2009 Yankees Game Thread

[Dutchy]

I think he was taking what the lead would be if the sox lost half the games we played to this point and projected that forward. If the yankees and sox had split our 8 games thus far' date=' we would be 7 games up on you guys.[/quote']

 

No you wouldn't. We've won 8 games, we would have won 4, which means you guys would be 3 games up on us. And if you take 8 of our losses and give us a split in them, we'd be 5 games up on your

 

What's your point? That's not what happened.

[Dutchy]

So now you are going to contend that it is health setting aside the sox and the yankees? You guys had your chance.

 

ARod missed 28 games

Posada missed 24 days with a hammy injury

Bruney missed most of two months with elbow problems

Our backup catcher, Molina, has been out for two months.

We had a rookie catcher who hadnt played above AA ball starting for the better portion of 3 weeks.

We have lost Nady for the season

Wang missed a large chunk of time and figures to be out for another month.

 

Right now, for the red sox, the only injuries that matter are to Lowell and to DiceK. And neither are guaranteed to return to the level of their previous performance. Lowell has an arthritic hip that is irritated to a point that he is getting joint effusions. DiceK has a shoulder issue and a mental hiccup that seems to be a big hangup for him. If you are going to hang your hat on them alone and then cry foul, I am sorry. Neither of those guys are absolutely critical to your team. Now, you did lose Youk for 13 games, but you made do.

 

For the most part, I will ride the ebb and flow of the season because it seems that both our teams are riding relatively highly these days. But dont fool yourselves. This yankee team is a different team than they were in April when we were 2 games under .500 and struggling to score or get good pen work. And over that period of time, we have been the best team in baseball and nearly 5 games better than the sox. Even when you include the 3 game sweep awhile back. I do think the yankees are the better team. I thought it in ST. I think it now. I think that over the rest of the season, it will bear out. I also think that the sox are the second best team in baseball even though they have a 1 game lead on us. I have a feeling both of us will be meeting in the playoffs and I hope to god that our regular season record doesnt reflect the potential outcome of that meeting when it all counts.

 

No, you are the ONLY poster here using injuries as an excuse. I'm just pointing out that it's a ******** excuse because the Red Sox had just as many injuries.

 

And don't give bull about how our 3rd starter and our regular 3rd baseman aren't important to our team and then list Brian Bruney and your backup catcher on your list.

 

And don't fool yourself, this Red Sox team is a different team than it was in April when it's top 3 starters all put up ERA's over 5 and Ortiz had a .600 OPS.

 

Are you done with the excuses now?

[TedWilliams101]

I think he was taking what the lead would be if the sox lost half the games we played to this point and projected that forward. If the yankees and sox had split our 8 games thus far' date=' we would be 7 games up on you guys.[/quote']

 

I contend the following.

 

The Yankees don't split their remaining games with the Red Sox.

 

Oh, and Dice-K anyone?

 

Really?

[TheKilo]

No you wouldn't. We've won 8 games, we would have won 4, which means you guys would be 3 games up on us. And if you take 8 of our losses and give us a split in them, we'd be 5 games up on your

 

What's your point? That's not what happened.

 

That's not true.

 

A Yanks win v. the Sox is a two game swing.

 

Think of it this way:

 

Sox are 50-33

Yanks are 49-34

 

If the Sox went 4-4 against the Yanks instead of 8-0, here's the records:

 

Yanks 53-30

Sox 46-37

 

That's a 7 game lead, homeslice.

[yankees228]

That's not true.

 

A Yanks win v. the Sox is a two game swing.

 

Think of it this way:

 

Sox are 50-33

Yanks are 49-34

 

If the Sox went 4-4 against the Yanks instead of 8-0, here's the records:

 

Yanks 53-30

Sox 46-37

 

That's a 7 game lead, homeslice.

 

That was my point the whole time, about the two game swing. I should have showed records like you did.

[TheKilo]

To put the kabbash on this thread, let me repost something I said last week:

 

So it's pretty clear the Sox and Yanks are the two best teams in all of baseball' date=' and the Mets are probably the most pathetic.[/quote']

[Dutchy]

That's not true.

 

A Yanks win v. the Sox is a two game swing.

 

Think of it this way:

 

Sox are 50-33

Yanks are 49-34

 

If the Sox went 4-4 against the Yanks instead of 8-0, here's the records:

 

Yanks 53-30

Sox 46-37

 

That's a 7 game lead, homeslice.

 

 

You're right, my bad. If the win is changed to a loss after the fact it does end up counting two games in the standings. I was hung up on the fact that if the Yankees beat the Red Sox in real life, they add 1 to their win column (.5 games) and we add one to our loss column (.5 games) which adds up to 1 game in the standings.

 

Thank god that's the way we play baseball

[jacksonianmarch]

No you wouldn't. We've won 8 games, we would have won 4, which means you guys would be 3 games up on us. And if you take 8 of our losses and give us a split in them, we'd be 5 games up on your

 

What's your point? That's not what happened.

 

I think Kilo showed you the basic concept of baseball math. But feel free to look like a fool anytime you like

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually, the Red Sox could lose and the Yankees could win and the Red Sox would still have the best record in the AL.

 

Yeah, other than the .85 difference in bullpen ERA, the bullpens are a wash. Whatever you say Gom.

 

I think the yankee pen right now could hang with the sox pen. Not the case at the beginning of the yr. And the sox do get credit for doing it all season. But with Bruney back, Mariano being in lockdown, Hughes in the setup role and Aceves acting as Ramiro Mendoza incarnate, our pen has gotten a lot stronger. Though it will take a hit now that Aceves moves back into the rotation and we get to lean on Albaladejo and Robertson a little more.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's not true.

 

A Yanks win v. the Sox is a two game swing.

 

Think of it this way:

 

Sox are 50-33

Yanks are 49-34

 

If the Sox went 4-4 against the Yanks instead of 8-0, here's the records:

 

Yanks 53-30

Sox 46-37

 

That's a 7 game lead, homeslice.

 

yep.

The sox record against teams not named the Yankees= 42-33 (.560)

The Yankees record against teams not from Boston= 49-26 (.653)

[TheKilo]

I think the Yankees are very very good but I'm reminded of the timeless Jacko quote:

 

"You're never as good as you look when things are going well and you're never as bad as you look when things are going bad."

 

Am I pleased with the Sox's homestand now? No - but it's not like they've tanked over the last ten games. They're still 5-5 in those games.

 

Yanks are riding a hot streak. They'll hit some bumps again soon. It's a long season, and to this point the Sox have been one game better. I expect this race to come down to the end.

[yankees228]

I think Kilo showed you the basic concept of baseball math. But feel free to look like a fool anytime you like

 

Jackson, Gom would look terrible when he couldn't hold a conversation with you without slinging personal insults your way. There is no need to stoop to the same level. You know how much those hinder a conversation.

[TedWilliams101]

yep.

The sox record against teams not named the Yankees= 42-33 (.560)

The Yankees record against teams not from Boston= 49-26 (.653)

 

Fine. The Yankees fans can have their "what-if" scenarios while us Red Sox fans will enjoy the reality of a 1-game lead.

[The_Destroyah]

Fine. The Yankees fans can have their "what-if" scenarios while us Red Sox fans will enjoy the reality of a 1-game lead.

 

agreed.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the Yankees are very very good but I'm reminded of the timeless Jacko quote:

 

 

 

Am I pleased with the Sox's homestand now? No - but it's not like they've tanked over the last ten games. They're still 5-5 in those games.

 

Yanks are riding a hot streak. They'll hit some bumps again soon. It's a long season, and to this point the Sox have been one game better. I expect this race to come down to the end.

 

I said the same thing multiple times. I think the yankees are the better team. I think the sox are the second best team. I expect it go to the wire. And I expect both teams to be playing each other in the ALCS.

[Dutchy]

yep.

The sox record against teams not named the Yankees= 42-33 (.560)

The Yankees record against teams not from Boston= 49-26 (.653)

 

Thank god we kick their ass on a regular basis then

[TheKilo]

I said the same thing multiple times. I think the yankees are the better team. I think the sox are the second best team. I expect it go to the wire. And I expect both teams to be playing each other in the ALCS.

 

Can't really argue.

 

The big wrench in this whole thing is obviously TB.

[Cocos Disciples]

Can't really argue.

 

The big wrench in this whole thing is obviously TB.

 

Yup, they scare the s*** out of me. Two ALE teams will be in the ALCS.

[yankees228]

Yup' date=' they scare the s*** out of me. Two ALE teams will be in the ALCS.[/quote']

 

Two ALE teams will be in the playoffs. To make that definite a statement about two best of five series is unfair in my opinion.

[Cocos Disciples]

Insert 'I think'. Fix'd.

[jacksonianmarch]

TB has gone 16-9 over the last month. Kazmir is back and looks like himself again. They sure are scary. I agree. I think the early lead and their early plunge could be their downfall, but they are one solid streak away from being within arms reach

[Gom]

Don't sleep on Texas if they get Halliday. I think Texas could blow away everyone with their young players in a trade.

[Cocos Disciples]

^ Texas has the pieces to be a perennial playoff team, especially in that division. I don't think they get too far this year, though.

[The_Destroyah]

^ Texas has the pieces to be a perennial playoff team' date=' especially in that division. I don't think they get too far this year, though.[/quote']

 

agree, being from texas i am somewhat of a Rangers fan and i think that as this team gets higher quality pitching in the years to come they will become lethal I see them competing in a WS within 5 years. thats a big prediction but i really think they are putting a great team together, it just gives rangers fans more of a reason to love Nolan Ryan

[Dutchy]

agree' date=' being from texas i am somewhat of a Rangers fan and i think that as this team gets higher quality pitching in the years to come they will become lethal I see them competing in a WS within 5 years. thats a big prediction but i really think they are putting a great team together, [b']it just gives rangers fans more of a reason to love Nolan Ryan[/b]

 

He's done a great job. Dominant, just dominant.

[Teddyballgame10]

What are their records vs winning teams?

[Dutchy]

What are their records vs winning teams?

 

Vs. AL teams currently with a winning record:

 

Red Sox - 28-20 (.583)

Yankees - 24-19 (.558)

 

*I could only find the AL records, that's why I used them. But the Red Sox had a better record in interleague, so I don't think only including AL teams skews the stats in their favor.

[TedWilliams101]

Vs. AL teams currently with a winning record:

 

Red Sox - 28-20 (.583)

Yankees - 24-19 (.558)

 

*I could only find the AL records, that's why I used them. But the Red Sox had a better record in interleague, so I don't think only including AL teams skews the stats in their favor.

 

Why even bother? Jacko is only going to have you take out the Yankee-Red Sox's games to make it look like the Yankees have had more success.

[Dutchy]

Why even bother? Jacko is only going to have you take out the Yankee-Red Sox's games to make it look like the Yankees have had more success.

 

A fellow, perfectly decent Red Sox fan asked a question so I answered it. Why should I have to be guarded about what I say, on a Red Sox forum no less, just because of one lame troll? :dunno:

[msubulldogs21]

Bottom 1st and the Yankees don't have the lead over the Twins yet? This is new.