I don't want WC

[PWNdroia]

It's going to come back and bite us getting wild card. I just know it. I wish we could have done better and I still think we could have.

 

I partly blame Francona. He never keeps the pitchers in games, he has taken them out and let the bullpen give up runs that they should not have. We have a tired bullpen going into the post season. Beckett has not been the Beckett we need him to be, coincidentely he's only been an ace the one year we won the division. CC Sabathia overall is a better pitcher than Beckett in his career.

 

And don't tell me Beckett is sensational in the playoffs. He's been there only three years, and he had TWO good years. Last year he failed and we only heard of a so-called "injury" after we lost the series. But going into it and all year when he posted an ERA over 4 he was fine. He is NOT the pitcher we think he is. Good yes, but Sabthia is better.

 

When it gets down to game 7 at Yankee Stadium (if we even get by the Yanks to begin with) and it goes into extra innings, I don't see us winning it. If we were at Fenway, it would be a different story.

 

Alright, go and shell me. I posted this all just because I'm mad we couldn't beat the Yankees ONE GAME THIS SERIES. We still have a chance to win the WS, but it just does not seem easily possible. We were down a Curt Schilling last year...

[PWNdroia]

Never mind, sorry for double post.

 

I just wanted to say it's not that bad, I'm over-exaggerating. We can still win. Just had to get all my negativity out of my system. I'm done now.

[WhiskeyBreath]

 

And don't tell me Beckett is sensational in the playoffs. He's been there only three years, and he had TWO good years. Last year he failed and we only heard of a so-called "injury" after we lost the series.

 

rofl

[BoSox21]

Last year he failed and we only heard of a so-called "injury" after we lost the series.

 

From Steve Buckley on September 28th, 2008

 

According to a source, Beckett sustained an oblique injury during a bullpen session following his last start.

 

Asked last night if Beckett is suffering from an oblique injury, a separate Red Sox source said a medical update on Beckett will be announced today, before the team boards its charter flight to California for Wednesday's Game 1 of the American League Division Series against the Los Angeles Angels.

 

yea...really sounds like something they made up as an excuse after they lost...

[Cocos Disciples]

From Steve Buckley on September 28th, 2008

 

 

 

yea...really sounds like something they made up as an excuse after they lost...

 

Seriously. The injury was announced and was the reason why he was pushed back to G3. Such short memories.

[PWNdroia]

Seriously. The injury was announced and was the reason why he was pushed back to G3. Such short memories.

 

But he was fine all season when he got an ERA over 4. No one cried injury BEFORE he went to the playoffs. Therefore I don't discredit his last year post season stats.

 

And if you say it happened after the season ended, well, a 4 ERA is not ace-like.

[Dipre]

But he was fine all season when he got an ERA over 4. No one cried injury BEFORE he went to the playoffs. Therefore I don't discredit his last year post season stats.

 

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[BoSox21]

But he was fine all season when he got an ERA over 4. No one cried injury BEFORE he went to the playoffs. Therefore I don't discredit his last year post season stats.

 

And if you say it happened after the season ended, well, a 4 ERA is not ace-like.

 

But he wasn't fine. You don't remember him visiting Dr. James Andrews for the numbness in his fingers they determined was caused by him sleeping awkwardly? Seriously, get your facts right.

[Cocos Disciples]

But he was fine all season when he got an ERA over 4. No one cried injury BEFORE he went to the playoffs. Therefore I don't discredit his last year post season stats.

 

And if you say it happened after the season ended, well, a 4 ERA is not ace-like.

 

"He wasn't injured before the injury, so is the injury real?"

 

I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't think Beckett's 2008 was disappointing. It was. But in the playoffs, he was obviously hurt. If you're looking for a reason to worry about Beckett, his performance in the past month is a better starting point.

[PWNdroia]

But he wasn't fine. You don't remember him visiting Dr. James Andrews for the numbness in his fingers they determined was caused by him sleeping awkwardly? Seriously' date=' get your facts right.[/quote']

 

Exactly my point. Why didn't he "cry" injury earlier?

 

He waited until the playoffs to do it?

 

That's how I see it... and if that's the case, fire the doctor for throwing away our season.

[Cocos Disciples]

Exactly my point. Why didn't he "cry" injury earlier?

 

He waited until the playoffs to do it?

 

That's how I see it... and if that's the case, fire the doctor for throwing away our season.

Um. Maybe he wasn't injured earlier?

[Dojji]

Exactly my point. Why didn't he "cry" injury earlier?

 

He waited until the playoffs to do it?

 

That's how I see it... and if that's the case, fire the doctor for throwing away our season.

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

The sox getting to the post season and potentially having the second best record in baseball is Francona's fault? There are 30 teams in baseball who would sign up for that on April 1 every yr.

 

This season for the sox was really managed well IMO. To be honest with you, everyone knows Francona is an awful in game manager. But look at the adversity he had to overcome.

 

His best hitter was an automatic out for 2 months. His best power threat outside of Papi took 2 months off as well in Bay. He had 2 pitchers in the rotation go down for extended periods of time during a hot pennant and wild card chase, only to see one come back recently and another come back lame and useless. The top 2 contenders for the #5 slot in the rotation are now pitching in the NL. A rookie was holding down the #3 spot in the rotation for a little while, while a japanese rookie got a few starts. The sox SS position was held down by Nick Green for 3 months. JD Drew was hitting .230 or only up until about a month or so ago. And Jason Varitek became the worst hitter in the major leagues almost overnight. Nothing went swimmingly for the 2009 Boston Red Sox. Their offense was feast or famine. Their rotation was really 2 men deep until recently. Their bullpen was ridiculous up until recently as well. But when you have that much turnover in a rotation, you shouldnt make the playoffs. The poise Lester and Beckett had when they both knew they really couldnt lose, and the poise that Buchholz had to lock up a spot in the rotation when he was really the last chance shows something. The team was focused through adversity and didnt let their failures tear the team apart. And that has everything to do with the manager. I know you might not like Tito in game. But without Tito this yr, this team finishes a few games over .500 and out of the playoffs IMO.

[PWNdroia]

Um. Maybe he wasn't injured earlier?

 

Then his 4 ERA can tell you he wasn't an ace.

 

I sensed Ortiz's decline from the start, it was evident after his injuries. Tek was horrible in 07 as well, so that didn't change. And Drew, he's either really good or really bad, and he hits in the most inopportune times.

 

And I have no idea what that baby pic was, but I was laughing at it the whole time (and at the facepalm one). Thanks for making it a hilarious thread!

[Cocos Disciples]

Then his 4 ERA can tell you he wasn't an ace.

 

Okay. I'm pretty sure I said that in my other post.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Then his 4 ERA can tell you he wasn't an ace.

 

I sensed Ortiz's decline from the start, it was evident after his injuries. Tek was horrible in 07 as well, so that didn't change. And Drew, he's either really good or really bad, and he hits in the most inopportune times.

 

And I have no idea what that baby pic was, but I was laughing at it the whole time (and at the facepalm one). Thanks for making it a hilarious thread!

 

No, thank you!

[PWNdroia]

Okay. I'm pretty sure I said that in my other post.

 

My point is that a 3.80 ERA isn't ace-like either. Jon Lester is better than this guy (at least he has been the past two years).

[PWNdroia]

No' date=' thank you![/quote']

 

Your welcome. And no, I'm not being sarcastic!

[jacksonianmarch]

Hence why Lester is starting game 1 of the playoffs. Dude, you need to chill and actually enjoy the fact that your team is gonna be in the playoffs for a 3rd yr in a row. 2006 must be pretty far from your memory. Nothing sucked more than not watching playoff baseball in the Bronx last yr. I would have taken a guaranteed WC ticket in the offseason.

[Cocos Disciples]

My point is that a 3.80 ERA isn't ace-like either. Jon Lester is better than this guy (at least he has been the past two years).

 

I also agree. But I feel pretty confident with Beckett in Game 2.

[Dojji]

The sox getting to the post season and potentially having the second best record in baseball is Francona's fault? There are 30 teams in baseball who would sign up for that on April 1 every yr.

 

This season for the sox was really managed well IMO. To be honest with you, everyone knows Francona is an awful in game manager. But look at the adversity he had to overcome.

 

His best hitter was an automatic out for 2 months. His best power threat outside of Papi took 2 months off as well in Bay. He had 2 pitchers in the rotation go down for extended periods of time during a hot pennant and wild card chase, only to see one come back recently and another come back lame and useless. The top 2 contenders for the #5 slot in the rotation are now pitching in the NL. A rookie was holding down the #3 spot in the rotation for a little while, while a japanese rookie got a few starts. The sox SS position was held down by Nick Green for 3 months. JD Drew was hitting .230 or only up until about a month or so ago. And Jason Varitek became the worst hitter in the major leagues almost overnight. Nothing went swimmingly for the 2009 Boston Red Sox. Their offense was feast or famine. Their rotation was really 2 men deep until recently. Their bullpen was ridiculous up until recently as well. But when you have that much turnover in a rotation, you shouldnt make the playoffs. The poise Lester and Beckett had when they both knew they really couldnt lose, and the poise that Buchholz had to lock up a spot in the rotation when he was really the last chance shows something. The team was focused through adversity and didnt let their failures tear the team apart. And that has everything to do with the manager. I know you might not like Tito in game. But without Tito this yr, this team finishes a few games over .500 and out of the playoffs IMO.

 

Either someone hijacked Jacko's computer, or he couldn't resist a chance to deliver so many backhanded complements to the Sox at once.

[PWNdroia]

I also agree. But I feel pretty confident with Beckett in Game 2.

 

I do too actually, so long as he doesn't become the boy who cries "injury" again.

 

But you're right. I do need to chill. Which is why I said in my rant on the second post that I just had to get it all out. I'm feeling a bit better now.

[BoSox21]

I do too actually' date=' so long as he doesn't become the boy who cries "injury" again.[/quote']

 

Show me quotes from Beckett where he played his playoff ineffectiveness on his torn oblique.

[PWNdroia]

Show me quotes from Beckett where he played his playoff ineffectiveness on his torn oblique.

 

I don't get what you're saying... are you saying the injury wasn't the reason he failed in the playoffs? If so, you'd be agreeing with me, because that's what I've been saying all along. Or at least he didn't blame the injury, therefore he really did accept failure.

 

But no, I don't have any quotes.

 

But for all we know he could do well this year. We don't know...

[jacksonianmarch]

I watched Beckett tear through NY in 2003. I watched him tear through the AL in 2007. He is not the kind of guy who cries especially when the chips were on the line. If you want to say he was faking it, then how do you explain the drop in velocity? His velocity was a good 3-5mph slower in the playoffs than it was pre announced injury?

[PWNdroia]

I watched Beckett tear through NY in 2003. I watched him tear through the AL in 2007. He is not the kind of guy who cries especially when the chips were on the line. If you want to say he was faking it' date=' then how do you explain the drop in velocity? His velocity was a good 3-5mph slower in the playoffs than it was pre announced injury?[/quote']

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is wouldn't it makes sense if he said something rather than pitch for his team and do poorly?

[BoSox21]

I don't get what you're saying... are you saying the injury wasn't the reason he failed in the playoffs? If so, you'd be agreeing with me, because that's what I've been saying all along. Or at least he didn't blame the injury, therefore he really did accept failure.

 

But no, I don't have any quotes.

 

But for all we know he could do well this year. We don't know...

 

I meant to say show me quotes where he blamed his ineffectiveness on the injury.

[jacksonianmarch]

once again, you can put words together, but it doesnt mean they make sense. Are you trying to say that he shouldnt have pitched if he was injured?

[Dipre]

Either someone hijacked Jacko's computer' date=' or he couldn't resist a chance to deliver so many backhanded complements to the Sox at once.[/quote']

 

I'll take number 2 for four hundred.

[jacksonianmarch]

The season is essentially over and its time to reflect on the season. And even though the yankees were clearly the better team through 162, the sox were a hell of a team and will be in the playoffs. It isnt their fault that they are in the same division as NY. They do get some credit. Actually, the sox remind me of the 2008 yankees with all their injuries and ineffectiveness to the pitching staff.