2009 Yankees Game Thread

[yankees228]

Awful, awful game all the way around. Too many things to even talk about. The loss, by itself, doesn't really concern me. Neither does Mitre's subpar performance. Both of those things are relatively insignificant in the long run. However, the terrible defense is a concern, and something that is beginning to become a trend.

[yankees228]

Hard to even say if this was a bad outting for Mitre.. if the defense was solid' date=' I'm sure the outcome wouldve been different for him. 7 runs, 5 earned so far.. but a lot of those runs dont belong on the board. Hate watching games like this.[/quote']

 

His defense really let him down, but he still didn't look good. He left a lot of pitches in the middle of the plate, and there were some balls that were really hit hard. He also hit a wall around 80 pitches, which is way too early.

[a700hitter]

His defense really let him down' date=' but he still didn't look good. He left a lot of pitches in the middle of the plate, and there were some balls that were really hit hard. He also hit a wall around 80 pitches, which is way too early.[/quote']Even if they played a player short in the field, it doesn't excuse 10 runs.

[yankees228]

Even if they played a player short in the field' date=' it doesn't excuse 10 runs.[/quote']

 

I agree, he was awful. Way too many base runners that weren't anyone's fault but his own. However, he was significantly hurt by his defense. Three errors (Hairston, Cano, and Teixeira), one fly ball that was lost in the sun (Swisher), one fielding mistake (Hairston), and a batter reaching on a strikeout (Molina). Six defensive miscues behind you in only four and a third innings is a ton.

[Gom]

These games are so boring now. Who cares? Yankees will finish with best record in AL. Games mean absolutely diddly squat now.

[a700hitter]

These games are so boring now. Who cares? Yankees will finish with best record in AL. Games mean absolutely diddly squat now.

You could pray for a Mets-like collapse to make things interesting.

[Gom]

You could pray for a Mets-like collapse to make things interesting.

 

It would make things interesting. This team reminds me a bit of 1998. Not as good, but damn good.

[a700hitter]

It would make things interesting. This team reminds me a bit of 1998. Not as good' date=' but damn good.[/quote']... but without the PEDs.

[yankees228]

It would make things interesting. This team reminds me a bit of 1998. Not as good' date=' but damn good.[/quote']

 

I really don't like people comparing this team to the 1998 team. Keep this in mind, if the Yankees were to win their last 25 games this season they would still fall two games shy of the mark set by the 1998 team. On top of that, what really separates the two teams is starting pitching. The 1-4 in 1998 of Wells, Cone, Pettitte, and Hernandez (second half) is much better than Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Chamberlain. The offenses are pretty comparable, and the bullpens are similar as well.

 

This is probably the best team the Yankees have had since 2003, but, right now, I would still take the 2003 team.

[yankees228]

These games are so boring now. Who cares? Yankees will finish with best record in AL. Games mean absolutely diddly squat now.

 

What if the Angels win their remaining four games against the Yankees, which is entirely possible, especially considering three of them are out in Anaheim?

[Optimist]

What if the Angels win their remaining four games against the Yankees' date=' which is entirely possible, especially considering three of them are out in Anaheim?[/quote']

 

If the Yankees went 13 - 12, the Angels would have to go 19 - 8 to tie the Yankees. The Yankees are playing Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Seattle, Kansas City, Boston, and LA down the stretch; I would say there's more than 13 wins there. LA could end up with the best record...but it's more unlikely than not, I'd say.

[yankees228]

If the Yankees went 13 - 12' date=' the Angels would have to go 19 - 8 to tie the Yankees. The Yankees are playing Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Seattle, Kansas City, Boston, and LA down the stretch; I would say there's more than 13 wins there. LA could end up with the best record...but it's more unlikely than not, I'd say.[/quote']

 

I agree, however, that all changes if the Angels can take all four from the Yankees, and we both know that is very possible.

[Cliff]

I agree' date=' he was awful. Way too many base runners that weren't anyone's fault but his own. However, he was significantly hurt by his defense. Three errors (Hairston, Cano, and Teixeira), one fly ball that was lost in the sun (Swisher), one fielding mistake (Hairston), and a batter reaching on a strikeout (Molina). Six defensive miscues behind you in only four and a third innings is a ton.[/quote']

 

Yeah, the game was very painful to watch. But I disagree that Mitre looked awful. All things considered... I'd say it wasn't an awful outting..

 

Mitre was getting frustrated, forced to get 5-6 outs an inning.. it was tough to watch. Yes, he died at around 80 pitches, but 80 pitches into the 7th inning is a lot different than 80 into the 5th. Big difference from 10 pitch innings and 20 pitch innings.

 

The only thing Mitre couldve done was pick up his defense and get some key outs. But when he has to pick up his defense every inning for 5 innings.. thats a bit much.

[a700hitter]

Yankee coverage is like a Derek Jeter orgy with him chasing Gehrig's hit record.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees are playing the B Lineup in game 1-- no Damon, Matsui.

[yankees228]

Yeah, the game was very painful to watch. But I disagree that Mitre looked awful. All things considered... I'd say it wasn't an awful outting..

 

Mitre was getting frustrated, forced to get 5-6 outs an inning.. it was tough to watch. Yes, he died at around 80 pitches, but 80 pitches into the 7th inning is a lot different than 80 into the 5th. Big difference from 10 pitch innings and 20 pitch innings.

 

The only thing Mitre couldve done was pick up his defense and get some key outs. But when he has to pick up his defense every inning for 5 innings.. thats a bit much.

 

He gave up 11 hits and 2 walks in only 4.1 innings pitched. You can slice that any way you want, but that is not very good. His defense really let him down, and made his outing worse than it was, but he still did not pitch well. Don't forget that 9 of the 11 runs he allowed were earned.

 

Also, it doesn't matter whether it was the 5th inning of the 7th inning when he hit that wall. As a starting pitcher, you cannot hit a wall at 80 pitches. Also, there is not a single starting pitcher who consistently has 80 pitches in the 7th inning, for whatever that is worth. However, I'll admit that part of him hitting that wall is not his fault, because he has not been properly stretched out.

[a700hitter]

The Rays just gave the Yanks an unearned run. Bartlett booted a two out grounder by Tex who then scored on a double by ARod.

[ORS]

The Rays just gave the Yanks an unearned run. Bartlett booted a two out grounder by Tex who then scored on a double by ARod.

They haven't played good against the Yankees since their cellar dwelling days. As soon as they got respectable, they started bending over for NY.

[Cliff]

He gave up 11 hits and 2 walks in only 4.1 innings pitched. You can slice that any way you want, but that is not very good. His defense really let him down, and made his outing worse than it was, but he still did not pitch well. Don't forget that 9 of the 11 runs he allowed were earned.

 

Also, it doesn't matter whether it was the 5th inning of the 7th inning when he hit that wall. As a starting pitcher, you cannot hit a wall at 80 pitches. Also, there is not a single starting pitcher who consistently has 80 pitches in the 7th inning, for whatever that is worth. However, I'll admit that part of him hitting that wall is not his fault, because he has not been properly stretched out.

 

Yes, it does matter. If you had to lift 200lbs 10x over an hour, or 10x over 10min.. what would make you more tired? Very simple to figure out.

 

You need to stop looking at stats for that game. On paper, it looked awful. Innings were extended several times throughout that game. How many of those hits came after those errors? He should have been out of innings way earlier.. if there were no miscues, it wouldnt have been 11 hits.. not even close.

 

2 of those earned runs came from bases loaded walks from Mark Melancon.. dont forget Hairstons double pump, let the runners score and be safe at first... that kept the inning going. There were a lot of mistakes that didnt show up on a damn piece of paper that really hurt Mitre.

[jacksonianmarch]

He gave up 11 hits and 2 walks in only 4.1 innings pitched. You can slice that any way you want, but that is not very good. His defense really let him down, and made his outing worse than it was, but he still did not pitch well. Don't forget that 9 of the 11 runs he allowed were earned.

 

Also, it doesn't matter whether it was the 5th inning of the 7th inning when he hit that wall. As a starting pitcher, you cannot hit a wall at 80 pitches. Also, there is not a single starting pitcher who consistently has 80 pitches in the 7th inning, for whatever that is worth. However, I'll admit that part of him hitting that wall is not his fault, because he has not been properly stretched out.

 

What a crazy weekend. That being said, Mitre in all honesty, should not be a SP right now. He's still in the rehab phase of TJS. As of right now, he's hit or miss and seems to have some use in a long relief role. But as a starter, right now, he isnt ready IMO. He should be a candidate for the back of the rotation for next yr and I think he'd have a bit more endurance with a full offseason and another 6 months or so under his belt post surgery

[jacksonianmarch]

Listened to it on the road until the last 3 innings. CC sounded like he battled in a few innings, but was pretty solid. Watched Hughes, he looked good, as did Mo. Glad to see the O get off the schneid vs the pen, cause they werent hitting Garza.

[26 to 6]

What a crazy weekend. That being said' date=' Mitre in all honesty, should not be a SP right now. He's still in the rehab phase of TJS. As of right now, he's hit or miss and seems to have some use in a long relief role. But as a starter, right now, he isnt ready IMO. He should be a candidate for the back of the rotation for next yr and I think he'd have a bit more endurance with a full offseason and another 6 months or so under his belt post surgery[/quote']

I think Mitre is an afterthought after this season is over. We won't have an immediate need for his services next year. He could be a good guy to have in AAA for depth, as was the case this year following his suspension and return from TJ. But he's not somebody I would envision ever being in the Yankee rotation following this September.

 

Good game this afternoon, now let's get 2!

[a700hitter]

26 to 6, in your signature, you have listed a bunch of numbers that you think should be retired. Do you really think #22 will be retired for Clemens? How do you assess the chances for O'Neil #22, Williams #51, Posada #20, and Pettitte #46?

[jacksonianmarch]

O'Neill's wont be retired IMO, but it should be. He was the unquestioned leader of our team for the first few yrs and then co-captained with Jeter for the last 2 championships. And, he was a pretty f***ing good player too

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Mitre is an afterthought after this season is over. We won't have an immediate need for his services next year. He could be a good guy to have in AAA for depth, as was the case this year following his suspension and return from TJ. But he's not somebody I would envision ever being in the Yankee rotation following this September.

 

Good game this afternoon, now let's get 2!

 

he was signed on a two yr deal for a reason. He has some really nice stuff and gets a good amount of swings and misses. I wouldnt write him off yet, especially since both Joba and Hughes are gonna be in the rotation and at least one of them will be on an IP limit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Burnett's stuff looks really good as usual, and when he's missing, he seems to be just off the plate. Even though there are more baserunners than I'd like, the worm may be turning in terms of AJ. Now, all he has to do is pitch with a lead. 8-1 on an 8 run inning in the 3rd. This team is just rolling. If we finish this off, we'd be 89-50, 39 games over, which would be a high water mark, and we'd only need to go 11-12 to finish at 100 wins. And, with a win tonight, the magic number drops to 15

[Optimist]

With Pena being done for the year, Tex must really be gunning to be the league leader in HR. Second of the game makes it 9 - 1.

[26 to 6]

26 to 6' date=' in your signature, you have listed a bunch of numbers that you think should be retired. Do you really think #22 will be retired for Clemens? How do you assess the chances for O'Neil #22, Williams #51, Posada #20, and Pettitte #46?[/quote']

Wow I forgot all about that, I put those numbers in my sig way before the Mitchell Report came out. Of course 22 won't be retired, nor should it be. O'Neill is debatable, but I think it should be. Especially when you consider the backlash poor Latroy Hawkins received for wearing it at the start of last season. As for Posada, Andy, and Bernie I think those should/could be based on what those players meant to the organization and the championship teams. I mean, being a homegrown player and winning championships shouldn't automatically qualify somebody to have their number retired, but the Yankees obviously don't have a strict criteria as to who gets their number retired. When guys like Reggie (who played 5 seasons with the Yanks), and Maris, etc. have their numbers retired, why not retire the numbers of true Yankees who came up through the organization, succeeded on the game's biggest stage, and contributed so much in terms of talent and leadership. Doesn't matter though, we're running out of numbers anyway. As long as nobody ever wears 2 again all is good.

 

he was signed on a two yr deal for a reason. He has some really nice stuff and gets a good amount of swings and misses. I wouldnt write him off yet, especially since both Joba and Hughes are gonna be in the rotation and at least one of them will be on an IP limit

What are you talking about he's signed to a 2 year deal? Show me where it says that. As far as I remember Mitre signed a Minor League deal during the offseason, I dont remember anything about a guaranteed contract, nor a second year.

 

Edit: just went back and checked, you're half-right. Mitre signed a one year deal worth some guaranteed money with an option for next year. My mistake.

 

 

Btw, what's going on with this game? Are the umpires taking a night off or something? Why did Swisher remain at bat after he got hit in the elbow with a full count? And that ball obviously hit off of Hairston's foot, bad call by the umps. Good thing this is a blowout, otherwise Girardi might have some legitimate gripes about this game.

[yankees228]

Yes, it does matter. If you had to lift 200lbs 10x over an hour, or 10x over 10min.. what would make you more tired? Very simple to figure out.

 

You need to stop looking at stats for that game. On paper, it looked awful. Innings were extended several times throughout that game. How many of those hits came after those errors? He should have been out of innings way earlier.. if there were no miscues, it wouldnt have been 11 hits.. not even close.

 

2 of those earned runs came from bases loaded walks from Mark Melancon.. dont forget Hairstons double pump, let the runners score and be safe at first... that kept the inning going. There were a lot of mistakes that didnt show up on a damn piece of paper that really hurt Mitre.

 

Mitre was not as bad as his final line. I agree with you. However, he pitched poorly. He left a lot of pitches up in the strike zone and he got hammered. His defense hurt him, but he still did not pitch well.

[yankees228]

Using his past starts as a guideline, Girardi would be smart to take out Gaudin very soon.