2009 Yankees Game Thread

[yankees228]

David Price looks fantastic.

[Optimist]

Jeter 0 for 1000 since he got close to the hit record.

[yankees228]

Wow, every single game Joe Girardi seems to do something that makes absolutely no sense.

 

EDIT: Joe Girardi is horrible. Absolutely horrible. There is just nothing else to say at this point.

[a700hitter]

Wow' date=' every single game Joe Girardi seems to do something that makes absolutely no sense.[/quote']He's a terrible manager with a great team. They win in spite of him.

[yankees228]

He's a terrible manager with a great team. They win in spite of him.

 

I couldn't agree more. He absolutely sucks. They never should have let Torre go. I used to try to defend Girardi earlier this year, but it just isn't possible anymore. He is awful.

[yankees228]

The Yankees should do what the Devils do and fire their manager even though they're headed towards the playoffs.

[yankees228]

This is incredible. It's as if Girardi doesn't know his players strengths and weaknesses. It's one thing to go to Bruney at all, even though he has no control. It's another thing to go to him with two men on. Just brilliant Joe, bring in the guy with no control with runners on base. Real smart.

[VA Sox Fan]

Wow, every single game Joe Girardi seems to do something that makes absolutely no sense.

 

EDIT: Joe Girardi is horrible. Absolutely horrible. There is just nothing else to say at this point.

 

Agree 100%

[yankees228]

That could have all been avoided if they hadn't let Gaudin face those three batters in the seventh.

 

Also, pretty bad job by Maddon. He shouldn't have waited till their were two outs to go to Aybar. He should have went to him when he pinch hit Kapler with first and second and nobody out.

[a700hitter]

That could have all been avoided if they hadn't let Gaudin face those three batters in the seventh.

 

Also, pretty bad job by Maddon. He shouldn't have waited till their were two outs to go to Aybar. He should have went to him when he pinch hit Kapler with first and second and nobody out.

Don't forget that Maddon handed in a lineup card with 2 third basemen. He's a real brain surgeon.

[Optimist]

Jeter 0 for 1000 since he got close to the hit record.

 

0 for 1001

[jacksonianmarch]

Swisher walks off. 90-50. This team is ridiculous

[suns]

Swisher walks off. 90-50. This team is ridiculous

 

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[yankees228]

Girardi really needs to make better decisions. He has to recognize that it was the incorrect move to try to push his luck with Gaudin against the heart of the order in the seventh. He left him in at least two batters too long. That easily could have ended up costing them the game.

 

Also, it's one thing to bring Bruney in the game with nobody on base, but it makes no sense to bring a guy in with runners on base who struggles with control.

 

These are the kind of things that will kill a team in the playoffs against better competition.

[a700hitter]

Girardi really needs to make better decisions. He has to recognize that it was the incorrect move to try to push his luck with Gaudin against the heart of the order in the seventh. He left him in at least two batters too long. That easily could have ended up costing them the game.

 

Also, it's one thing to bring Bruney in the game with nobody on base, but it makes no sense to bring a guy in with runners on base who struggles with control.

 

These are the kind of things that will kill a team in the playoffs against better competition.

Pessimist! You are never happy no matter how big your lead. Just kidding. I know where you are coming from. The team is tremendously talented and they are on a role, but you have spotted their achilles heal-- the stupid manager who is still learning on the job. You know that all the accomplishments of this team can be undone by a couple of poor decisions by the manager in the post season, and you don't see him improving. I'd be concerned too, but i am considered to be a pessimist.

[ORS]

Girardi really needs to make better decisions. He has to recognize that it was the incorrect move to try to push his luck with Gaudin against the heart of the order in the seventh. He left him in at least two batters too long. That easily could have ended up costing them the game.

 

Also, it's one thing to bring Bruney in the game with nobody on base, but it makes no sense to bring a guy in with runners on base who struggles with control.

 

These are the kind of things that will kill a team in the playoffs against better competition.

FWIW, how about you judge his ability to make playoff decisions once he's made his first one. The team is on cruise control right now. They have the division and home field locked up at this point. What happens between now and the start of the playoffs is irrelevant.

[a700hitter]

FWIW' date=' how about you judge his ability to make playoff decisions once he's made his first one. The team is on cruise control right now. They have the division and home field locked up at this point. What happens between now and the start of the playoffs is irrelevant.[/quote']He's made bad decisions all season long. Fortunately for him, he is managing a powerhouse.

[ORS]

And if I were to grade Terry Francona on the merits of his regular season managing, I'd think he would be worthless in a must win game. However, after watching him in the postseason, I know that he manages differently. Girardi deserves a chance to make his first postseason decision as a manager before being called unfit for that job.

[Dojji]

it always hurts me when Swisher does something great for the Yankees. He's a guy I wanted the sox to go after aggressively. He was a near-perfect fit for exactly what we needed out of that last spot on the roster to help out with spelling Lowell, Drew and Ortiz.

 

Instead? Kotsay.

[yankees228]

FWIW' date=' how about you judge his ability to make playoff decisions once he's made his first one. The team is on cruise control right now. They have the division and home field locked up at this point. What happens between now and the start of the playoffs is irrelevant.[/quote']

 

I never said that Girardi is going to kill the Yankees in the playoffs with his managing. I am, however, concerned. We'll see what kind of job he does a month from now.

[yankees228]

Pessimist! You are never happy no matter how big your lead. Just kidding. I know where you are coming from. The team is tremendously talented and they are on a role' date=' but you have spotted their achilles heal-- the stupid manager who is still learning on the job. You know that all the accomplishments of this team can be undone by a couple of poor decisions by the manager in the post season, and you don't see him improving. I'd be concerned too, but i am considered to be a pessimist.[/quote']

 

What you just wrote is exactly how I feel.

[Cliff]

I would personally bring in Brian Bruney... he can potentially be a huge asset to the Yankees if he gets his issues ironed out. He was a rock at the start of the season until he ended up on the DL.. give the guy a chance.

 

Especially with Robertson potentially out, they need more guys to trust from the pen. THey can't go to Hughes, Mo and Aceves for everything...

 

As for taking out Gaudin.. you're nuts. The guy was taken out in the 7th with I believe... 76 pitches? How can anyone in their right mind remove him from a game like tonight... with UNDER 70 pitches going into the 7th? Thats not going to happen... not at all.

 

As someone already stated, the Yanks are on cruise control... let some other guys prove what they can do and hope they'll carry it into October.

[yankees228]

I would personally bring in Brian Bruney... he can potentially be a huge asset to the Yankees if he gets his issues ironed out. He was a rock at the start of the season until he ended up on the DL.. give the guy a chance.

 

Especially with Robertson potentially out, they need more guys to trust from the pen. THey can't go to Hughes, Mo and Aceves for everything...

 

As for taking out Gaudin.. you're nuts. The guy was taken out in the 7th with I believe... 76 pitches? How can anyone in their right mind remove him from a game like tonight... with UNDER 70 pitches going into the 7th? Thats not going to happen... not at all.

 

As someone already stated, the Yanks are on cruise control... let some other guys prove what they can do and hope they'll carry it into October.

 

Bruney has had control problems his entire career. He had six good outings at the beginning of the year. Stop overstating what he has accomplished. I'm not a Brian Bruney fan, but I've accepted that he is going to be used. However, he really needs to come into the game with nobody on base. It is foolish to bring in a guy with poor control with men on base.

 

As for Gaudin, he has not been properly stretched out. Up until his last start he outings were very sporadic. If you go by his only two starts as a Yankee he ran out of gas around the 70 pitch mark. He was awful against the three guys he faced in the seventh. Also, he was excellent for the first three innings, but he did get a little bit lucky in the fourth, fifth, and sixth.

 

In the fourth, after walking the second batter (Zobrist) he went to 3-2 on Burrell. He threw a pitch that was designed to be on the outside corner, but ran back over the inside corner. He got lucky that he got the strike call with the catcher having to move his glove so far, and he got lucky that Maddon decided to send Zobrist (pretty dumb considering the batter).

 

Then, in the fifth, he got another lucky double play on a ball that was lined back to him. I give him credit for making a nice fielding play, but he got lucky that a hard ball was hit right at a fielder.

 

And, in the sixth, the Rays gave him an out on the base paths with their best hitter up.

 

Gaudin was very good tonight, but he did not cruise through his final three innings like he did in the first three.

[jacksonianmarch]

FWIW' date=' how about you judge his ability to make playoff decisions once he's made his first one. The team is on cruise control right now. They have the division and home field locked up at this point. What happens between now and the start of the playoffs is irrelevant.[/quote']

 

Yes and no, ORS. Girardi has made some pretty poor decisions through the season that have been overcome by the team's offense. Bringing in guys who have no business pitching important innings only to give up leads that the offense would replenish later. Also, starting B lineups against the sox and other division leaders when guys had been adequately rested. That being said, getting those guys some PT in crunch time could be beneficial later on AND now those same players who were rested and sat are even more rested for the playoffs. The team turned out to be so good that his method of managing was beneficial in the long run. Although his playoff management is gonna be a bit scary since he wasnt very good at managing for that one win. But I would assume his tactics would change in the playoffs. A little less Hairston and a little more of the A lineup. A little less Bruney with a 1 run lead, a little more Hughes-Mo to close out games.

[a700hitter]

I'd say that the difference between Tito and Girardi in the regular season is that Tito is prone to make mistakes by not making in game moves. He almost never PH's and he always seems to leave the starter in until the other team gets 7 runs. My observation of Girardi is that he makes panic moves even during the regular season. He makes plenty of moves, but often they make little sense.

[yankees228]

Yes and no' date=' ORS. Girardi has made some pretty poor decisions through the season that have been overcome by the team's offense. Bringing in guys who have no business pitching important innings only to give up leads that the offense would replenish later. Also, starting B lineups against the sox and other division leaders when guys had been adequately rested. That being said, getting those guys some PT in crunch time could be beneficial later on AND now those same players who were rested and sat are even more rested for the playoffs. The team turned out to be so good that his method of managing was beneficial in the long run. Although his playoff management is gonna be a bit scary since he wasnt very good at managing for that one win. But I would assume his tactics would change in the playoffs. A little less Hairston and a little more of the A lineup. A little less Bruney with a 1 run lead, a little more Hughes-Mo to close out games.[/quote']

 

The Hughes and Mo thing is a very good example. For instance, in a regular season game with a lead after six innings, Girardi might go to Robertson for the seventh, Hughes for the eighth, and Rivera for the ninth. Instead, in the playoffs, it needs to be Hughes and Rivera for the seventh, eighth, and ninth. Robertson has done a nice job, but he needs to be eliminated from the close and late game equation.

 

It reminds me of what Torre did in 2004. Throughout the whole year Torre used Quantrill, Gordon, and Rivera in close games. However, once they got to the postseason, Quantrill was eliminated from the equation. Torre made a few mistakes in the postseason, most of them in 2004, but, for the most part, he really got the idea of how to manage in the postseason.

[yankees228]

I bet Joba is going to say after the game that he pitched well. Jacko, you said in another thread that this is just the ebb and flow of a young pitcher. I really disagree. He hasn't had a good start since the third start after the ASB. I know the Yankees are playing around with him, and that has probably messed him up, but if the Yankees make the ALCS he is probably going to get a start. That is a very scary proposition.

[yankees228]

Teixeira and A-Rod both got ahead 3-0 and both got out. Part of it really speaks to the fact that players who are as good as Teixeira and A-Rod should be looking to swing more on 3-0. They both got very hittable pitches (A-Rod's was a little bit up but still a good pitch to swing at) on 3-0.

[Keeper]

I bet Joba is going to say after the game that he pitched well. Jacko' date=' you said in another thread that this is just the ebb and flow of a young pitcher. I really disagree. He hasn't had a good start since the third start after the ASB. I know the Yankees are playing around with him, and that has probably messed him up, but if the Yankees make the ALCS he is probably going to get a start. That is a very scary proposition.[/quote']

 

The real problem is you can't tell if this was a good start or not. Three innings doesn't tell you much about a starter. He settled down after the first inning. If Girardi had thrown him out there for two more innings, you'd have a much better idea of how he's pitching.

[yankees228]

The real problem is you can't tell if this was a good start or not. Three innings doesn't tell you much about a starter. He settled down after the first inning. If Girardi had thrown him out there for two more innings' date=' you'd have a much better idea of how he's pitching.[/quote']

 

That's possible, however, while he was out there he was not getting good results. He also was getting very few swings and misses against the better hitters in the lineup, and in his last inning every hitter (Crawford, Longoria, and Zobrist) all hit the ball well. I wouldn't call it an awful outing, because he didn't really get a chance to go deep in the game, but I would hardly call it a step in the right direction.