Yanks get Hinske

[Dutchy]

small sample sizes again dutchy. I am not praising him for anything. I am just saying that he has a better chance of hitting the longball than our current cast of bench characters

 

Small sample sizes again? You're not expecting him to hit for power just because he did it in 2008, are you? He was an everyday player with the Rays.

[Dutchy]

Three consecutive seasons

 

Ohhh, OK. Well I don't think he has much of a chance anyways :harhar:

[jacksonianmarch]

Small sample sizes again? You're not expecting him to hit for power just because he did it in 2008' date=' are you? He was an everyday player with the Rays.[/quote']

 

I know this. I hope he doesnt become an everyday player with us. Regardless, his history indicates that he'll hit for more power as a role player than the other guys we have on the bench.

[Dutchy]

I know this. I hope he doesnt become an everyday player with us. Regardless' date=' his history indicates that he'll hit for more power as a role player than the other guys we have on the bench.[/quote']

 

He'll hit for more than Pena maybe, but Pena's a much better defensive player. Hinske's never had a .400 SLG as a bench player.

[yankees228]

He'll hit for more than Pena maybe' date=' but Pena's a much better defensive player. Hinske's never had a .400 SLG as a bench player.[/quote']

 

When comparing Hinske to Pena, in terms of offense, I don't think you need to use the word "maybe"...

[Dutchy]

When comparing Hinske to Pena' date=' in terms of offense, I don't think you need to use the word "maybe"...[/quote']

 

They have a pretty identicle SLG this year and if you averaged out Hinske's SLG over his stints as a bench player, it wouldn't come out to only .010 to .030 points higher than Pena's.

 

Hinske's a guy that hits better the more time he plays. I just don't see him being very productive hitting once a week to spell A-Rod.

[yankees228]

They have a pretty identicle SLG this year and if you averaged out Hinske's SLG over his stints as a bench player, it wouldn't come out to only .010 to .030 points higher than Pena's.

 

Hinske's a guy that hits better the more time he plays. I just don't see him being very productive hitting once a week to spell A-Rod.

 

Couple things. First, Pena has been hot lately, and with him, you're talking about an incredibly small sample size. Second, while I agree that Hinske's statistics as a bench player are more relevant in this situation, you cannot ignore what he has done as a starter.

[Dutchy]

Couple things. First' date=' Pena has been hot lately, and with him, you're talking about an incredibly small sample size. Second, while I agree that Hinske's statistics as a bench player are more relevant in this situation, you cannot ignore what he has done as a starter.[/quote']

 

Maybe he'll surprise and hit for some power as a bench player, who knows. Just giving my opinion, that I don't see him hitting for a .400 SLG as an option off the bench for the first time in his career.

[yankees228]

Maybe he'll surprise and hit for some power as a bench player' date=' who knows. Just giving my opinion, that I don't see him hitting for a .400 SLG as an option off the bench for the first time in his career.[/quote']

 

Yeah, and you very well might be right. But he is a better offensive option, over the course off a full season, than Ramiro Pena. That was my only point.

[Dutchy]

Yeah' date=' and you very well might be right. But he is a better offensive option, over the course off a full season, than Ramiro Pena. That was my only point.[/quote']

 

Sure, but have you seen his defense at third? If A-Rod goes down (he has been wincing on routine throws lately) Hinske would be the better long-term replacement. I think that's why the Yankees got him. But in a bench roll, the two are pretty much a wash.

[yankees228]

Sure' date=' but have you seen his defense at third? If A-Rod goes down (he has been wincing on routine throws lately) Hinske would be the better long-term replacement. I think that's why the Yankees got him. But in a bench roll, the two are pretty much a wash.[/quote']

 

That's not why they got him. Brian Cashman said himself that this was a reactionary move to what happened with Nady. Cody Ransom is A-Rod's backup.

 

Also, you have no idea if A-Rod is feeling any pain at all. That is purely conjecture. In the last week he has shown excellent range at third, and is swinging the bat much better. I think that is much more indicative of his health then a facial expression you saw.

[Dutchy]

That's not why they got him. Brian Cashman said himself that this was a reactionary move to what happened with Nady. Cody Ransom is A-Rod's backup.

 

Also, you have no idea if A-Rod is feeling any pain at all. That is purely conjecture. In the last week he has shown excellent range at third, and is swinging the bat much better. I think that is much more indicative of his health then a facial expression you saw.

 

You did see him wince as well, right? They replayed it a few times the last game the Yankees played.

[yankees228]

You did see him wince as well' date=' right? They replayed it a few times the last game the Yankees played.[/quote']

 

If it happened in the first few innings, I missed it. But even if he did, you have no idea if it was because of the hip. It could have been anything. He even could have just been making a weird facial expression. It's all conjecture.

[Dutchy]

If it happened in the first few innings' date=' I missed it. But even if he did, you have no idea if it was because of the hip. It could have been anything. He even could have just been making a weird facial expression. It's all conjecture.[/quote']

 

It wasn't just a weird facial expression. He twisted his hip to make a throw, jumped up like something bit him and winced. Might not be serious pain, could just be something in there popping or grinding. Who knows what's going on in that hip, he didn't get the full surgery.

[diony]

and how's he gonna get more playing time in New York?

 

He can play four positions? Including 3B.

[yankees228]

It wasn't just a weird facial expression. He twisted his hip to make a throw' date=' jumped up like something bit him and winced. Might not be serious pain, could just be something in there popping or grinding. Who knows what's going on in that hip, he didn't get the full surgery.[/quote']

 

Again, that's why it's all just theory. What we do know is that he seems to be more mobile lately and he's hitting the ball much better.

[Dutchy]

Again' date=' that's why it's all just theory. What we do know is that he seems to be more mobile lately and he's hitting the ball much better.[/quote']

 

What's a theory? He definitely did jump up and wince. No one knows what's going on in his hip. And he didn't get the full surgery.

 

All of those are facts buddy.

[yankees228]

What's a theory? He definitely did jump up and wince. No one knows what's going on in his hip. And he didn't get the full surgery.

 

All of those are facts buddy.

 

How do you know it was the hip that's bothering him? You're putting a few things together, but that proves nothing. Do you disagree that he has shown much better range lately and is hitter much better? Don't you think those also might be signs that he is healthy?

 

EDIT: And some of your premise for this argument was that they got Hinske for 3B, which is incorrect.

[das11209]

Hopefully A-Rod will get his weekly 1 day rest now.

[Dutchy]

How do you know it was the hip that's bothering him? You're putting a few things together, but that proves nothing. Do you disagree that he has shown much better range lately and is hitter much better? Don't you think those also might be signs that he is healthy?

 

EDIT: And some of your premise for this argument was that they got Hinske for 3B, which is incorrect.

 

Where did I say it was his hip that bothered him? You're putting words in my mouth. I said he jumped up and winced, and that no one knows what's going on with his hip.

 

If Hinske is more for the outfield, then he isn't an offensive or defensive upgrade. Melky and Gardner are both similar hitters/better fielders.

[yankees228]

Where did I say it was his hip that bothered him? You're putting words in my mouth. I said he jumped up and winced, and that no one knows what's going on with his hip.

 

If Hinske is more for the outfield, then he isn't an offensive or defensive upgrade. Melky and Gardner are both similar hitters/better fielders.

 

Well, you were talking about his hip surgery in conjunction with him wincing. I thought that's what you were implying. If you weren't I apologize.

 

However, if you're not tying him wincing to his hip surgery, then I guess I'm missing the point. Is him wincing even relevant?

[Dutchy]

Well, you were talking about his hip surgery in conjunction with him wincing. I thought that's what you were implying. If you weren't I apologize.

 

However, if you're not tying him wincing to his hip surgery, then I guess I'm missing the point. Is him wincing even relevant?

 

I was just stating the facts. He was wincing, and no one knows what might happen with his hip. So it makes sense the Yankees would acquire someone who can play 3B. I don't care what Cashman said, the Yankees already have 4 outfielders.

[yankees228]

I was just stating the facts. He was wincing' date=' and no one knows what might happen with his hip. So it makes sense the Yankees would acquire someone who can play 3B. I don't care what Cashman said, the Yankees already have 4 outfielders.[/quote']

 

Think about it though. They were counting on Nady coming back. Now that he's done, they want another bat. Makes sense to me. Also, they have Cody Ransom to play third.

[VA Sox Fan]

Think about it though. They were counting on Nady coming back. Now that he's done' date=' they want another bat. Makes sense to me. Also, they have Cody Ransom to play third.[/quote']

 

Can Hinske pitch?

[Dutchy]

Think about it though. They were counting on Nady coming back. Now that he's done' date=' they want another bat. Makes sense to me. Also, they have Cody Ransom to play third.[/quote']

 

Come on, Cody Ransom sucks. He's a career .239/.325/.412 hitter who's hitting .200/.241/.345 this year.

[Gom]

Cashman had nothing to do...so he made the deal.

 

It does benefit in theory as follows:

 

Hinske gives the Yankees a decent bat and allows them to rest Arod once a week according to the Phillipon Rules. It allows Pena to go to the minors, where the Yankees want to play him in the outfield a bit to see if he cam be a super-sub type, coming in defensively in every late-inning win. He'll be back in about two months anyways.

 

Hinske can play 1B, 3B, and OF. He can cover 4 postions adequetely [CF below average]. This gives them some versatility on the bench.

 

Hinske sees 4.05 pitches an at-bat. Another grinder, helping get into the weaker underside of most teams rotations.

 

Now...I'd love to take credit for knowing all this s*** about a marginal, 1-2 day a week player, but I took all this information off of a Joel Sherman article in the NY Post.

[Dutchy]

Cashman had nothing to do...so he made the deal.

 

It does benefit in theory as follows:

 

Hinske gives the Yankees a decent bat and allows them to rest Arod once a week according to the Phillipon Rules. It allows Pena to go to the minors, where the Yankees want to play him in the outfield a bit to see if he cam be a super-sub type, coming in defensively in every late-inning win. He'll be back in about two months anyways.

 

Hinske can play 1B, 3B, and OF. He can cover 4 postions adequetely [CF below average]. This gives them some versatility on the bench.

 

Hinske sees 4.05 pitches an at-bat. Another grinder, helping get into the weaker underside of most teams rotations.

Now...I'd love to take credit for knowing all this s*** about a marginal, 1-2 day a week player, but I took all this information off of a Joel Sherman article in the NY Post.

 

Figured, it had statistics and insight

[yankees228]

Come on' date=' Cody Ransom sucks. He's a career .239/.325/.412 hitter who's hitting .200/.241/.345 this year.[/quote']

 

Never said Cody Ransom was any good, just saying that's how the Yankees view the situation (I think).

[Dutchy]

Never said Cody Ransom was any good' date=' just saying that's how the Yankees view the situation (I think).[/quote']

 

I'm pretty sure they'd rather have Ransom in the minors.

[yankees228]

I'm pretty sure they'd rather have Ransom in the minors.

 

At the beginning of the year they were willing to go with him at third base till A-Rod came back.