox, if he declines arbitration

I thought Philly was a perfect fit for him until they brought back Polanco. I don't see him fitting well with the Sox. We'll see what happens though.

 

A site called phillyburbs is reporting that the Rays dealt Pat Burrell to the Cubs, who then traded Burrell to the Mets

I'm skeptical.

 

Bruney may be heading to the Braves. I'm not sure I believe this one.

It's almost too good to be true, huh?

 

Are we sure this is true or is the agent trying drive the price up for the Red Sox or other teams on Bay.

I have to think his desire to play in Seattle is genuine.

[26 to 6]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/92/2009/december/07/burrell-traded-to-mets.html

 

A site called phillyburbs is reporting that the Rays dealt Pat Burrell to the Cubs, who then traded Burrell to the Mets

From MLBtr, early this morning Joel Sherman indicated that if the Cubs and Rays worked out a deal the Mets would consider a Luis Castillo for Burrell swap. A little over an hour ago David Lennon of newsday said that the Mets have absolutely no interest in acquiring Burrell, and I don't blame them.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mets-would-consider-burrell.html

[Dipre]

 

 

 

:what: Please tell me your not serious, PLEASE. You need evidence that a different approach was taken? Aside from aquiring video of all his ABs during that time frame how about COMMON SENSE. Baseball is a game of adjustments. Pitchers, hitters, everyone is constantly making adjustments. If you pitch someone one way and they hit, you change your approach the next time around. I can't believe you really need "evidence" that the approach to pitching to David Ortiz had changed. That's like asking for evidence that the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth rock. This is a new low, even for you.

 

 

 

In 2003?

 

Seriously?

 

In 2003?

 

Seriously?

[a700hitter]

Clemens never failed one lol

Why would anyone protect this guy? he threw his wife under the steroid bus, and his best friend and best friend's wife sold him down the river. In a court of law, Clemens would be more likely to get convicted than would Big Papi, because the government can't even tell us the substance for which Papi tested positive.

[jacksonianmarch]

Both are guilty. Next point

[Gom]

WAIT! PAPI thought it was a liquid empanada! He couldn't have known!

 

Not like girly-man Arod, who was getting steroids injected in him while he was still in his mother's womb!

[a700hitter]

Both are guilty. Next point

Correction, practically everyone was guilty, not just the ones who have been exposed. 39 year old closers who never have arm problems and consistently perform at the highest level of excellence are probably enjoying the benefits of more than a healthy diet.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nobody would surprise me. But with Papi, you have a failed drug test, so you have a bit more evidence

[Gom]

I'd actually be surprised if Jeter or Mo or Bernie were found to be cheaters. From the Red Sox champs, I'd be surprised at Schilling and Beckett and Lester.

 

I would actually be surprised if Posada wasn't. Ditto Varitek.

[a700hitter]

Nobody would surprise me. But with Papi' date=' you have a failed drug test, so you have a bit more evidence[/quote']Legally, I'd rather be defending Papi than Clemens. There are a few witnesses that would testify against Clemens plus physical evidence. With Papi, he tested positive for an unidentified banned substance that no one can verify whether or not it was a steroid. There are no witnesses or other evidence.

[Dipre]

WAIT! PAPI thought it was a liquid empanada! He couldn't have known!

 

Not like girly-man Arod, who was getting steroids injected in him while he was still in his mother's womb!

 

You're an idiot.

 

When you learn how to read, maybe people will start taking you seriously. Because of your lack of a functioning brain, i'll spoon-feed it to you:

 

I'm not saying Ortiz didn't do steroids. I'm saying he probably started doing steroids during the end of his tenure in Minnesota and continued during his time with the Red Sox. I'll use smaller words if you can't understand the ones i'm using.

[a700hitter]

I'd actually be surprised if Jeter or Mo or Bernie were found to be cheaters. From the Red Sox champs, I'd be surprised at Schilling and Beckett and Lester.

 

I would actually be surprised if Posada wasn't. Ditto Varitek.

I wouldn't be surprised if any or all of them were to this day taking the nondetectable HGH.

[Dipre]

Mariners begin talks of extension with Felix Hernandez.

 

BSN07 is about to become a very sad fella.

[Gom]

I'm not saying Ortiz didn't do steroids. I'm saying he probably started doing steroids during the end of his tenure in Minnesota and continued during his time with the Red Sox. I'll use smaller words if you can't understand the ones i'm using.

Which is why I think he's a fraud. It's one thing to do it and stand up about it. It's another to preach against it while you're doing it/done it.

 

A cheater is a cheater, but people forgave Pettitte and Giambi a lot faster than other because they came "clean" with it. This isn't a Yankee/Red Sox thing, it's a personal character thing. He's a douche.

 

He does do great things for kids though, so kudos to him for that. Big time kudos.

[Dipre]

No there isn't such a thing. It's a name that FO's have been putting on "longshot" deals to make them more palatable to their owners/management and to their fans. When making an investment as the risk goes up the possible reward goes up. As the risk goes down' date=' so does the reward. Our past low risk/high reward types like Smoltz and Penny were really high risk/high reward. You invest less in those assets because their returns are very speculative. The lower investment doesn't change the risk. They are at a high risk of failing. A low risk investment like a Treasury Bill will have a smaller yield for your money, but there is little risk (at least before Obama) that the government would not payoff on its debt. That is a low risk/low return investment. Most prudent portfolios have more assets invested in low risk investments rather than high risk investments. Mark Texeira is a T-Bill. His return is big but not relative to the huge investment. His return for investment is relatively low. He's low risk low return asset. For every win he gives you, it costs you a lot, but he is fairly certain to produce a lot of wins (i.e. he is low risk). Injured bargain basement guys like Smoltz, etc are high risk because they are likely to produce few if any wins, but if they do produce wins, the yield will be high because little was invested in them. There is no such thing as a low risk/high yield investments. Those are frauds as is this vernacular that Front Offices have adopted to describe low cost- long shot players.[/quote']

 

David Ortiz.

 

Believe it or not' date=' when he was released by the Twins, his past performance gave no indication that he would become the player that he is. The risk that he would be an offensive force at that time was very high. Don't confuse the dollars invested with the risk. Ortiz was High Risk/High Yield. He was one of those rare long shots that came though as a hit. It's like a lottery ticket. Most people would view the $1 lottery ticket as a low risk/high reward investment, because it only costs a dollar. And if you hit the lottery, it reinforces that misconception. A lottery ticket is a very high risk/ high reward asset. To prove the point that the risk is extremely high, most people invest only a minuscule portion of their assets in lottery tickets. Only an idiot heading for bankruptcy would invest most of his assets in lottery tickets. You can't mistake the low dollar amount invested for the risk. The risk is huge which is precisely why the amount invested is small. Ortiz was high risk/high reward. He paid off. Then he became a low risk/low yield asset and the FO accordingly invested a lot of money in a long term contract to keep him.[/quote']

 

Which is why I think he's a fraud. It's one thing to do it and stand up about it. It's another to preach against it while you're doing it/done it.

 

A cheater is a cheater, but people forgave Pettitte and Giambi a lot faster than other because they came "clean" with it. This isn't a Yankee/Red Sox thing, it's a personal character thing. He's a douche.

 

He does do great things for kids though, so kudos to him for that. Big time kudos.

 

This is the context in which David Ortiz came to the conversation.

 

This leads me to two questions:

 

1) What in heaven's name does your opinion that "he's a fraud" have to do with the topic which was being discussed?

 

2) What was the thought process that induced you to turn a perfectly good conversation into a dissertation of your thoughts on David Ortiz (which nobody cares about by the way)?

[riverside sluggers]

Angels open talks with Bay — 1:15 p.m.

 

Boston officials are becoming concerned about their ability to re-sign outfielder Jason Bay.

 

The Angels, looking to fill voids with the expected departure of Chone Figgins to Seattle, have opened talks with Bay. The Red Sox are concerned because the Angels have shown a willingness to make major moves on the free agent market.

 

In addition to losing Figgins, the Angels also could see John Lackey sign elsewhere as a free agent, possibly with Seattle.

 

Bay and Matt Holliday are the prime offensive free agents this offseason. The Angels already announced they would not get involved in talks with Holliday, who is represented by agent Scott Boras. -- Tracy Ringolsby

[jacksonianmarch]

Bay will get offered more than 4yrs for $60 mil. If the Red Sox are intent on having a 30HR 100+RBI LFer/DH, then they better be willing to pony up.

[Gom]

Mariners begin talks of extension with Felix Hernandez.

 

BSN07 is about to become a very sad fella.

 

He was never going anywhere. A case of believing everything you read...even when it doesn't make sense.

[26 to 6]

Why would anyone protect this guy? he threw his wife under the steroid bus' date=' and his best friend and best friend's wife sold him down the river. In a court of law, Clemens would be more likely to get convicted than would Big Papi, because the government can't even tell us the substance for which Papi tested positive.[/quote']

I wasn't defending Clemens, I was just pointing out he never failed a test. We all know he used.

[26 to 6]

I'd actually be surprised if Jeter or Mo or Bernie were found to be cheaters. From the Red Sox champs, I'd be surprised at Schilling and Beckett and Lester.

 

I would actually be surprised if Posada wasn't. Ditto Varitek.

Surprised isn't a strong enough word to describe my reaction if Jeter, Mo, or bernie were found to have been users. I wouldn't be surprised if Schilling used.

 

Ok no more steroids....

[example1]

Mariners begin talks of extension with Felix Hernandez.

 

BSN07 is about to become a very sad fella.

 

Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik had a informal chat today with Alan Nero, the agent for Felix Hernandez. The two plan more serious discussions for later on at these meetings but are really no closer to a deal than they were this time a week ago

 

It's so funny. People seem to be assuming that if the Mariners would just step up and offer Felix what he's worth he will resign, as though his preference for where he plays has no baring on his choice.

 

We know the M's have slighted him and his agent in the past. I know--from living in the Pacific NW--that there is no deep ties between Felix and the Mariners. Nobody here believes that Seattle is the place he would like to pitch more than anywhere or that he is even inclined to sign with them.

 

Am I saying an extension is out of the picture? No, not at all. I'm merely saying that given the substantial amount he's about to make through arbitration and his FA not being far away, and his lack of any strong bond to Seattle, there's no reason to think that "casual discussions" in any way dictate that he's going to sign a huge extension. I don't think that as soon as the Mariners show interest he will be signing the contract.

 

He will warrant CC Sabathia money and I will believe the Mariners will offer that when I see it. Until then "informal discussions" are just that.

[Dipre]

It's so funny. People seem to be assuming that if the Mariners would just step up and offer Felix what he's worth he will resign, as though his preference for where he plays has no baring on his choice.

 

We know the M's have slighted him and his agent in the past. I know--from living in the Pacific NW--that there is no deep ties between Felix and the Mariners. Nobody here believes that Seattle is the place he would like to pitch more than anywhere or that he is even inclined to sign with them.

 

Am I saying an extension is out of the picture? No, not at all. I'm merely saying that given the substantial amount he's about to make through arbitration and his FA not being far away, and his lack of any strong bond to Seattle, there's no reason to think that "casual discussions" in any way dictate that he's going to sign a huge extension. I don't think that as soon as the Mariners show interest he will be signing the contract.

 

He will warrant CC Sabathia money and I will believe the Mariners will offer that when I see it. Until then "informal discussions" are just that.

 

Yeah you keep thinking that.

 

I'll believe he leaves Seattle when he does. Surprising how some people will believe anything to keep their pipe dreams alive.