Catch-All Papelbon Thread

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Doesn't KRod get $13 million?

Omar Minaya.

[Dipre]

Doesn't KRod get $13 million?

 

But it's a 3-year contract.

 

Papelbon has publicly stated he wants over 14 mill a year over 5 years or more.

 

In a short, say, 2 or 3 year contract, going up to 15 per with him is not that bad.

 

But 90/5 is a no-no.

[a700hitter]

But it's a 3-year contract.

 

Papelbon has publicly stated he wants over 14 mill a year over 5 years or more.

 

In a short, say, 2 or 3 year contract, going up to 15 per with him is not that bad.

 

But 90/5 is a no-no.

I don't think $14 million is outrageous. If that's the market, that's the market. If the Yankees blow off the doors, that would not be the market and he leaves.

[Dipre]

I don't think $14 million is outrageous. If that's the market' date=' that's the market. If the Yankees blow off the doors, that would not be the market and he leaves.[/quote']

 

14 mill a year for relief pitchers is not the market.

 

It may be for New York teams, but 14 per is outrageous sir.

[a700hitter]

14 mill a year for relief pitchers is not the market.

 

It may be for New York teams, but 14 per is outrageous sir.

Not today, but it may be the market when he hits the market. $14 million is not such a far cry from the $13 million that KRod is getting. It's all outrageous to us, but we don't set the market.

[BSN07]

Rob Bradford at WEEI.com spoke to Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon about the comments he made on Sirius XM Radio yesterday regarding the possibility of joining the Yankees or other clubs when he reaches free agency.

 

“I just think that when people hear what I said or people read what I said sometimes they can only see certain things. I want to make that clear, I don’t want to go (expletive) for the Yankees,” Papelbon said. “Believe me, I’ve got a ring here and I’m playing for a manager and general manager who are going to protect me. I’ve been on a team in baseball who has been in first-place more than any other (expletive) team in baseball. It’s just a simple fact for me that what I was stating that guys nowadays don’t necessarily get the opportunity to be with a team for a long period of time. Do I want to be with the Red Sox for as long as I can? Of course. There is no question about because I know I’m playing a manager and general manager who are going to protect me and to me that’s all that matters.”

[Dipre]

Oh, so changing your stance now, eh, Paps?

 

I wonder how could the reporter make out what he was saying so clearly with his his foot so far up his own mouth.

[matt9071]

Great pitcher lose cannon for a mouth. 14 over 5 yrs doesnt sound that bad. If he can watch his mouth he is definitly worth it imo.

[Dipre]

Great pitcher lose cannon for a mouth. 14 over 5 yrs doesnt sound that bad. If he can watch his mouth he is definitly worth it imo.

 

This type of humor is welcome in the site. /sarcasm.

[jacksonianmarch]

the best closer in the history of the game is making 15 mil a yr. The best young closer to hit the market in a down economical yr got 13 mil a yr. Papelbon is better than KRod IMO and on par with Mo nowadays, so I'd say Paps in better economic times will likely be getting 15 a yr.

[das11209]

Oh, so changing your stance now, eh, Paps?

 

I wonder how could the reporter make out what he was saying so clearly with his his foot so far up his own mouth.

 

Refresh my moemory - but is that similar to what Damon said in 2005?

[Dipre]

the best closer in the history of the game is making 15 mil a yr. The best young closer to hit the market in a down economical yr got 13 mil a yr. Papelbon is better than KRod IMO and on par with Mo nowadays' date=' so I'd say Paps [b']in better economic times will likely be getting 15 a yr.[/b]

 

Isn't that the whole point?

 

The skidding economy?

[ms_sox]

Oh, so changing your stance now, eh, Paps?

 

I wonder how could the reporter make out what he was saying so clearly with his his foot so far up his own mouth.

Win. :thumbsup:

 

I know it's hard to pick your words at-the-moment when interviewed, but he really seems to have a hyperactive-mouth/no brain filter. Which isn't necessarily bad...but when you're in the spotlight, it can be terrible publicity/image wise. Heh

[SCM33]

the best closer in the history of the game is making 15 mil a yr. The best young closer to hit the market in a down economical yr got 13 mil a yr. Papelbon is better than KRod IMO and on par with Mo nowadays' date=' so I'd say Paps in better economic times will likely be getting 15 a yr.[/quote']

 

I think what you meant to say is that Paps is on par with Mo in his prime, because you wouldnt realistically suggest that a 28 year old is "on par" with a 39 year old on his way out. Papelbon is better, and hes been better overall since Papelbon took over as closer in 06.

[jacksonianmarch]

Papelbon and Mo were both dominant in 2006, but Paps had a better WHIP and ERA (Mo and Paps were both below 1 in WHIP, but Paps' ERA was under 1, while Mo's was under 2)

 

In 2007, Mariano's WHIP climbed over 1 and his ERA over 3, while Paps kept his ERA under 2 and his WHIP under 1

 

In 2008, Mariano was the much better pitcher. He put up a 0.66WHIP, went 39/40 in SvOpps and had a 1.40ERA. Paps OTOH, had a WHIP of 0.93, and ERA of 2.34 and he had 5blown saves.

 

And this yr, Mo's ERA is much higher, but his WHIP is 0.32 lower and they both have only 1 blown save.

 

So, I do not agree with your point. Mariano and Papelbon are playing at similar levels right now. Granted, Mariano's 2008 was the best yr of his career.

[Dojji]

Oh, so changing your stance now, eh, Paps?

 

 

I'm not so sure he actually changed it. The initial statement got blown way the heck out of context. All he originally said is that he would listen to offers from any team, which he'd be crazy not to do. And he recognized that players don't tend to stay with one team for their entire careers anymore. Sounds like the same thing here, only with a bit more "company line" mixed in.

[Mr Crunchy]

We get a little paranoid in Boston as our rivals 200miles southeast of here look at our roster with a hard-on for anyone good...and we had that 86 year thing after our best player ever was sold for a broadway play and a handjob.

So when one of our guys says "'Sure id play for NY"" its akin to telling your wife "'Sure I'd f*** your younger sister with the bigger tits""...Most guys know enuff not to say things like that but Paps isnt known for his subtelty or high intellect.

[example1]

The Red Sox aren't without options if Papelbon leaves. They have a lot of internal options who might be ready by that time and while the Yankees take Papelbon perhaps the Red Sox take Broxton. He's not quite AS good, but he's pretty darn close with comparable stuff. Nobody wants to see that dude in late innings.

[Dipre]

The Red Sox aren't without options if Papelbon leaves. They have a lot of internal options who might be ready by that time and while the Yankees take Papelbon perhaps the Red Sox take Broxton. He's not quite AS good' date=' but he's pretty darn close with comparable stuff. [b']Nobody wants to see that dude in late innings.[/b]

 

To be honest, Broxton is the most intimidating closer i have ever seen.

[a700hitter]

To be honest' date=' Broxton is the most intimidating closer i have ever seen.[/quote']He didn't intimidate an old Matt stairs who hit one of his fastballs about 500 feet to wreck the Dodgers post season in 2008.

[Dipre]

He didn't intimidate an old Matt stairs who hit one of his fastballs about 500 feet to wreck the Dodgers post season in 2008.

 

Intimidation and effectiveness don't go hand in hand.

 

Hey, you know who's intimidating? Jonathan Papelbon.

 

You know who handed him his only blown save this year? Omir f***ing Santos.

[jacksonianmarch]

We get a little paranoid in Boston as our rivals 200miles southeast of here look at our roster with a hard-on for anyone good...and we had that 86 year thing after our best player ever was sold for a broadway play and a handjob.

So when one of our guys says "'Sure id play for NY"" its akin to telling your wife "'Sure I'd f*** your younger sister with the bigger tits""...Most guys know enuff not to say things like that but Paps isnt known for his subtelty or high intellect.

 

I will call a spade a spade whether he's wearing sox colors or pinstripes for the most part. Papelbon is a rare pitcher who can combine control with stuff and an iron stomach. We have one of those, but he has publicly stated that next yr is his last big league season. So, we need to look for someone to take the load. I think we have a lot of internal options that could fit the Billy Beane catergory of closer. You know, the guy who'll convert 75-80% of his save chances and be rather dependable but not great. I just think that guys like Mo or Paps are very, very rare. Being able to pitch multiple times per week with the game on the line almost every time and shut down the opposition 95% of the time is a rare, rare entity. I think a lot of people who look at Daniel Bard and say he's Paps replacement are missing that point. I could say the same thing about Mark Melancon or a few others. I like their stuff, I think they'll compete, but I dont think they are going to combine everything needed to be one of the best. We'll see,maybe they will. But dont bet on it

[a700hitter]

Intimidation and effectiveness don't go hand in hand.

 

Hey, you know who's intimidating? Jonathan Papelbon.

 

You know who handed him his only blown save this year? Omir f***ing Santos.

It wasn't a playoff game with the season hanging in the balance. No one has yet laid a glove on Papelbon in those situations.

[a700hitter]

I will call a spade a spade whether he's wearing sox colors or pinstripes for the most part. Papelbon is a rare pitcher who can combine control with stuff and an iron stomach. We have one of those' date=' but he has publicly stated that next yr is his last big league season. So, we need to look for someone to take the load. I think we have a lot of internal options that could fit the Billy Beane catergory of closer. You know, the guy who'll convert 75-80% of his save chances and be rather dependable but not great. I just think that guys like Mo or Paps are very, very rare. Being able to pitch multiple times per week with the game on the line almost every time and shut down the opposition 95% of the time is a rare, rare entity. I think a lot of people who look at Daniel Bard and say he's Paps replacement are missing that point. I could say the same thing about Mark Melancon or a few others. I like their stuff, I think they'll compete, but I dont think they are going to combine everything needed to be one of the best. We'll see,maybe they will. But dont bet on it[/quote']It's rare when I completely agree with you. This is one of those times.

[Dipre]

I will call a spade a spade whether he's wearing sox colors or pinstripes for the most part. Papelbon is a rare pitcher who can combine control with stuff and an iron stomach. We have one of those' date=' but he has publicly stated that next yr is his last big league season. So, we need to look for someone to take the load. I think we have a lot of internal options that could fit the Billy Beane catergory of closer. You know, the guy who'll convert 75-80% of his save chances and be rather dependable but not great. I just think that guys like Mo or Paps are very, very rare. Being able to pitch multiple times per week with the game on the line almost every time and shut down the opposition 95% of the time is a rare, rare entity. I think a lot of people who look at Daniel Bard and say he's Paps replacement are missing that point. I could say the same thing about Mark Melancon or a few others. I like their stuff, I think they'll compete, but I dont think they are going to combine everything needed to be one of the best. We'll see,maybe they will. But dont bet on it[/quote']

 

Top-of the line stuff and ice watered is a rare combination indeed.

 

You're 100% right, the excellent closer is indeed a difficult-to-find breed, however, it would not be impossible for the Sox to find another one of those if Papelbon were to depart.

[Spudboy]

Yeah, I have to agree also. But I have concerns over Pap's recent tenancy to put people on base in all circumstances. There is talk that he has adjusted his mechanics to preserve his shoulder / arm.

I'm not sure I buy it.

 

Bard may not be a closer now, but I believe he will develop his skills over the next season and a half.

[TheKilo]

It wasn't a playoff game with the season hanging in the balance. No one has yet laid a glove on Papelbon in those situations.

 

SSS

[YAZMAN]

Yeah' date=' I have to agree also. But I have concerns over Pap's recent tenancy to put people on base in all circumstances. [/quote']

 

This is absolutely correct. Many looked at this morning's box score and saw the 1.80 ERA to go along with the W, but the two BB jump off the screen at me. He gave up a hit, that's going to happen a lot but when you give up freebies they will come back to haunt you more often than not.

[BoSox21]

This is absolutely correct. Many looked at this morning's box score and saw the 1.80 ERA to go along with the W' date=' but the two BB jump off the screen at me. He gave up a hit, that's going to happen a lot but when you give up freebies they will come back to haunt you more often than not.[/quote']

 

Considering his BB/9 this season is precisely twice his career average, minors and majors, I see his 4.8 BB/9 this season to be nothing more than a statistical anomaly and that being said, I'm impressed that he's found a way to maintain an exceptional save conversion % and ERA while he's weathering this storm.

[Spudboy]

Considering his BB/9 this season is precisely twice his career average' date=' minors and majors, I see his 4.8 BB/9 this season to be nothing more than a statistical anomaly and that being said, I'm impressed that he's found a way to maintain an exceptional save conversion % and ERA while he's weathering this storm.[/quote']

 

I never said I was not impressed by Pap's work this season. The aggregate has been very acceptable. I'm just worried about his putting men on base when the game is on the line. It's great that he has managed (for the most part) to wiggle out of the jams he causes. I'd just be more comfortable if he were closer to lights out. As he used to be.