Red Sox Put in Waiver Claim on Nats SS Guzman

[The_Destroyah]

LOL.

 

We wouldn't even use 9 of our top 20 to get HanRam and Gonzo.

 

i was exagerrating but spending money seems alot smarter than spending prospects if you can do it. so i guess my questions are A) what prospects do we send away (hypothetically) if we were to get Gonzo and HanRam? and B ) what corner inf. are on the FA market this off season?

[Dipre]

i was exagerrating but spending money seems alot smarter than spending prospects if you can do it. so i guess my questions are A) what prospects do we send away (hypothetically) if we were to get Gonzo and HanRam? and B ) what corner inf. are on the FA market this off season?

 

First basemen

Rich Aurilia (38)

Russell Branyan (34)

Miguel Cairo (36)

Frank Catalanotto (36) - $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout

Tony Clark (38)

Carlos Delgado (38)

Nomar Garciaparra (36)

Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option

Eric Hinske (32)

Nick Johnson (31)

Adam LaRoche (30)

Doug Mientkiewicz (36)

Kevin Millar (38)

Chad Tracy (30) - $7MM option with a $1MM buyout

Daryle Ward (35)

Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in '09

 

Third basemen

Rich Aurilia (38)

Adrian Beltre (31)

Geoff Blum (37)

Aaron Boone (37)

Craig Counsell (39)

Joe Crede (32)

Pedro Feliz (35) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Chone Figgins (32)

Nomar Garciaparra (36)

Troy Glaus (33)

Mike Lamb (34)

Melvin Mora (38) - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Pablo Ozuna (35)

Robb Quinlan (33)

Juan Uribe (31)

 

The amount of suck in the corners is palpable.

 

I have a crazy-ass idea, but i think people would chew me up BSN07 style if i proposed it.

[Cocos Disciples]

 

I have a crazy-ass idea, but i think people would chew me up BSN07 style if i proposed it.

 

Well now you have to get up in front of the class and share.

[The_Destroyah]

I like Chone Figgins but he isnt middle of the order how about Adrian Beltre? too bad Carlos Delgado is older than dinosaur s***...and please Dipre tell me this crazy-ass idea (I promise to be open minded about it)

[Keeper]

Yeah, I want to hear it as well.

[Dipre]

I'm starting to think Ellsbury won't live up to the press clipping so here's my idea.

 

 

Ellsbury + (3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to Florida for Hanley

 

Anderson + ( 3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to San Diego for Gonzales.

 

Sign Figgins to play CF

 

Sign Holliday

 

Sign Lackey

 

Release V-Tek.

 

Trade Lowell even for a bag of potato chips.

 

 

 

Lineup:

 

Pedey (Yeah man the f*** up we need OBP from the 1-spot)

Drew

Youk

Gonzales

Ramirez

Martinez

Bay/Holliday

Papi (Yeah you suck now)

Figgins

 

Rotation:

 

Becks

Lester

Lackey

Dice-K

Bucholz/Tazawa

 

It would take balls to have an off-season like this.

 

Cashman would pull it off, and we could re-stock the farm quickly.

[Keeper]

That lineup would be sick as f***.

[The_Destroyah]

I'm starting to think Ellsbury won't live up to the press clipping so here's my idea.

 

 

Ellsbury + (3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to Florida for Hanley

 

Anderson + ( 3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to San Diego for Gonzales.

 

Sign Figgins to play CF

 

Sign Holliday

 

Sign Lackey

 

Release V-Tek.

 

Trade Lowell even for a bag of potato chips.

 

 

 

Lineup:

 

Pedey (Yeah man the f*** up we need OBP from the 1-spot)

Drew

Youk

Gonzales

Ramirez

Martinez

Bay/Holliday

Papi (Yeah you suck now)

Figgins

 

Rotation:

 

Becks

Lester

Lackey

Dice-K

Bucholz/Tazawa

 

It would take balls to have an off-season like this.

 

Cashman would pull it off, and we could re-stock the farm quickly.

 

 

doubt it happens but i like it alot only one thing though, why not put Figgins to lead off?

[Dipre]

That lineup would be sick as f***.

 

It would take BALLS to assemble such a team.

 

See, my problem with Theo's philosophy (as much as i value prospects, i follow them like a religion), is that, as a team with nearly limitless monetary resources, you need to be able to recognize the fact that re-stocking the farm system is not an impossible task.

 

Dealing 2 packages of minor league players for lineup fixtures is not a stupid idea as long as you can solidify the team long enough for the next wave of prospects to come in.

 

Think about it.

 

This team is OLD.

 

New blood is needed, and needed now.

 

Dealing a load of prospects for 2 guys who will stay on this team for multiple years and who are proven performers (Elite performers in Hanley's case) is building for the future.

 

Because, after all, prospects are just that, prospects.

[Keeper]

That's sound, especially when you consider how young Gonzo and Hanley still are. Holliday is also still in his prime.

[The_Destroyah]

It would take BALLS to assemble such a team.

 

See, my problem with Theo's philosophy (as much as i value prospects, i follow them like a religion), is that, as a team with nearly limitless monetary resources, you need to be able to recognize the fact that re-stocking the farm system is not an impossible task.

 

Dealing 2 packages of minor league players for lineup fixtures is not a stupid idea as long as you can solidify the team long enough for the next wave of prospects to come in.

 

Think about it.

 

This team is OLD.

 

New blood is needed, and needed now.

 

Dealing a load of prospects for 2 guys who will stay on this team for multiple years and who are proven performers (Elite performers in Hanley's case) is building for the future.

 

Because, after all, prospects are just that, prospects.

 

agreed, Prospects are important to restock the team whether it be through trades or callups and unfortunately you dont always have time to wait for a Bucholtz to preform like he is predicted to.

[Dipre]

Theo needs to re-plant his strategy.

 

While it may be true that Teixeira wanted to go to New York (we don't really know and never will), his resistance to trading away prospects for young, proven talent is wearing on the core of this team.

 

He had a chance to get Gonzo, and didn't, in fact, had he sacked the f*** up, he might have been able to get Martinez, Lee AND Gonzales without even giving up 6 of this teams' 10 top prospects.

[The_Destroyah]

Theo needs to re-plant his strategy.

 

While it may be true that Teixeira wanted to go to New York (we don't really know and never will), his resistance to trading away prospects for young, proven talent is wearing on the core of this team.

 

He had a chance to get Gonzo, and didn't, in fact, had he sacked the f*** up, he might have been able to get Martinez, Lee AND Gonzales without even giving up 6 of this teams' 10 top prospects.

if so i really dont want to know about it...that will haunt me forever

[Keeper]

LaRoche plus 2 prospects probably could have landed Gonzo. That would have been a steal for the Sox. Instead... Casey Kotchman?

[Dipre]

LaRoche plus 2 prospects probably could have landed Gonzo. That would have been a steal for the Sox. Instead... Casey Kotchman?

 

Lol no.

 

To get Gonzo you gotta talk about 4 legitimate, 6-year-under-control prospects.

 

However, he could have been a throw-in in the Martinez-Lee deal.

[Keeper]

I'm not so sure. The White Sox got Peavy without giving up a lot. I think you're giving the Padres FO too much credit.

[Dipre]

I'm not so sure. The White Sox got Peavy without giving up a lot. I think you're giving the Padres FO too much credit.

 

They didn't have much leverage with Peavy.

 

They do with Gonzo.

[Soxfan1]

Guzman isn't the savior to this season. Don't waste our time, money and future on someone like him.

[The_Destroyah]

I'm not so sure. The White Sox got Peavy without giving up a lot. I think you're giving the Padres FO too much credit.

 

Gonzo will most definitely cost a kings ransom...

[italstallianion]

Gonzo costs a whole lot less, so the Padres didn't need to get rid of him. The Padres needed to get rid of Peavy's salary and as such, couldn't require a larger return. With Gonzalez, the salary pressure isn't there, so the Padres can command (rightfully so) a larger return than they could for Peavy.

[The_Destroyah]

I honestly think that Gonzo could put up ridiculous numbers in fenway, even with the difference in pitching between the leagues i think Gonzo would put up numbers somewhat close to Pujols

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly think that Gonzo could put up ridiculous numbers in fenway' date=' even with the difference in pitching between the leagues i think Gonzo would put up numbers somewhat close to Pujols[/quote']

 

That is an absolutely ridiculous pipe dream. Pujols is the best player on the planet. Gonzalez is a high OBP, high power guy, but not a big time average guy.

[Dipre]

That is an absolutely ridiculous pipe dream. Pujols is the best player on the planet. Gonzalez is a high OBP' date=' high power guy, but not a big time average guy.[/quote']

 

I think he meant power-wise.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm starting to think Ellsbury won't live up to the press clipping so here's my idea.

 

 

Ellsbury + (3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to Florida for Hanley

 

Anderson + ( 3 high level and 1 mid level prospect) to San Diego for Gonzales.

 

Sign Figgins to play CF

 

Sign Holliday

 

Sign Lackey

 

Release V-Tek.

 

Trade Lowell even for a bag of potato chips.

 

 

 

Lineup:

 

Pedey (Yeah man the f*** up we need OBP from the 1-spot)

Drew

Youk

Gonzales

Ramirez

Martinez

Bay/Holliday

Papi (Yeah you suck now)

Figgins

 

Rotation:

 

Becks

Lester

Lackey

Dice-K

Bucholz/Tazawa

 

It would take balls to have an off-season like this.

 

Cashman would pull it off, and we could re-stock the farm quickly.

 

 

You wouldnt restock the farm too quickly because you wont have a first or second rounder. Also, that would add something like 50 mil to payroll in one season. Also, I dont know if the sox have the prospects to get both Hanley AND Gonzalez in the same offseason. As cool as it sounds, it wont happen.

[The_Destroyah]

That is an absolutely ridiculous pipe dream. Pujols is the best player on the planet. Gonzalez is a high OBP' date=' high power guy, but not a big time average guy.[/quote']

 

I did mean power-wise and you should also look at the key words "somewhat close" all that really means is that they are atleast comparable...I know Pujols is better I just think Gonzo has great potential away from the garbage stadium he now plays in esspecially if he plays at a place like Fenway or Yankee Stadium (although the Yankees have absolutely no need of a corner inf.)

[jacksonianmarch]

Pujols has Adrian by 200 points in OPS. Thats like saying Brett Gardner can play like Matt Holliday.

[Dipre]

Pujols has Adrian by 200 points in OPS. Thats like saying Brett Gardner can play like Matt Holliday.

 

OBP?

 

Petco park?

[jacksonianmarch]

OBP?

 

Petco park?

 

Adrian is a great ballplayer. I am just commenting on the ridiculous notion that he will put up Pujols type numbers in Fenway.

[Dipre]

Adrian is a great ballplayer. I am just commenting on the ridiculous notion that he will put up Pujols type numbers in Fenway.

 

Power numbers.

 

Pujols' OBP and average cannot be replicated.

 

However, as far as raw XBH power goes, i firmly believe Gonzo could replicate a Pujols-type season at Fenway.

[The_Destroyah]

Pujols has Adrian by 200 points in OPS. Thats like saying Brett Gardner can play like Matt Holliday.

 

I dont think that is a valid comparison but whatever.

aside from Pujols how many 1st basemen do you think are better than Gonzo when you take in ballpark, division, team, etc. into account?