Papi

[jacksonianmarch]

the rule is generally, hitters dont do as well with 2 strikes. That is not debateable.

[Dipre]

the rule is generally' date=' hitters dont do as well with 2 strikes. That is not debateable.[/quote']

 

Thank you, captain obvious, i believe this has been stated at least 100 times already.

 

But thanks for the clarification.

[ms_sox]

Boston.com says they're considering dropping Ortiz in the lineup, now. Nothing confirmed yet tho. Magadan just said “I think that’s something we’re going to discuss. We’ll probably talk about it on the flight [to Minnesota]."

[SCM33]

.200 doesnt look any better at 6 than it does at 3. You expect more from a number 3 hitter obviously, but a DH who hits .200 is not a good fit anywhere in the lineup 1-9.

[TedWilliams101]

I said this before, that HR he hit meant jack s***. Until he gets his legs back underneath him and can routinely get solid contact on fastballs, he's worthless. I love him, but at this point, he needs to figure it out in AAA, not the big league club. Once he proves he can hit again, then let him back in the big boys lineup. The past means jack s***, all that matters is the present.

[TheKilo]

.200 doesnt look any better at 6 than it does at 3. You expect more from a number 3 hitter obviously' date=' but a DH who hits .200 is not a good fit anywhere in the lineup 1-9.[/quote']

 

THANK YOU

[SCM33]

THANK YOU

 

I dont know for what....but your welcome kilo haha.

[Cocos Disciples]

I said this before' date=' that HR he hit meant jack s***. Until he gets his legs back underneath him and can routinely get solid contact on fastballs, he's worthless. I love him, but at this point, he needs to figure it out in AAA, not the big league club. Once he proves he can hit again, then let him back in the big boys lineup. The past means jack s***, all that matters is the present.[/quote']

 

Are they even allowed to send him to AAA? I'm honestly not sure.

[Jasonbay44]

Are they even allowed to send him to AAA? I'm honestly not sure.

 

If he gets "Injured" he can rehab in AAA.

[Dipre]

Are they even allowed to send him to AAA? I'm honestly not sure.

 

Fake injury, rehab assignment....the works.

 

Kilo....Papi can't leave 8 men on base on a nightly basis from the 6-spot.

 

It's the lesser of 2 evils, and definitely a difference.

[SCM33]

Fake injury, rehab assignment....the works.

 

Kilo....Papi can't leave 8 men on base on a nightly basis from the 6-spot.

 

It's the lesser of 2 evils, and definitely a difference.

 

Dipre....

 

we cant have a DH hitting .195 with 1 HR 33% of the way through the season. AAA wont help him, hes already shown that he will get blown away from 88 MPH fastballs. Hes toast, its a sad thing to see with all the things hes done with us.....but its time to take ole yeller out back for a bullet to the head.

[La mujer bonita]

Dipre....

 

we cant have a DH hitting .195 with 1 HR 33% of the way through the season. AAA wont help him, hes already shown that he will get blown away from 88 MPH fastballs. Hes toast, its a sad thing to see with all the things hes done with us.....but its time to take ole yeller out back for a bullet to the head.

 

I'm not sure what the point of that would be. He is under contract for $12.5 million for this season and next, which you have to pay him whether you play him or shoot him. It makes more sense to me to find some phantom injury and send him off to rehab, like the Yanks did with Wang. You may be able to salvage the last half of the season at least.

 

In any event, if anyone in this town has earned the right to the club's support while he tries to figure it out, it's David Ortiz. Maybe not from the third spot and maybe not even on the active roster, but he deserves a lot better than a "here's your hat, what's your hurry" attitude from the Red Sox.

[BSN07]

Are they even allowed to send him to AAA? I'm honestly not sure.

It be risky, but they could try and pass him through waivers. He's still got a hefty sum on his deal. Not sure there's too many teams out there that would take that risk. But I guess theres the chance of a crazy GM somewhere. In that case, well at least we be free and clear and could move on.

Dipre....

 

we cant have a DH hitting .195 with 1 HR 33% of the way through the season. AAA wont help him, hes already shown that he will get blown away from 88 MPH fastballs. Hes toast, its a sad thing to see with all the things hes done with us.....but its time to take ole yeller out back for a bullet to the head.

Although this view is one of the more extreme examples, you may in the end be right. Ortiz just can't hit. It's becoming very hard to watch. But Tek tanked last season, and Francona road him all the way down. So I bet for the time being Ortiz will stay in the lineup.

I'm not sure what the point of that would be. He is under contract for $12.5 million for this season and next' date=' which you have to pay him whether you play him or shoot him. [b']It makes more sense to me to find some phantom injury and send him off to rehab[/b], like the Yanks did with Wang. You may be able to salvage the last half of the season at least.

 

In any event, if anyone in this town has earned the right to the club's support while he tries to figure it out, it's David Ortiz. Maybe not from the third spot and maybe not even on the active roster, but he deserves a lot better than a "here's your hat, what's your hurry" attitude from the Red Sox.

 

And what if he doesn't hit in the minors? He has to come back up eventually.

 

 

The fan part of my brain tends to agree with you. The other side tends to lean more with SCM. Time will tell.

[jacksonianmarch]

you cannot send him to the minors without his permission. That is what someone with his tenure and contract are allowed. You could DL him and just send him on a rehab assignment, but what is he rehabbing? At least with Wang, it was obvious that his velocity was down and it seems to have returned somewhat. With hitters its different. Its all about timing, bat speed and power. And right now, Ortiz just doesnt have them.

[jacksonianmarch]

Plus, he's the sox problem through next season too. 12.5 mil just eating up a roster spot with negative productivity isnt fun. It's like a Pavano, but this guy actually plays.

[BoSox21]

Wang's velocity was down and he had a leg injury last year. Ortiz's bat speed is down and he had a wrist injury last year. They could just make up some s*** like the Yanks did with Wang and put Ortiz in Pawtucket to "regain wrist strength" or something and I believe Ortiz would be all for it if that's what the Sox think would be best.

 

Plus' date=' he's the sox problem through next season too. 12.5 mil just eating up a roster spot with negative productivity isnt fun. It's like a Pavano, but this guy actually plays.[/quote']

 

Considering what Ortiz has given the organization for the duration of his tenure in Boston, I'd say only an antagonizing, delusional Yankee fan would draw a comparison between David Ortiz and Carl Pavano. Ironically, Pavano gave more to the Sox organization than he did the Yankees. He gave us Pedro.

[Dipre]

Considering what Ortiz has given the organization for the duration of his tenure in Boston' date=' I'd say only an antagonizing, delusional Yankee fan would draw a comparison between David Ortiz and Carl Pavano. Ironically, Pavano gave more to the Sox organization than he did the Yankees. He gave us Pedro.[/quote']

 

He's not delusional, he's just plain stupid.

[BSN07]

There reporting on ESPNRadio, that the Sox are going to move Ortiz from the #3 spot. Take it for what it is.

[BoSox21]

There reporting on ESPNRadio' date=' that the Sox are going to move Ortiz from the #3 spot. Take it for what it is.[/quote']

 

Dave Magadan alluded to that yesterday, saying it was something they were gonna discuss on the plane to Minneapolis. We'll find out in an hour or so...

[Dipre]

Dave Magadan alluded to that yesterday' date=' saying it was something they were gonna discuss on the plane to Minneapolis. We'll find out in an hour or so...[/quote']

 

ESPNLA and Foxsports.com are reporting the lineup change will happen today.

 

But as BSN07 said, take it for what it is.

[TheKilo]

you cannot send him to the minors without his permission. That is what someone with his tenure and contract are allowed. You could DL him and just send him on a rehab assignment' date=' but what is he rehabbing? At least with Wang, it was obvious that his velocity was down and it seems to have returned somewhat. With hitters its different. Its all about timing, bat speed and power. And right now, Ortiz just doesnt have them.[/quote']

 

There were some reports over the weekend that his wrist was bothering him again, so there's that.

[Teddyballgame10]

I have an idea that no one is probably going to like but its something different. Move Ortiz to first. Right now he is going up, striking out, then sitting in the dugout with nothing to think about at all. He just sits there with nothing to do or think about until he is due up. Give him a few games at first. Maybe it will help his confidence. Right now he offers nothing to the team. If he plays first maybe it will boost his confidence because he is contributing at least. He won't just solely be thinking about how much he is sucking at the plate. He could go up there with a clear head after coming of the field and maybe just swing away.

 

I know it hurts our D big time, but just try a few games, it can't hurt.

[Cocos Disciples]

I know it hurts our D big time, but just try a few games, it can't hurt.

 

wat

[BoSox21]

I know it hurts our D big time, but just try a few games, it can't hurt.

 

yea it can, cause you go from having GG defense at first to less then mediocre defense

[Teddyballgame10]

yea it can' date=' cause you go from having GG defense at first to less then mediocre defense[/quote']

 

Yea but just for a few games.

[BoSox21]

bottom line, they arent and they shouldnt do anything to help Ortiz at the expense of the team's chances of winning games.

[Dojji]

I have an idea that no one is probably going to like but its something different. Move Ortiz to first. Right now he is going up, striking out, then sitting in the dugout with nothing to think about at all. He just sits there with nothing to do or think about until he is due up. Give him a few games at first. Maybe it will help his confidence. Right now he offers nothing to the team. If he plays first maybe it will boost his confidence because he is contributing at least. He won't just solely be thinking about how much he is sucking at the plate. He could go up there with a clear head after coming of the field and maybe just swing away.

 

I know it hurts our D big time, but just try a few games, it can't hurt.

 

Might not be the worst idea, but I don't think it'll ever happen because the defensive downgrade is too steep.

[TedWilliams101]

I know it hurts our D big time, but just try a few games, it can't hurt.

 

That statement makes zero sense. In the same sentence you say he will "hurt our D big time" and "It can't hurt". Which is it?

 

I think that's a terrible idea. If he has a couple errors and costs the team a win because of his defense, how will that "not hurt".

 

Ortiz just needs to get off this team right now. I don't care how, I don't care where he goes, he just shouldn't be in the lineup right now.

[Teddyballgame10]

That statement makes zero sense. In the same sentence you say he will "hurt our D big time" and "It can't hurt". Which is it?

 

I think that's a terrible idea. If he has a couple errors and costs the team a win because of his defense, how will that "not hurt".

 

Ortiz just needs to get off this team right now. I don't care how, I don't care where he goes, he just shouldn't be in the lineup right now.

 

What i'm trying to say its that yes it downgrades our defence but it would only be a few games and if it gets him back on track its worth it. It's just a few games.

[das11209]

How is Chris Carter doing in the minors - will he be able to take the DH spot?

 

I do not like Baldelli as DH.