Red Sox Re-Acquire Alex Gonzalez

[Dojji]

Tells you a lot about the available SS and why it was better to just go get a stopgap.

 

Kinda, yeah

[a700hitter]

We're all frustrated with the SS ordeal, Theo probably more than any of us. No one likes churning replacement level players through a team when they're trying to win it all.

 

Bearing in mind that Theo nearly resigned over the trading away of Hanley Ramirez, are you guys ever going to suggest ANYONE who would actually have solved the problem well enough that Theo's actually culpable for this mess? or are you just going to grouse?

So, now you are defending Theo by arguing that he almost cost the Red Sox the 2007 World Champioship by opposing the Beckett trade.

 

As for the naming of names demand, I always find that amusing. How the hell are we supposed to know who is available. You guys ask that question like we are insiders, and you assume because you have not read that a player is available that he is not available. These assumptions are as absurd as the hypothetical trades that are posted in the offseason. Theo needed a SS and he got AGon who sucks. He should have knocked on a few more doors and made a better deal. Period. If he tried and every door was slammed in his face, he's still to blame, because he put the team in this position. He can't blame it on being blind-sided by injuries. He started the season with Lugo and Lowrie. Lugo was injured and he has been below average when healthy. Lowrie is a rookie who has never played a full major league season, not even as a bench player, and he had injury problems. The contingency plan was Nick Green? It was a piss poor plan. He gets an F for his SS planning.

[Dojji]

So' date=' now you are defending Theo by arguing that he almost cost the Red Sox the 2007 World Champioship by opposing the Beckett trade.[/quote']

 

You could grow 5 acres of crops on that much BS and cause a tsunami with that level of spin.

 

As for the naming of names demand, I always find that amusing. How the hell are we supposed to know who is available. You guys ask that question like we are insiders, and you assume because you have not read that a player is available that he is not available. These assumptions are as absurd as the hypothetical trades that are posted in the offseason.

 

In other words you want to blame Theo for not finding a long term solution at SS but you have not even the faintest, foggiest, remotest of ideas who he might have obtained that would have been better than the guys he DID obtain.

 

In other words, this falls under the "Just Grousing" category.

 

Theo needed a SS and he got AGon who sucks. He should have knocked on a few more doors and made a better deal. Period. If he tried and every door was slammed in his face, he's still to blame, because he put the team in this position. He can't blame it on being blind-sided by injuries. He started the season with Lugo and Lowrie. Lugo was injured and he has been below average when healthy. Lowrie is a rookie who has never played a full major league season, not even as a bench player, and he had injury problems. The contingency plan was Nick Green? It was a piss poor plan. He gets an F for his SS planning.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously unless you name, if not the one he had to get, at least a group of SS he could have gotten. I'm sure Theo agrees with you he should have gotten a better SS -- if he could actually find one that was a fit.

 

If you can't find a specific player he should have gone for then all you're doing is complaining for it's own sake. Which is, you know, fine, but don't expect the rest of us to take that particularly seriously.

[redsoxrules]

Gonzalez f***ing sucks and he's not the defender he used to be

five fifty f***ing seven OPS this year , just brilliant

I prefer to have Green in the lineup

 

it makes no sense that he made this move

[a700hitter]

You could grow 5 acres of crops on that much BS and cause a tsunami with that level of spin.

You are the one who tried to defend Theo by pointing to the fact that he didn't want to trade Hanley Ramirez. How can you give him credit for Hanley when he didn't draft him, and we got Beckett for Hanley. It was a tooopid defense.

In other words you want to blame Theo for not finding a long term solution at SS but you have not even the faintest' date=' foggiest, remotest of ideas who he might have obtained that would have been better than the guys he DID obtain.[/quote']O'Cab slipped right through his fingers. There is one. Some people have mentioned Peralta, but I don't put much stock in what people speculate about. Neither you nor I have any idea who was available, but one thing that is universally true is that anyone is available for the right price. The Red Sox have money and they have a well-stocked farm. Theo didn't want to pay the price. Was that the right decision? I don't know and neither do you, but even if it was the right decision on July 31st, it doesn't absolve him of the F grade, because he had from October 2008 to solve the SS problem and he didn't. I guess there haven't been any SS's available in the past year. And no I'm not gonna name names.

[BoSox21]

id love to know how many people here complaining that he isnt the SS he used to be in 2006 and that he's lost a step has actually seen him play since he left Boston

[Dipre]

id love to know how many people here complaining that he isnt the SS he used to be in 2006 and that he's lost a step has actually seen him play since he left Boston

 

That's true.

 

You can try to go by metrics, but he's played so little it'd be a SSS.

[a700hitter]

id love to know how many people here complaining that he isnt the SS he used to be in 2006 and that he's lost a step has actually seen him play since he left Boston

 

But he couldn't hit when he was here. Should we believe that he has improved?

[Dipre]

But he couldn't hit when he was here. Should we believe that he has improved?

 

He's talking about defense.

[TheKilo]

id love to know how many people here complaining that he isnt the SS he used to be in 2006 and that he's lost a step has actually seen him play since he left Boston

 

WATCH THE GAMEEZZZZZ

[Rdsxmbnt]

Any chance we can get Lou Merloni or POKEY Reese back to play 2B?

[a700hitter]

He's talking about defense.

He's going to bat too. We are replacing one black hole in the lineup for another.

[Dipre]

He's going to bat too. We are replacing one black hole in the lineup for another.

 

I'll take the black hole who can make plays please.

 

 

"If you were to choose between two evils, always choose the lesser one".

[TedWilliams101]

I'll take the black hole who can make plays please.

 

 

"If you were to choose between two evils, always choose the lesser one".

 

Problem is that if he continues to struggle at the plate anywhere near as bad as he has this season, then he isn't as valuable as Green.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He's not better than Nick Green' date=' he's not better than Jed Lowrie, who by all accounts will be back in a few weeks.[/quote']

 

Overall, he's not better than Nick Green. Gonzalez can field better than Green. He wasn't acquired for his bat.

 

As for Lowrie, he hit the DL again shortly after coming back from a lengthy stint on there. I think Theo's concerned about how he'll hold up the rest of the way.

 

Anyone calling this an upgrade is fooling themselves, he sucked in 2006. He has a .258 OBP this season.

 

No kidding, anyone who's not up in arms about this move knows that he can't hit.

 

Anyone advocating Gonzalez over Peralta is a damned fool.

 

People were doing this?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Problem is that if he continues to struggle at the plate anywhere near as bad as he has this season' date=' then he isn't as valuable as Green.[/quote']

What part of 'he wasn't acquired for his bat' isn't sticking? He was acquired for defense. I don't think the FO cares at all what he does at the plate as long as he defends well.

[cobra24]

Man, he is still trying to defend Gonzalez? I guess we will all see how bad he is after tonights game.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Man' date=' he is still trying to defend Gonzalez? I guess we will all see how bad he is after tonights game.[/quote']

Why do I think that he'll go 0-4 and everyone will come in and say 'see? HE SUCKS!', as if I've ever denied that he's a terrible hitter?

[cobra24]

Why do I think that he'll go 0-4 and everyone will come in and say 'see? HE SUCKS!'' date=' as if I've ever denied that he's a terrible hitter?[/quote']

 

Im not.. but i do think its pretty awesome that you have been sticking up for him for the past two days... I really hope he does well, because they are going to need it.

[italstallianion]

As long as he doesn't throw a ball into the stands then I'm cool with him.

[Gom]

I wonder, in all seriousness, if they'd DH for Gonzalez and let certain pitchers hit.

[The_Destroyah]

I wonder' date=' in all seriousness, if they'd DH for Gonzalez and let certain pitchers hit.[/quote']

 

I'd lobby for a Beckett PH for Gonz lol.

[example1]

O'Cab slipped right through his fingers. There is one.

 

You're wrong. Letting Cabrera go gave Theo draft picks that were used to get Ellsbury and Lowrie.

 

I think this is actually a really stupid discussion. So much second guessing and grass-is-greenering.

 

Giving out F grades and harsh criticism for the SS situation on a team that has won more than 95 games in 5 of the past 6 years, with 2 World Series and 2 ALCS losses seems like the ultimate in elitist fandom.

 

A700, you talk about your experience with this team sucking for much of your life, of the difficulties of being a Red Sox fan in the past when this team disappointed you to no end, yet here we sit, with a very good team, a very good franchise and plenty of reason for optimism, and you're talking about the SS position as if there are either obvious answers or as if the job is an easy one.

 

Every team has holes. Every GM has imperfections and weak spots upon examination of their past teams. The Yankees spend nearly twice as much as the Red Sox do and their bullpen has, except for Rivera, been pretty bad most years recently, their starting pitching suspect. They have had a lineup full of potential hall of famers yet they too missed the playoffs and don't have WS under their name this decade. Should we list every team and their persistent imperfections? Mets, Dodgers, Cubs, White Sox, Mariners? Are there teams you would rather be watching every day?

 

Yeah, it is too bad they haven't been able to find their permenant SS but to pretend that someone would be available NOW, or even in the past year or two is absurd.

 

You think there are lots of secret deals lying under the surface that we all would have accepted? You think Theo had access to, say, Stephen Drew or Troy Tulowitzki or Jose Reyes and didn't pull the trigger? I think he didn't pull the trigger because they are not available. I think we have seen what is available coming through BOston like a revolving door. Just like when the Yankees continue to struggle to upgrade their bullpen or starting pitching in years past, it wasn't for lack of trying, it was for lack of available talent. These GMs aren't kings sitting on their throne's able to demand talent like mutton.

 

You refuse to give Theo the benefit of the doubt in just about every situation. Do you actually believe that he thinks Gonz is a better SS option than Tulo or Jeter or Reyes or Hanley? Of course he knows who the better players are and of course he covets them, but not at the expense of other positions.

 

I would say that their success without the presence of a franchise SS indicates something important about the SS position; namely, that perhaps a patch-work approach to the shortstop position is a tenible option in the absence of that franchise player.

 

I say we all should just hope that the SS the Sox need comes along in the near future. Nobody here is pretending that Gonzalez is the answer. He's clearly not. He's not Theo's answer, he's just another guy to have around who can field the ball and who has played SS in the past.

 

I see no reason to think that if there were a better option available that Theo wouldn't have gone after him.

 

**Let example1 as FO dogboy posts commence**

[The_Destroyah]

You're wrong. Letting Cabrera go gave Theo draft picks that were used to get Ellsbury and Lowrie.

 

I think this is actually a really stupid discussion. So much second guessing and grass-is-greenering.

 

Giving out F grades and harsh criticism for the SS situation on a team that has won more than 95 games in 5 of the past 6 years, with 2 World Series and 2 ALCS losses seems like the ultimate in elitist fandom.

 

A700, you talk about your experience with this team sucking for much of your life, of the difficulties of being a Red Sox fan in the past when this team disappointed you to no end, yet here we sit, with a very good team, a very good franchise and plenty of reason for optimism, and you're talking about the SS position as if there are either obvious answers or as if the job is an easy one.

 

Every team has holes. Every GM has imperfections and weak spots upon examination of their past teams. The Yankees spend nearly twice as much as the Red Sox do and their bullpen has, except for Rivera, been pretty bad most years recently, their starting pitching suspect. They have had a lineup full of potential hall of famers yet they too missed the playoffs and don't have WS under their name this decade. Should we list every team and their persistent imperfections? Mets, Dodgers, Cubs, White Sox, Mariners? Are there teams you would rather be watching every day?

 

Yeah, it is too bad they haven't been able to find their permenant SS but to pretend that someone would be available NOW, or even in the past year or two is absurd.

 

You think there are lots of secret deals lying under the surface that we all would have accepted? You think Theo had access to, say, Stephen Drew or Troy Tulowitzki or Jose Reyes and didn't pull the trigger? I think he didn't pull the trigger because they are not available. I think we have seen what is available coming through BOston like a revolving door. Just like when the Yankees continue to struggle to upgrade their bullpen or starting pitching in years past, it wasn't for lack of trying, it was for lack of available talent. These GMs aren't kings sitting on their throne's able to demand talent like mutton.

 

You refuse to give Theo the benefit of the doubt in just about every situation. Do you actually believe that he thinks Gonz is a better SS option than Tulo or Jeter or Reyes or Hanley? Of course he knows who the better players are and of course he covets them, but not at the expense of other positions.

 

I would say that their success without the presence of a franchise SS indicates something important about the SS position; namely, that perhaps a patch-work approach to the shortstop position is a tenible option in the absence of that franchise player.

 

I say we all should just hope that the SS the Sox need comes along in the near future. Nobody here is pretending that Gonzalez is the answer. He's clearly not. He's not Theo's answer, he's just another guy to have around who can field the ball and who has played SS in the past.

 

I see no reason to think that if there were a better option available that Theo wouldn't have gone after him.

 

**Let example1 as FO dogboy posts commence**

 

This. very very well posted sir.

[Looch Ness Monster]

Edit: Nvm

[schillingouttheks]

Why do you think your opinion is that of God and that people honestly care about you enough for their first reaction to a bad debut to be to badger you. You're not important. At all.

 

Well I'm pretty sure that goes up on the board as possibly the first 3-day ban.

[Looch Ness Monster]

Well I'm pretty sure that goes up on the board as possibly the first 3-day ban.

 

If that's worthy of any ban then I won't be back to the site period. :dunno: If not though I'll continue posting, I like the site.

 

Anyways so that this doesn't digress I think Gonzalez will be a decent addition but I'm still weary of his defense and his offense doesn't really have any upside at all. There wasn't much else out there though, realistically.

[schillingouttheks]

If that's worthy of any ban then I won't be back to the site period. :dunno: If not though I'll continue posting, I like the site.

 

Anyways so that this doesn't digress I think Gonzalez will be a decent addition but I'm still weary of his defense and his offense doesn't really have any upside at all. There wasn't much else out there though, realistically.

 

I mean, we've announced about fifty million times over the past week that personal insults will not be tolerated period and that we'll be decreasing our leniency because of the s*** storms that have started recently because of the types of comments that involve the one you just made. The "Rules" thread has been advertised in about every forum so that people know to change the way they post. Believe it or not, you are the first person to bait someone in that manner since these rules went into effect.

[Looch Ness Monster]

Fine, then I'll delete the post?

[schillingouttheks]

That's up to yeszir whenever he gets back. Just don't do it anymore and I'll let you know.