Mets turn down Halladay deal!

[High Mileage]

"That rumor's out there right now, but I'm not going to comment about rumors," Minaya said of the Halladay report.

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Oh. Well in that case, f*** that s***. Ricciardi is in a good spot - he doesn't need or necessarily even want to get rid of him, and he's perfectly content having Halladay stay. It's a win-win for him - either he gets to keep one of the top pitchers in baseball, or he hauls in quite the package to unload him.

 

As far as Halladay's right to demand a trade goes, most GMs allow a negotiating window. This seems like one of those rare circumstances where that option could very well be put into play if Halladay doesn't win this year wherever he goes or just doesn't like it. If a team had the opportunity to extend him, it would probably be better for all parties involved. If Ricciardi is that satisfied with keeping Halladay in Toronto, more power to him.

Exactly, Ricciardi is in a great spot here. And honestly I think there's a better chance he keeps Halladay, unless he's overwhelmed with an incredible package.

 

But all this talk about Halladay being able to demand a trade after this season if he is moved is being blown out of proportion, IMO. He has a no trade, and must approve a deal to any team. Why would he approve a deal to a team he doesn't want to play for and would only demand they trade him 3-4 months later?

[jacksonianmarch]

so he could get into a playoff race for the first time in a his life then have the leverage to move on if he doesnt like it

[yankeessuck013]

I dont think the Mets can add salary. There owners have been hit hard in the $$$ department

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I dont think the Mets can add salary. There owners have been hit hard in the $$$ department

Wilpon's got plenty of money in his own personal fortune. If he really wants to add Halladay and make a run money wouldn't stop him. If they weren't so decimated by injuries as it is the addition of Halladay could really push them over the top. Unfortunately if they added him now, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Teddyballgame10]

The Mets are dead set on not trading Fernando Martinez.

 

I dont think the Mets can add salary. There owners have been hit hard in the $$$ department

 

Yea I think they said that about Lastings Milledge to. f***ing morons.

 

Mets will never get him, he is white, Minaya doesnt like white baseball players.

[SoxSport]

I don't know if I believe it. The NY media is always floating rumors like this. And Heyman is one of them. Also, Wilpon has lost millions in the Madoff scandal and the Mets have stopped buying salary dumps. Actually, it looks like a good deal for the Mets--which is the tipoff.

 

P.S. RealGM is floating an unsourced story that Adrian Gonzales will be traded to the Red Sox. Don't believe that, either. The Sox won't be trading their young pitching, with Dice-K down and Penny/Smoltz not showing much lately. I see the Yankees won their third 2-1 game in a row tonite. They are winning even when they don't hit.

[Cocos Disciples]

The Gonzo thing is just speculation on their part, no story.

[Dipre]

Yea I think they said that about Lastings Milledge to. f***ing morons.

 

Mets will never get him, he is white, Minaya doesnt like white baseball players.

 

Let's go ahead and call that one a brainfart.

 

That's a racist comment that has no base.

 

Even if it's a joke, it's a really bad one.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't know if I believe it. The NY media is always floating rumors like this. And Heyman is one of them. Also, Wilpon has lost millions in the Madoff scandal and the Mets have stopped buying salary dumps. Actually, it looks like a good deal for the Mets--which is the tipoff.

 

P.S. RealGM is floating an unsourced story that Adrian Gonzales will be traded to the Red Sox. Don't believe that, either. The Sox won't be trading their young pitching, with Dice-K down and Penny/Smoltz not showing much lately. I see the Yankees won their third 2-1 game in a row tonite. They are winning even when they don't hit.

 

thats an indication that they are going to get really hot. Think about it. CC and AJ are ace level pitchers who both had red hot finishes to the season last yr. Andy has always been a second half pitcher and Joba looked really good in his last start. On the offensive side of things, ARod is just heating up and Tex is always a second half player. The O will be there. if the pitching follows their tendencies, then the yankees are gonna win a lot of games

[a700hitter]

Let's go ahead and call that one a brainfart.

 

That's a racist comment that has no base.

 

Even if it's a joke, it's a really bad one.

There is a thing called de facto racism. Even though Minaya gives no indication that he is a racist, the Mets do have more Hispanic players than most teams. Some of those acquisitions have been very ill-advised. He's signed some old injured guys to long term contracts like Castillo. No one wanted him.

[Dipre]

There is a thing called de facto racism. Even though Minaya gives no indication that he is a racist' date=' the Mets do have more Hispanic players than most teams. Some of those acquisitions have been very ill-advised. He's signed some old injured guys to long term contracts like Castillo. No one wanted him.[/quote']

 

I'm going to go ahead and ask you:

 

Are Johan Santana, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran, K-Rod and Jose Feliciano not extremely productive players for the Mets?

 

Tatis has been good.

 

Add Luis Castillo and he's the only sucky latino player on the Mets.

 

Don't you think that instead of de facto racism is the fact that Latin players identify with a Latin GM?????

[Teddyballgame10]

There is a thing called de facto racism. Even though Minaya gives no indication that he is a racist' date=' the Mets do have more Hispanic players than most teams. Some of those acquisitions have been very ill-advised. He's signed some old injured guys to long term contracts like Castillo. No one wanted him.[/quote']

 

Thank you, exactly what i was getting at. Minaya is hispanic and has shown tendencis to sign a ton of hispanic players. All but 5 of their field players are hispanic, that will be even less when the starters come back. My freind and I, who is a Met fan, always joke that Minaya would deal Wright and Murphy for Ortiz and Lowell in a heartbeat.

[SoxSport]

On Minaya, I think the record shows that the Mets have signed a high number of Hispanic players since Minaya became GM. That's because Minaya is also Hispanic, and he has an advantage attracting Hispanic players. That's important, because Hispanic players are pretty much dominating baseball right now.

 

The Phillies, by the way, also have an Hispanic GM, and maybe he was instrumental in getting Ibanez to sign with the Phillies.

[TheKilo]

Fernando Tatis has been awful.

[Teddyballgame10]

I'm going to go ahead and ask you:

 

Are Johan Santana, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran, K-Rod and Jose Feliciano not extremely productive players for the Mets?

 

Tatis has been good.

 

Add Luis Castillo and he's the only sucky latino player on the Mets.

 

Don't you think that instead of de facto racism is the fact that Latin players identify with a Latin GM?????

 

Do you watch the Mets? Feliciano blows. Perez, great signing. Castillo and Cora suck. Tatis is a joke. There whole bulllpen from last year. I know Wright, their best player, feels alienated on that club to.

[Dipre]

On Minaya, I think the record shows that the Mets have signed a high number of Hispanic players since Minaya became GM. That's because Minaya is also Hispanic, and he has an advantage attracting Hispanic players. That's important, because Hispanic players are pretty much dominating baseball right now.

 

The Phillies, by the way, also have an Hispanic GM, and maybe he was instrumental in getting Ibanez to sign with the Phillies.

 

Thank you, logic is strong with you.

 

Fernando Tatis has been awful.

 

No he hasn't.

 

He was signed as a backup player, and has gotten exposed because of all the playing time.

[Cocos Disciples]

Tatis is forever the guy who hit two GSs in an inning.

[a700hitter]

I'm going to go ahead and ask you:

 

Are Johan Santana, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran, K-Rod and Jose Feliciano not extremely productive players for the Mets?

 

Tatis has been good.

 

Add Luis Castillo and he's the only sucky latino player on the Mets.

Is Fernando Nieve Irish? What about Angel Pagan? Omir Santos? Alex Cora? Argenis Reyes? Ramon Martinez? Ollie Perez for $36 million? Ramon Castro? Angel Berroa? nelson Figueroa?

 

Don't you think that instead of de facto racism is the fact that Latin players identify with a Latin GM?????

This goes much further than any accusation that I would have made. I think this goes to the heart of de facto discrimination. What if I were to ask you whether discrimination was at work because white players felt more comfortable with the Red Sox's white FO and vice versa?

 

I didn't find teddyballgames statement on a message board to be so outrageous, especially when a respected member of the press, Rosenthal made a similar accusation against the Red Sox for being too white.

[Dipre]

Do you watch the Mets? Feliciano blows. Perez' date=' great signing. Castillo and Cora suck. Tatis is a joke. There whole bulllpen from last year.[b'] I know Wright, their best player, feels alienated on that club to[/b].

 

Now you're just being a tool, and i really don't mean to insult, but really.

 

Cora is a backup player, so is Tatis?

 

But i didn't hear you mention Beltran, Delgado, Santana, and Reyes in this post.

 

Why?

[Dipre]

Is Fernando Nieve Irish? What about Angel Pagan? Omir Santos? Alex Cora? Argenis Reyes? Ramon Martinez? Ollie Perez for $36 million? Ramon Castro? Angel Berroa? nelson Figueroa?

 

This goes much further than any accusation that I would have made. I think this goes to the heart of de facto discrimination. What if I were to ask you whether discrimination was at work because white players felt more comfortable with the Red Sox's white FO and vice versa?

 

I didn't find teddyballgames statement on a message board to be so outrageous, especially when a respected member of the press, Rosenthal made a similar accusation against the Red Sox for being too white.

 

You just validated my entire argument.

 

The defense rests.

[TheKilo]

 

 

No he hasn't.

 

He was signed as a backup player, and has gotten exposed because of all the playing time.

 

So, he's been bad?

[Dipre]

So' date=' he's been bad?[/quote']

 

So 2008 means nothing?

[TheKilo]

Now you're just being a tool, and i really don't mean to insult, but really.

 

Cora is a backup player, so is Tatis?

 

But i didn't hear you mention Beltran, Delgado, Santana, and Reyes in this post.

 

Why?

 

Beltran, Delgado, Santana, and Reyes were all top ten players at their positions last season. They're superstars.

[Dipre]

Beltran' date=' Delgado, Santana, and Reyes were all top ten players at their positions last season. They're superstars.[/quote']

 

That's my whole point...........

 

Listen, the thing is, like the Angels, the Mets appeal to the Latin crowd, so is Arte Moreno "De facto racist" as well?

[TheKilo]

So 2008 means nothing?

 

He had a nice 2nd half.

 

Pretty clear he was playing over his head.

[a700hitter]

You just validated my entire argument.

 

The defense rests.

I didn't say that I agreed with the accusation. I think de facto discrimination cases are BS, so I don't know why you would be claiming victory. I think that without evidence of discriminatory intent there is no discrimination, which is why Rosenthal's accusation was bogus. I am just saying that teddyballgames statement on a message board was not so outrageous as it embodies the state of the law on de facto discrimination. I disagree with the state of the law.

[Dipre]

I didn't say that I agreed with the accusation. I think de facto discrimination cases are BS' date=' so I don't know why you would be claiming victory. I think that without evidence of discriminatory intent there is no discrimination, which is why Rosenthal's accusation was bogus. I am just saying that teddyballgames statement on a message board was not so outrageous as it embodies the state of the law on de facto discrimination. I disagree with the state of the law.[/quote']

 

I claimed victory because anything Rosenthal writes is ********, you simply didn't pick up the joke, lol.

[jacksonianmarch]

There was a piece on this awhile ago where the Mets 25 man was well above the average in terms of hispanic players. You know what, though, who cares. Its pretty obvious that the game crosses color and ethnicity lines. Trying to all black a team or all white, or all hispanic a team is doing your team a detriment. And the Mets are running into it. Its all about grabbing talent regardless of their background.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

There was a piece on this awhile ago where the Mets 25 man was well above the average in terms of hispanic players. You know what' date=' though, who cares. Its pretty obvious that the game crosses color and ethnicity lines. Trying to all black a team or all white, or all hispanic a team is doing your team a detriment. And the Mets are running into it. Its all about grabbing talent regardless of their background.[/quote']

Exactly.

 

 

Minaya isn't a racist, he's just a dumbass.