Bruins 2009-'10 Season Thread

[BoSox21]

Fine, but if you wanna go down that road, it's not as if the Bruins were really considered favorites against the Flyers. It was more or less a toss-up.

[yankees228]

Fine' date=' but if you wanna go down that road, it's not as if the Bruins were really considered favorites against the Flyers. It was more or less a toss-up.[/quote']

 

Again, I made it clear that my comment wasn't about a comparison. I was commenting on only 2004.

[jacksonianmarch]

Regardless, the Bruins are the more recent choke artists. Hey, maybe that means they'll win the cup in 5 yrs?

[WhiskeyBreath]

WOW. Doesn't get worse than that. f***ING CHOKE ARTISTS

[italstallianion]

I remember when Bruins fans were giving me crap earlier in the thread saying that we were done.

[BoSox21]

Regardless' date=' the Bruins are the more recent choke artists. Hey, maybe that means they'll win the cup in 5 yrs?[/quote']

 

Their chances might not be so bad next year if they can stay healthy and get a winger that can score, assuming they draft Taylor Hall. Who knows, maybe they can even get rid of Thomas for something productive.

[Chamomile]

Yes they did' date=' a Yankees of 6 yrs ago. In case you havent noticed, the Yankees are the defending champs right now, so things changed a bit[/quote']

 

Man, winning a World Series sure has made Yankees fans cocky. Doesn't really erase the fact that they've been choke artists five of the last six years in the playoffs though. Or the fact that they're the only team in the history of baseball to lose a series they were up 3-0 in. Brings a smile to my face every time I think about it...

[schillingouttheks]

I remember when Bruins fans were giving me crap earlier in the thread saying that we were done.

 

I remember when you counted your own team out too. Oh well, I was glad that they beat Buffalo. It would have been nice to go to the ECF and they should obviously have been able to protect a 3-0 lead in a pivotal Game 7 but this team was not championship material even to begin with and we knew they had problems. They surpassed any expectations, and now all we have to do is wait for next year's team to get 100% healthy, hopefully actually stay that way, find out which of Hall/Seguin we land, and get a full year of Tuukka. We will be a very, very good team next year.

[schillingouttheks]

Regardless' date=' the Bruins are the more recent choke artists. Hey, maybe that means they'll win the cup in 5 yrs?[/quote']

 

Yes, they're more recent, but for a Yankee fan to mention such an occurrence on a Boston Red Sox board is on par with trying to equate the Bruins' loss to what the Yankees did, which can hardly be done. The Yankees in 2004 were, as 26 to 6 ranted to me minutes after that game 7 loss, "the team that was supposed to go 162-0 and erase our world series drought."

 

The Bruins were a 6 seed, who had no business even being in the round they were. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have been able to close it out, they absolutely choked, but this is nowhere near as significant as what the Yankees did 6 years ago.

 

Aight, let's stay focused on the Bruins. There's a lot of positives that will come out of this off-season. We could be a 1 seed in the east next year.

[italstallianion]

Also, to Schilling's point, the Bruins and Flyers aren't necessarily rivals. I wouldn't consider them rivals at all for that matter. While the Yankees choked against their arch rivals who went on to end their 86 year title drought. Now, if the Flyers went on and won the Stanley Cup, this "upset" might gain recognition. In addition, the 2004 Yankees were a much better team than the 2010 Bruins (no offense), so having a 7 seed upsetting a 6 seed, however the manner, in which they are not rivals, isn't that big, no matter how hard Jacko tries.

 

If that isn't enough, this was in hockey. Baseball is a much bigger sport than hockey and a meltdown in baseball is significantly worse than one in hockey.

[schillingouttheks]

Also, to Schilling's point, the Bruins and Flyers aren't necessarily rivals. I wouldn't consider them rivals at all for that matter. While the Yankees choked against their arch rivals who went on to end their 86 year title drought. Now, if the Flyers went on and won the Stanley Cup, this "upset" might gain recognition. In addition, the 2004 Yankees were a much better team than the 2010 Bruins (no offense), so having a 7 seed upsetting a 6 seed, however the manner, in which they are not rivals, isn't that big, no matter how hard Jacko tries.

 

If that isn't enough, this was in hockey. Baseball is a much bigger sport than hockey and a meltdown in baseball is significantly worse than one in hockey.

 

It's also happened twice already in hockey. Certainly a rarity, but not the first time in the sport's history. And it happened by one of the lower-echelon teams that made the playoffs.

 

I will say that it's possibly the biggest Game 7 collapse though. To take a 3-0 lead (which is very commanding in hockey) and let that slip away in your attempt to stave off a 3-0 series lead collapse is pretty rough.

[TheMino007]

At least we get to look forward to drafting Hall/Seguin. The B's need to try and trade Thomas for a goal scorer. Hopefully Boychuk and Seidenburg are re-signed. Giving Ference that extension was a waste. Good by Blake Wheeler. I think Ryder will be attempted to be moved.

[WhiskeyBreath]

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2010/05/ference_thomas.html

 

Thomas and Ference had surgery.

 

Undergoing hip surgery is sure to put a dent in Thomas' already low trade value.

[Wasatch]

Very disappointed in the Bruins loss, they should have won it easily with the lead in the series and the lead in the game. They were completely doing everything right. Swarimg the puck, closing down the Flyer's at everything, Big Hit's.... Very dsappointed indeed.

[TheMino007]

Fawk Thomas and his hip surgery. He needs to get traded. At least contract negotations have began with Seidenburg

[WhiskeyBreath]

What would it take for the Bruins to swap picks with Edmonton?

[schillingouttheks]

What would it take for the Bruins to swap picks with Edmonton?

 

Why would you want to do that? Either one of them is fine with me. It's not worth giving anything else up to move up to 1 from 2... I have a hunch we'll be getting Hall obviously, and he'll have a major impact. Adding him to a healthy team for 2010-2011, with Tuukka as the starting goalie for the entire year. will make the Bruins quite competitive. I wouldn't put a potential #1 seed in the East past them... obviously unlikely with the likes of Pittsburgh and Washington (with its cupcake division) still around but possible. Were you being sarcastic or were you serious? I'm interested to hear why you want to switch.

[TheMino007]

The Oilers would take Hall, he is clearly the more potent goal scorer. Not say Seguin will be great, but what the B's need is a goal scorer

[Dojji]

I'd be perfectly happy with Seguin. If Hall wasn't on the board everyone would be raving about both Seguin's shot and his playmaking ability. He can score on his own and make those around him better too.

 

Basically the kid is Krejci with better raw tools and speed

 

I would be delighted to have Seguin as a "consolation prize." I think we all will be glad to have him.

[YanksHater213]

I want Hall more than Seguin, as any non-delusional Bruin fan should.

 

Seguin is a great player too, and no one should complain about him as opposed to Hall.

 

The thing that would really excite me is if we take a chance on Kirill Kabanov at 15.

[Dojji]

From what I've heard about him Kabonov makes Kessel look like the consummate team player.

[YanksHater213]

He apparently has an ego, but he's one of the top 5 most talented players in the draft. I think that since we're getting Hall/Seguin at 2, it puts us in the position to take a risk at 15 and try to add another guy with bonafide NHL skills and size who could potentially contribute right away, regardless of his character.

 

His ego and character can be changed, and I honestly don't think you let a guy with this much talent drop past you, especially when you already picked up one of the two best players in the draft.

[italstallianion]

He apparently has an ego, but he's one of the top 5 most talented players in the draft. I think that since we're getting Hall/Seguin at 2, it puts us in the position to take a risk at 15 and try to add another guy with bonafide NHL skills and size who could potentially contribute right away, regardless of his character.

 

His ego and character can be changed, and I honestly don't think you let a guy with this much talent drop past you, especially when you already picked up one of the two best players in the draft.

 

 

Do you really think that?

[YanksHater213]

Everyone's different, so you never know, but I think for a guy of his talent it's well worth the risk.

 

Also I've been hearing rumblings of a #2 + Wheeler for #1 swap to guarantee the Bruins Hall.

[Dojji]

No.

 

Just no. The dropoff between Hall and Seguin isn't worth giving ANYTHING to Edmondton. By the sounds of things, Seguin may turn out to be the better player in the long run and it's hardly as if no "true" center was ever tremendously effective on the wing or anything (*coughBergycough*).

 

This may be self-delusion, but I think Edmondton takes Hall and we wind up absolutely glad they did.

[YanksHater213]

In the long run, Seguin may very well be the guy that benefits the franchise the most, but you look at the short term, the next 5 years, adding a guy with the goal scoring potential of Taylor Hall playing with Savard and maybe Lucic for instance, you have a playmaker, 2 bangers, and a goal scorer, I think you're looking at one of the most dynamic lines you can put together right there.

 

Regardless, I like Hall more, you like Seguin more, it's really apples and oranges, either way we're in a great position without having to make a difficult decision.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Why would you want to do that? Either one of them is fine with me. It's not worth giving anything else up to move up to 1 from 2... I have a hunch we'll be getting Hall obviously' date=' and he'll have a major impact. Adding him to a healthy team for 2010-2011, with Tuukka as the starting goalie for the entire year. will make the Bruins quite competitive. I wouldn't put a potential #1 seed in the East past them... obviously unlikely with the likes of Pittsburgh and Washington (with its cupcake division) still around but possible. Were you being sarcastic or were you serious? I'm interested to hear why you want to switch.[/quote']

 

The reason why you would consider wanting to move up is if your franchise feels one player is clearly going to be the better guy for the franchise in the long run. If they feel that both players are pretty equal and don't feel that it's worth it to move up for one guy then they won't. All I'm saying is I'd rather have them not be afraid to move up for a player they feel is superior.

[Dojji]

In the long run, Seguin may very well be the guy that benefits the franchise the most, but you look at the short term, the next 5 years, adding a guy with the goal scoring potential of Taylor Hall playing with Savard and maybe Lucic for instance, you have a playmaker, 2 bangers, and a goal scorer, I think you're looking at one of the most dynamic lines you can put together right there.

 

Regardless, I like Hall more, you like Seguin more, it's really apples and oranges, either way we're in a great position without having to make a difficult decision.

 

Seguin isn't that far behind Hall as a possible wing. He's not a "pure playmaker," the kid can score just fine, it's just that he's a bit less of a scorer than Hall so the playmaking stands out a bit. And down the road, there's a lot more ways Seguin is going to be useful to the Bruins compared to Hall.

 

The tiebreaker to me is Bergeron's concussion history and expiring contract, and Savvy's age and health. For that matter Krejci's ended both of the last 2 years with a concerning surgery as well (hip last year, wrist this year). Our primary advantage is still the three top-flight centers we can roll when everyone's healthy and we have legitimate, concrete concerns about our ability to keep each of these guys on the ice. Someone who can replace one of those three if we don't get access to them for awhile could very well be franchise-saving. And in that case I'd 1000x rather have Seguin over Hall. There are other wingers who can give us most of Hall. From what I've heard about Seguin, his skillset is much harder to even get 80% of in FA or trade.

 

To put it in baseball terms, Hall is a franchise slugger with GG defense, Adrian Gonzalez type basically, but I see Seguin as a Joe Mauer type franchise catcher analog, fundamentally sound, very, very talented, leader of the entire team in every facet of the game, accounts for a metric crapload of offense in his own right. Dang harder to get either one, both have a skillset that is both rare and incredibly valuable, but there IS an important distinction that's worth calling attention to. This kid is being compared to Stevie Y, and there's a reason for that. Sign me up for Seguin.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Seidenberg signs a 4yr $13MM contract. I'm glad they could bring him back, especially for a fair contract like this. I really expected him to price himself out of town this off-season.

[Dojji]

Better deal than I thought. I still would rather they had not re-signed Ference, but oh well.