Looking back to October '04

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm so tempted to use the word filter to change "I LOVE IT" into something else.

 

As for the topic, I don't "hate" the Yankees, especially not after 2004. Like Gom, I want to beat them because they're one of the two other major competitors for the division, hence me rooting against them. I think Hank Steinbrenner is a douchebag and I dislike Joba Chamberlain as a human, but other than that, it's all about what gives the Sox the best chance to win.

[The_Destroyah]

You know what's funny?

 

Idiots like DrSoxFan can't take the fact that a good percentage of Yankee fans, if not the majority, really didn't care as much as they wanted them to. Sure, we lost. Sure, the team choked. No big deal. It happens. We won in 96, 98, 99, and 2001. We had crushing losses in 97 and 01. We were steamrolled in 2002. We won...we lost...and we got used to it. We were happy when we won, and sad when we lost. However, having been there so often in such a short span, it tempered things.

 

The "fact" of the matter is that you hate us 100 times more than we hate you. For the average Red Sox fan, there is a loathing for the Yankees that we can't even understand. There isn't a Yankee fan who understands DECADES of frustration. For the Yankee fan, the Red Sox are a nuisance to be disposed of, a fly to be swatted. We don't, we can't hate you like you hate us. You just haven't been good enough for long enough, or beaten us enough.

 

It kills morons like DrSoxFan that we really didn't get crushed like you did in 2003, or even better in 1986. We just said f*** it....and it's about time.

 

Personally, I think being ONE STRIKE AWAY from winning the WORLD SERIES with a two-run lead and no one on is a bigger choke. Not even close.

 

Especially when the scoreboard read "Congratulations Red Sox".

 

In case you didn't believe it, here is the link from the Globe:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/10/22/one_strike_away_the_standard_for_booting_victory_is_set/

 

I LOVE IT!!!

 

Gom, I havent been here long and for the short time ive been here you havent bothered me that much but this post isnt necesarry. this post was really more for nostalgia sake on the part of the sox fans it wasnt to try to rub it in any yankees fans it was just a great moment for the fans of this franchise, i didnt even really mind the debate but this post ^ hurts. i was not alive in 86 but ive seen the infamous footage too many times and the "B" word was a curse word in my house growing up so id prefer to not have links posted to remind anyone. you hurt my heart Gom and i dont know that it will heal ha:(

 

:banned:

[Dipre]

You know what's funny?

 

Idiots like DrSoxFan can't take the fact that a good percentage of Yankee fans, if not the majority, really didn't care as much as they wanted them to. Sure, we lost. Sure, the team choked. No big deal. It happens. We won in 96, 98, 99, and 2001. We had crushing losses in 97 and 01. We were steamrolled in 2002. We won...we lost...and we got used to it. We were happy when we won, and sad when we lost. However, having been there so often in such a short span, it tempered things.

 

The "fact" of the matter is that you hate us 100 times more than we hate you. For the average Red Sox fan, there is a loathing for the Yankees that we can't even understand. There isn't a Yankee fan who understands DECADES of frustration. For the Yankee fan, the Red Sox are a nuisance to be disposed of, a fly to be swatted. We don't, we can't hate you like you hate us. You just haven't been good enough for long enough, or beaten us enough.

 

It kills morons like DrSoxFan that we really didn't get crushed like you did in 2003, or even better in 1986. We just said f*** it....and it's about time.

 

Personally, I think being ONE STRIKE AWAY from winning the WORLD SERIES with a two-run lead and no one on is a bigger choke. Not even close.

 

Especially when the scoreboard read "Congratulations Red Sox".

 

In case you didn't believe it, here is the link from the Globe:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/10/22/one_strike_away_the_standard_for_booting_victory_is_set/

 

I LOVE IT!!!

 

Gom, you're a f***ing idiot.

 

With all the s*** you talk on this site, i'd be tempted to think you actually knew the magnitude of the Sox-Yankee rivalry.

 

But every time i assume you know something, well, i'm wrong.

 

Because you keep riding the Girardi knobgobblers short bus.

[Dipre]

I'm so tempted to use the word filter to change "I LOVE IT" into something else.

 

As for the topic, I don't "hate" the Yankees, especially not after 2004. Like Gom, I want to beat them because they're one of the two other major competitors for the division, hence me rooting against them. I think Hank Steinbrenner is a douchebag and I dislike Joba Chamberlain as a human, but other than that, it's all about what gives the Sox the best chance to win.

 

Change it to i suck a bucket of dicks.

 

As far as the "i don't hate the Yankees" art.

 

You may not, but there are millions of Red Sox fans who truly hate the Yankees, and millions of Yankee fans who truly hate the Red Sox, specially some of the 30+ crowd fans.

 

Let me tell you something, i never saw a bigger smile in my father's face than the first time we saw each other after the 2004 collapse, and let me tell you, he suffered the Bucky Dent walkoff, the '99 elimination, and the Aaron Boone walkoff.

 

That's some genuine hatred towards the Yankees built up right there.

[TheKilo]

I absolutely hate the Yankees - not ashamed to admit it at all.

[Mr Crunchy]

How many dicks come in a bucket??LOLGom is naive to the reality and in denial of the truth.

We know whats real and what isnt, the Yankee ""aura and mystique"" is now gone forever.

There is no curse, they now play in a building they cant sell out and nobody is afraid of them anymore.

Yank Sox games on a friday night or saturday in the bronx are like homegames for boston fans.

Nothing ever will be the same for NY fans, never again can they point at us and say 1918.

(of course some of them still do)

NY circa 2004 was 1 out away from sweeping the sox and winning the pennant.

There hasnt been a collapse of that magnitude in the history of baseball and is regarded as the biggest choke job in the history of sports.

the fact is nothing can beat this collapse ever and it would be a miracle if it were ever duplicated...

2 outs bottom of the 9th up 3-0 in games and instead of winning the pennant you get beat in extra innings in game 4,get cornholed in again in game 5 and then Schilling and his gutty effort showed us the way and we won twice in your own backyard in games 6-7.

We thought only the Cubs are capable of f***ing up that bad but led by Arod,Kato Matsui,KY Brown and Javier Vasquez the Yanks hearts folded like accordians and have been doing it every year since.

They're odds on favorites to win the title every year with a payrool advantage often twice as high as their closest competetors the Yanks havent even won a single playoff series since then...

You're only fooling yourself Gom, the reality is the Yankee fans still havent found out what hit them and I think you know it in your heart.The Yankees have confidence problems under pressure,Arod especially.

Their entire world has been shifted off its axis and the entire Baseball community gets it.. except you.

[a700hitter]

I'll post it again, because Gom never responded to it, because he knows it to be 100% accurate.

 

Maybe the initial emotional blow of losing to Arizona was worse' date=' because it ended the championship run. The '04 series slowly slipped away in agonizing fashion. By the end, Yankee fans were in despair, but had accepted their fate. In the long run, the '04 loss was much more costly to Yankee fans, because Yankee invincibility with regard to the Red Sox was gone forever. Also, after the crushing emotions immediately following the 2001 loss, Yankee fans never had to see the DiamondBacks or their fans on a regular basis. The Red Sox and their fans are constantly around to remind the Yankee fans that the Red Sox have become the big bad boys that the Yankees used to be.[/quote']

 

It's a different world for Yankee worlds. It's a world where the Red Sox are the bullies of baseball. It's the Red Sox that every team wants to beat. It's bizarro world for Yankee fans. It's a world in which Yankee fans are very uncomfortable, and it all started in 2004.

[Dipre]

I bet Gom cried when Damon hit his game 7 blast.

[YAZMAN]

I bet Gom cried when Damon hit his game 7 blast.

 

And again when they signed him. Those Y*nkee fans sure love their sloppy seconds.

[Dipre]

And again when they signed him. Those Y*nkee fans sure love their sloppy seconds.

 

lolhinskelol

[Dojji]

Damon, Bellhorn, Embree, Mientkiewicz, Myers, 5 of the 25 were on the Yankees within 3 years of the Miracle.

[Mr Crunchy]

Hinske is the stud of that outfield defensively, Is it me or is Melky Cabrerra carrying a lot more bulk on his ass these days?He looked like William Perry chasing down a ball hit over his head last night.

[YAZMAN]

Hinske is the stud of that outfield defensively' date=' Is it me or is Melky Cabrerra carrying a lot more bulk on his ass these days?He looked like William Perry chasing down a ball hit over his head last night.[/quote']

 

The FRIDGE? I thought it was more like Kim Kardashian 3 weeks into a Roman food orgy.

[Gom]

I'll post it again, because Gom never responded to it, because he knows it to be 100% accurate.

 

 

 

It's a different world for Yankee worlds. It's a world where the Red Sox are the bullies of baseball. It's the Red Sox that every team wants to beat. It's bizarro world for Yankee fans. It's a world in which Yankee fans are very uncomfortable, and it all started in 2004.

 

C'mon a700, look at the time of my post. I went to bed.

 

The Sox aren't the bullies of baseball. No one is. Baseball is in a historical time-period of parity. You guys have won two championships in the span of 5 years now. Good, but not great. Four out of five is bullying.

 

That being said, I think that if the Yankees had won in 2001, 2004 would have been devastating. It wasn't anywhere near that because 2001 WAS devastating.

 

Say what you want crunchy...but how many teams have been down 3-0 and then came back and won in baseball? Zero.

 

However...how many teams have been 1 STRIKE away from winning with the tying run NOT at the plate? With a game in hand?

 

None in baseball history. How do you choose. I've talked to Sox fans who were around for both 78 and 03, and they tell me it isn't even close. 86 hands down.

 

All you can say now is Yankee fans have an inkling of what it was like to suffer like Sox fans. Just an inkling however.

[a700hitter]

I bet Gom cried when Damon hit his game 7 blast.

A lot of them had that false bravado saying that sooner or later the Sox were going to beat them. The following season when the Sox didn't repeat they called them One Year Wonders and they expected things to return to what they considered "normal." When the Sox won in 2007, it had finally sunk in that things had changed and that the Yankees had been and would be chasing the Sox for many years instead of it being the other way around. Their world shifted in 2004, but it didn't sink in until 2007. They are lost in this world. When you hurl an insult at a Yankee fan today, they don't even know how to respond. They have become timid and wimpy. I laugh at their transformation.

 

When ARod opted out of his contract as the Sox were winning their second championship, Yankee fans lost it like I had never seen before. They were completely irrational. They were reeling from the fact that the reality of Red Sox superiority was finally setting in and they had to deal with a defection of their best player. Some people said that what ARod did detracted from the World Series. To me it was like icing on a very sweet cake. I thought the timing was perfect.

[Gom]

The truth is that the Yankees would have been better off not resigning Arod. That contract is the next albatross, the next Giambi signing.

 

You guys act like we haven't had rough stretches. From 1979 until 1995, a span of 16 years, we didn't even make the playoffs. I can understand bandwagon fans, like your Red Sox Nation feeling all weird. Us long-time fans haven't even flinched.

 

Remember..it isn't about you, it's about us. To us, the Red Sox are a nuisance, not a hated enemy. If you guys win 2 out of the next three, then yeah, fine. A hated enemy.

 

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles, and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.

[a700hitter]

However...how many teams have been 1 STRIKE away from winning with the tying run NOT at the plate? With a game in hand?

 

None in baseball history.

'86 hurt bad. It hurts less as it goes further back in the rear view mirror. Almost all of the sting left as a result of the improbable unbelievable 2004 championship. I can watch the Buckner play today and feel no emotion at all.

 

The big point that you are missing about 1986 vs. 2004, and it is a huge difference, is that we hung the 2004 choke around your neck. The Yankees had nothing to do with 1986. I couldn't name 5 guys on the '86 Yankee team that was home watching that series from their couches.

 

The second point is that the Red Sox were big underdogs going into the '86 series. If they had won, it would have been a big upset. It's hard to choke away something when you are the underdog and the inferior team.

[a700hitter]

The truth is that the Yankees would have been better off not resigning Arod. That contract is the next albatross, the next Giambi signing.

 

You guys act like we haven't had rough stretches. From 1979 until 1995, a span of 16 years, we didn't even make the playoffs. I can understand bandwagon fans, like your Red Sox Nation feeling all weird. Us long-time fans haven't even flinched.

 

Remember..it isn't about you, it's about us. To us, the Red Sox are a nuisance, not a hated enemy. If you guys win 2 out of the next three, then yeah, fine. A hated enemy.

 

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles, and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.

In your prior bad stretches, you did not have to live with the Sox being the best organization in baseball. That's what makes this stretch worse. Don't worry. Some day that too will change. Hopefully, it will take 20-25 years.

[a700hitter]

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles' date=' and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.[/quote']The Orioles?

[Dojji]

You laugh now but the Orioles were a force to be reckoned with not too long ago.

 

But no, the Yankee rivalry with Baltimore was only ever a "they were the good team at the time" sort of thing. We have a stronger rivalry with the Angels than they have with the O's.

[Mr Crunchy]

The Orioles were good back in the mid late 90s and Mussina was a f***ing beast on the mound for them but they had the crazy arthur rhodes as a closer, then went to Armando Benitez to and an essentially a suck staff that couldnt buy a break in all those games vs NY.

Tony fuking Tarasco, Jeff Maier etc...They should all die of slow suffocation

[Gom]

The second point is that the Red Sox were big underdogs going into the '86 series. If they had won, it would have been a big upset. It's hard to choke away something when you are the underdog and the inferior team.

 

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less, probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close.

In your prior bad stretches' date=' you did not have to live with the Sox being the best organization in baseball. That's what makes this stretch worse. Don't worry. Some day that too will change. Hopefully, it will take 20-25 years.[/quote']

Once again, you don't understand the mindset of a true Yankee fan. The team ahead of us is inconsequential for the most part.

 

You know what you sound like a700? Like Yankee fans that thought that 1996-2000 would last forever.

 

Keep believing it. Your run on top of the Yankees may end this year, and you know it.

[Dipre]

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less' date=' probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close. .[/quote']

 

lolunderdogsreally?

 

I recall every major sports analyst (i'm looking straight at Ken Rosenthal and every major publication here) giving the series to the Yankees in 6 games, because, iirc, even though the D'backs had RJ and Schilling, they had no closer and their offense was Luis Gonzales and a bunch of guys having career years.

 

So, don't ******** us saying the team coming from almost 8 years of total dominance, with one of the best rotations in the playoffs, the best bullpen, and by a mile, the best offense were underdogs.

 

BECAUSE THAT IS COMPLETE AND TOTAL ********.

[Mr Crunchy]

As a Celtic fan, a team that was once I think 14-0 in the Finals,we did expect to win every f***ing year bar none.We had rivals in NY Philly and of course LA but then came the 80s and detroit became hated.

I understand the mindset of success that dynastys produce but lets not pretend that you didnt think NY would win in any of the last 7 years,especially in 02 03 04 05 and 06 and of course this year.

When you buy allstars for every position and continue to fail to win in the playoffs you scratch your head and ask what the f*** is going on here?....Truth being that whenever the Steinbrenners get actively involved in player personal moves they tend to f*** up the works completely and only thru the suspension of the Felon were the Yanks able to properly rebuild their club to the point of being perennial threats as theyve been for the last 15 seasons...77-78 titles?

NY and the Angels were the clubs who were active in the free agent market and those teams in 77-78 were the rosters of the Oakland A's and Cinci Reds from the early 70s that won 5 straight titles and then moved onto NY...Outside those 2 years Ny has failed under Steinbrenners watch.

[Mr Crunchy]

Wasnt that Byung Yung Kim who gave up walk offs in that series?

Ya, we needed him in 03 like my dick needs another blister.

[Dipre]

Wasnt that Byung Yung Kim who gave up walk offs in that series?

Ya, we needed him in 03 like my dick needs another blister.

 

Of course it was Byung Suck Kim.

 

No one needed to know you have blisters in your dick, too much info man.

[YAZMAN]

Damon' date=' Bellhorn, Embree, Mientkiewicz, Myers, 5 of the 25 were on the Yankees within 3 years of the Miracle.[/quote']

 

Any more Cream Pie Kids left off the list?

[Dojji]

There's still time for the Yankees to go after Kapler.

[a700hitter]

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less' date=' probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close. [/quote']I never said that being the underdog meant it didn't hurt. I said that it's hard to call an underdog a choker. They were supposed to lose.

 

Once again, you don't understand the mindset of a true Yankee fan. The team ahead of us is inconsequential for the most part.

 

You know what you sound like a700? Like Yankee fans that thought that 1996-2000 would last forever.

 

Keep believing it. Your run on top of the Yankees may end this year, and you know it.

I never said that it won't end. I assured you that it would. When it ends, I will have enjoyed every minute of it. It just can't end quickly enough for you. You yearn for those days 1996-2000. You also know that when it ends for the Sox that their is no guarantee that the yankees will reclaim top dog status. It could be the Mets. Wouldn't that be a kick in the balls.

[Cocos Disciples]

BK Kim doesn't like you either.

 

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