2009 Yankees Game Thread

[RobiForMVP]

What a play by Joba.

[Gom]

Or, they'd look at how hitters perform once the count has reached a certain point, and they'd compare the difference across the league and find that one pitch being called a ball or strike would have massive impacts on expected performance from that point on. Then, they'd bring to your attention that the difference is so significant that if the skill were indeed repeatable, it would be measurable and the best would consistently be the best. Of course, you'd ignore that, becuz u watchezz teh gamezzz.

 

BTW, Bill James is one of those that finds little to no value in CERA, and I'd bet the house he's watched more games than you'd ever think to.

 

You old fool. This has already been done. All you have to do is look at a players batting average in certain counts. 0-0, 1-0, 0-1, etc.

 

You make no sense. You rarely do.

 

Here..let me help you, while I watch the game. Find out what the strike/ball percentage is for a pitcher is when a catcher is behind the plate. Then compare it to another catcher on the same team. Once again, the same limitations that are on CERA exist.

 

By the way, it's how things were done in baseball, and still are. Watching the game, that is. Too bad you don't know it. I'm just curious..since I know you're an old man...what did you do in the 80's? They only had BA as a stat then. Or did you just become a fan when Moneyball came out?

 

As for Bill James...I would never have the time to analyze the statistics as well as he does, nor would I likely be anywhere near as good at it. I would bet you I'd see things in the watching a game that he wouldn't. It's all about practice and willingness.

 

Oh by the way...wasn't your messiah the same one who predicted a 3.35 ERA for Hughes? He'd probably do better if he watched the gamezzz...as you so childishly like to say. I'm just waiting for an "pwned" or a "fail". It so becomes an older gent, doesn't it? Scouting is the way it has been done. All of your statistics, your formulas, especially defensive ones, are done by someone WATCHING the game and charting it. You scoff the very thing that you advocate.

 

Funny how you scorn things you don't understand.

[Gom]

Amazing play with Joba. Play of the day.

[yankees228]

That was horrible.

[redsoxrules]

wow... 3 straight walks to start the inning and they didn't score

[Dipre]

Jesus Christ, bases loaded, nobody out, a nobody named Aquino on the mound.......and the Yankees fail to score a run with A-Rod, Posada and Cano at the plate LOL!

[ORS]

Corrections (typically needed to rebut Gom posts):

 

The question wasn't how to do this comparison, it was to get you to address the comparison that has already been made. You still have not done this.

 

They did not only have BA as a stat in the 80's. It's the only thing the media cared about at that time. James formulated his RC metric in the 70's. The first iteration of that stat was OBP * Total Bases.

 

James doesn't project pitchers. He developed a projection system that even he doesn't rely on. He sold the proprietary formulae for his pitcher projections to others that publish them now.

 

Back to the 80's, I was in middle school. The old man jokes are stale, because I'd bet money I'm younger than you.

[RobiForMVP]

Swish FTW

[RobiForMVP]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone Intentionally walked in front of A-Rod.

[Dipre]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone Intentionally walked in front of A-Rod.

 

I've seen people intentionally walked in front of Pujols if there're runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out.

 

And btw, Cleveland is full of FAIL.

[diony]

That's what happens when you disrespect A-Rod.

[yankees228]

I've seen people intentionally walked in front of Pujols if there're runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out.

 

And btw, Cleveland is full of FAIL.

 

Really?

 

EDIT: If you can actually find an example of that I would be stunned.

[redsoxrules]

That's what happens when you disrespect A-Rod.

 

so what were they supposed to do ? Pitch to Tex , who has been on fire lately ?

[BoSox21]

That's what happens when you disrespect A-Rod.

 

so walking Tex with first base open and one out to set up the DP is somehow disrespecting A-Rod?

[RobiForMVP]

I've seen people intentionally walked in front of Pujols if there're runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out.

 

And btw, Cleveland is full of FAIL.

They have???

[Keeper]

Yankee fans must not know what to do with themselves. Joba pitching into the 7th inning? Wow, imagine that. Something a good starter should be able to do.

[yankees228]

Yankee fans must not know what to do with themselves. Joba pitching into the 7th inning? Wow' date=' imagine that. Something a good starter should be able to do.[/quote']

 

Some Yankee fans, spurred on by various members of the New York media.

[Gom]

Corrections (typically needed to rebut Gom posts):

 

The question wasn't how to do this comparison, it was to get you to address the comparison that has already been made. You still have not done this.

What are you talking about? Please clarify.

They did not only have BA as a stat in the 80's. It's the only thing the media cared about at that time. James formulated his RC metric in the 70's. The first iteration of that stat was OBP * Total Bases.

You missed the sarcasm.

James doesn't project pitchers. He developed a projection system that even he doesn't rely on. He sold the proprietary formulae for his pitcher projections to others that publish them now.

This is hysterical. Just read this part over and over for a good laugh. He doesn't project them, but he developed a projection system and sold the formula...but he doesn't project them. ORS, JHB would be proud of you.

Back to the 80's, I was in middle school. The old man jokes are stale, because I'd bet money I'm younger than you.

I thought you were older. So we're about the same age, since I was also in middle school in the 80's. I'm 36, going on 37 in July. What about you?

 

By the way...you're liking Joba today in our league, aren't ya? :thumbsup:

[diony]

He should go out for the 8th.

[Dipre]

Really?

 

EDIT: If you can actually find an example of that I would be stunned.

 

Are you serious?

 

Did you start watching baseball, like, yesterday?

 

Setting up the double play is common practice among managers no matter who's at the plate next.

 

The only hitter i won't say this happened to was Bonds during his San Francisco days, but i've seen it happen to Pujols, Howard, Chpper, and basically every big name hitter with a groundout pitcher on the mound and in a game-ends-on-a-sac-fly situation with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

 

Gom, ORS is 35, and the irony in the fact that you're older than him is truly delightful.

[Cocos Disciples]

On the subject of IBBs and Pujols, he was walked with the bases empty against KC last week. He's good.

[yankees228]

Are you serious?

 

Did you start watching baseball, like, yesterday?

 

Setting up the double play is common practice among managers no matter who's at the plate next.

 

The only hitter i won't say this happened to was Bonds during his San Francisco days, but i've seen it happen to Pujols, Howard, Chpper, and basically every big name hitter with a groundout pitcher on the mound and in a game-ends-on-a-sac-fly situation with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

 

Gom, ORS is 35, and the irony in the fact that you're older than him is truly delightful.

 

Putting some contact hitting number two batter on base ahead of the greatest player in the game, whether it be the first inning or the ninth inning is not a common practice.

 

Given the example you used, the common practice would be to try and get the number two hitter out, intentionally walk Pujols, and then try to get the clean up hitter out.

[redsoxrules]

On the subject of IBBs and Pujols' date=' he was walked with the bases empty against KC last week. [b']He's good[/b].

 

Realy?

[Cocos Disciples]

Realy?

 

So I've heard.

[yankees228]

On the subject of IBBs and Pujols' date=' he was walked with the bases empty against KC last week. He's good.[/quote']

 

Yup, so it makes perfect sense that teams would want to put more runners on base for him.

 

And DipreG, before you go nuts about that, I get the point about the double play, but not in front of Pujols. Almost every player in baseball sees his numbers go up with the bases loaded. Managers are not, intentionally, going to give Pujols the luxury of hitting with the bases loaded.

[Gom]

Gom, ORS is 35, and the irony in the fact that you're older than him is truly delightful.

Why did I think he was in his 50's? Oh well.

[diony]

Win.

[Gom]

Greatest defensive team of all time....the 2009 New York Yankees! I LOVE IT!!!! LOL!

[jacksonianmarch]

This is why you dont move Chamberlain back to the pen. He can be dominant and as the career goes along, he will be dominant

[TheKilo]

dominant, just dominant