Curt Schilling retires

[David Bowie]

oh. well they're still bums now.

[David Bowie]

I think it's somewhat humourous that the reason he retired was because his baseball career was getting in the way of his scheduled raiding times and he had to pick one or the other. Given the direction of his career, I'd go with raiding too.

[CrespoBlows]

Schilling is in.

 

His career 127 ERA+, 3,000 K's, his sterling postseason record, and his historically good K/BB ratios should be enough. He didn't have the gaudy win totals, but Catfish Hunter got in mainly on his postseason resume, and his ERA numbers are not impressive compared to Schilling.

[a700hitter]

Schilling is in.

 

His career 127 ERA+, 3,000 K's, his sterling postseason record, and his historically good K/BB ratios should be enough. He didn't have the gaudy win totals, but Catfish Hunter got in mainly on his postseason resume, and his ERA numbers are not impressive compared to Schilling.

El Tiante should be in because Catfish is in.

[David Bowie]

he might not get in because he doesn't have over 300 wins.

[MANNYHOF24]

Thanks for the two rings Curt' date=' will look forward to not hearing him talk anymore, especially with the way he stole $8 million in 2008.[/quote']

 

He didnt steal anything. The Red Sox medical staff thought he was well enough to pitch in 2008, it is their fault entirely.

[TheKilo]

No he pretty much stole $8 million from the Red Sox they paid him to pitch and he wanted surgery right out of the box.

[a700hitter]

It's a business. The Red Sox made a bad deal. Curt made a good deal. The blame is at the feet of the FO and the medical staff.

[ORS]

SIR YES SIR!

 

Anything you say, my superior. Because I feel his legacy is tarnished based on how he went out, that makes me a juvenile. Whatever you say, sir!

Hey, you're the one acting like a juvenile. Don't fault me for pointing it out.

 

Take away the team and the name, and here's what you are left with. Player A won a championship in the last season he played. He came back to play another year, but he got hurt and the injury ended his playing career.

 

This isn't going out on top? Only to a child who thinks Player A is a big meanie.

[TheKilo]

It's a business. The Red Sox made a bad deal. Curt made a good deal. The blame is at the feet of the FO and the medical staff.

 

Then how do you explain Curt bad mouthing the FO when they asked him to rehab the shoulder instead of have surgery?

[Gom]

Hats off to one of the best competitors. Hope you ride off in the sunset happy, Curt. I tip my hat to you.

[yeszir]

I still don't know how to feel about Curt. He more than made up for his personality on the field, but I'm left with mixed emotions.

[26 to 6]

Hey, you're the one acting like a juvenile. Don't fault me for pointing it out.

 

Take away the team and the name, and here's what you are left with. Player A won a championship in the last season he played. He came back to play another year, but he got hurt and the injury ended his playing career.

 

This isn't going out on top? Only to a child who thinks Player A is a big meanie.

I think he's a clown, not a "big meanie." And yes, everything aside, Curt Schilling's last game pitched was a World Series victory. No he did not go out on top. He sat there at home on his couch last year for $8 Million and bitched and moaned. There were even the rumors that he would have considered playing 2009 with the Yankees or Phillies (however true those rumors may be is irrelevant). He wanted to pitch this year, you know it, everyone knows it. Nobody would give him a shot, so he retired. He didn't go out on his own terms, he went out on the terms of the 30 teams unwilling to give him a look. If right after the 2008 season he said he was done that would be one thing, that would be more commendable. I'm not trying to take anything away from Curt's great career, even though much of his success came against my team, I'm just saying he didn't go out very well. I feel the same way of plenty of other players too. Clemens, Bonds, Bernie, you name it. There have been tons of guys who didn't go out on their own terms. You guys want to dismiss all of the off the field stuff when discussing what Schilling's legacy will be in the future, fine. Let's do the same thing with Roger. His last game pitched was a playoff game in which the Yankees won that I witnessed from the left field upper deck. Is that how he's going to be remembered as going out? Of course not. You can't ignore the off the field stuff, as much as you want to. Curt Schilling is as much of a loud-mouthed, whiny, crybaby bitch as Clemens is a liar and a cheater. Those are just facts.

[a700hitter]

Then how do you explain Curt bad mouthing the FO when they asked him to rehab the shoulder instead of have surgery?

His doctor proved to be right that he would not be able to rehab the shoulder without surgery. If the FO and medical staff had let him get the surgery right away maybe he could have been ready for the September stretch drive. You argument is getting weaker with each post.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I will never forget what Curt Schilling has done for this team. The man is a Red Sox postseason hero, and no matter what, you will never convince me that he is going out any other way than on top.

 

That said, when Curt Schilling speaks out in the media about A-rod, steroids, baseball rules, politics, or whatever else, I will look forward to the headline that reads 'Retired Pitcher Schilling Mouths Off About Stuff' rather than 'Red Sox Pitcher Schilling Mouths Off About Stuff'.

 

I guess what I'm saying is I'll miss everything except Curt's vocal cords and the mildly negative publicity they'd attract when he used them.

[ORS]

Those are just poorly developed opinions.

There, I fixed it for you and saved a boatload of space.

 

BTW, idiot, Clemens legacy is that of the greatest RH pitcher in history if his off field trangressions didn't put a shadow of doubt on the legitimacy of his on field performance. The two are inexorably linked. Nice try, but try bouncing your idea off someone with dash of sense next time before you post.

[TheKilo]

His doctor proved to be right that he would not be able to rehab the shoulder without surgery. If the FO and medical staff had let him get the surgery right away maybe he could have been ready for the September stretch drive. You argument is getting weaker with each post.

 

How is that possible? Is he ready to pitch now? The recovery period from surgery of that nature is at least 9 months. Don't be obtuse.

[TheKilo]

Let's do the same thing with Roger. His last game pitched was a playoff game in which the Yankees won that I witnessed from the left field upper deck. Is that how he's going to be remembered as going out? Of course not. You can't ignore the off the field stuff' date=' as much as you want to. Curt Schilling is as much of a loud-mouthed, whiny, crybaby bitch as Clemens is a liar and a cheater. Those are just facts.[/quote']

 

The one where he went 2.1 innings giving up 3 runs?

[a700hitter]

I think he's a clown' date=' not a "big meanie." .[/quote']You are entitled to your opinion, but IMO he is not in the same league as ARod when it comes to being a clown. ARod is an enormous embarrassment, and unlike Schilling who was post season money, ARod comes up smaller than an Irishman who has been swimming in ice water. Oh yeah, and he had to cheat to be such an utter failure.

[Dojji]

How is that possible? Is he ready to pitch now? The recovery period from surgery of that nature is at least 9 months. Don't be obtuse.

 

Neither Schilling nor the Sox were aware just how badly off the shoulder was when he signed. What happened afterward deserves to be viewed in the light of what was known at the time.

[TheKilo]

Neither Schilling nor the Sox were aware just how badly off the shoulder was when he signed. What happened afterward deserves to be viewed in the light of what was known at the time.

 

It was known at the time that if he had surgery he would miss the entire season.

[a700hitter]

How is that possible? Is he ready to pitch now? The recovery period from surgery of that nature is at least 9 months. Don't be obtuse.

In either case, there was no chance of him pitching without the surgery, so what is your point about his disagreement with the FO regarding the course of medical treatment?

[a700hitter]

It was known at the time that if he had surgery he would miss the entire season.

No it was not. His doctor claimed that he could have rehabbed and been ready for September. In the end, his doctor was right that he would not be able to pitch without surgery.

[TheKilo]

There was no chance of him pitching without the surgery but at the time there was a chance with rehab. His badmouthing of the FO telling him to rehab was the issue.

[a700hitter]

There was no chance of him pitching without the surgery but at the time there was a chance with rehab. His badmouthing of the FO telling him to rehab was the issue.

It's your opinion that he stole the $ because he bad mouthed the FO when they insisted that he rehab. That makes no sense, because he did the rehab like the FO wanted and all that was proved was that Schilling and his Doctor were right. So, how did he steal their money? Just quit on this issue before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

[Dojji]

There was no chance of him pitching without the surgery but at the time there was a chance with rehab. His badmouthing of the FO telling him to rehab was the issue.

 

Dr. Morgan said there was no chance. He said it at the time. In fact he was unprecedentedly outspoken on the subject, going so far as to state his objection publicly to the embarrassment of the Red Sox.

 

You cannot say definitively that there was a chance of it working when Schill's own most trusted doctor and a leading expert on sports medicine was saying exactly the opposite.

 

Personally I think it's to Schill's credit that he even tried the rehab in light of the fact that he knew Morgan thought it was going to do more damage than good. I guess he isn't the first player to adopt an "anything that might put me back out on the field soonest" approach.

[ORS]

It's your opinion that he stole the $ because he bad mouthed the FO when they insisted that he rehab. That makes no sense' date=' because he did the rehab like the FO wanted and all that was proved was that Schilling and his Doctor were right. So, how did he steal their money? Just quit on this issue before you make a bigger ass of yourself.[/quote']

It really is a nonsequitor. The only way to classify it as "theft" or "stealing", is to make the assumption that he knew he was hurt prior to cutting the deal. None of us know if this is the case, nor will any of us be able to prove it, so I prefer to stick to the facts. The facts are, he finished the season capable of pitching at the MLB level and he passed a physical by the Sox medical staff. This is what we know. Any filling in the blanks between the end of the season and the diagnosis should be avoided without some sort of credible first hand accounts.

[VA Sox Fan]

There are not enough words to thank Curt Schilling for what he did for the Red Sox. Not to mention the D-Backs. A post season master.

 

I wish he could figure out a way to SHUT UP 55,000 NYY fans again. Especially some of the retarded-ass NYY fans who post out here.

[a700hitter]

There are not enough words to thank Curt Schilling for what he did for the Red Sox. Not to mention the D-Backs. A post season master.

 

I wish he could figure out a way to SHUT UP 55,000 NYY fans again. Especially some of the retarded-ass NYY fans who post out here.

"Retarded-Ass"? You are sounding very presidential.

[TheKilo]

It's your opinion that he stole the $ because he bad mouthed the FO when they insisted that he rehab. That makes no sense' date=' because he did the rehab like the FO wanted and all that was proved was that Schilling and his Doctor were right. So, how did he steal their money? Just quit on this issue before you make a bigger ass of yourself.[/quote']

 

Let me slow it down for you, since this is obviously becoming increasingly difficult for you to grasp.

 

The Red Sox sign Curt Schilling to an $8 million dollar contract. Mutual decision.

 

It is discovered Curt Schilling has shoulder issues. Mutual blame on this one, how the Sox could sign him when his shoulder is hanging by a thread is beyond me.

 

There are two courses of action. Rehab or surgery. Schilling wants surgery. Red Sox FO wants rehab. Red Sox FO gets their way, much to the displeasure of Schilling, whose camp voices their displeasure.

 

Now. If Schilling wanted the surgery so badly, why didn't he just void his contract with the Sox and go get the surgery? Is it because he wanted the $8 million? If that's the case, Schilling made himself look like an ass for badmouthing the FO. All they did was try to get an investment from Schilling last season. Schilling's a smart guy, he should have realized all the Sox were doing was a business decision.

 

But he still felt the need to mouth off.

 

Perhaps stealing is too harsh of a word, but he had no reason for creating an ugly episode with the FO over this. Good thing for him Manny started to act like an ass and deflect attention.