Gammons dumbass prediction

[jacksonianmarch]

from BBTN at 5:15pm.

 

"John Smoltz will be the best pitcher in the AL come September"

 

Full of s***

[Cocos Disciples]

LOL I just saw that. But Steve Phillips said that Dontrelle Willis would win 15+ games.

 

Off the bat, I can name 7+ pitchers that will be better than Smoltz in the East, without even thinking.

[jacksonianmarch]

He said the AL, not just the AL East

[BoSox21]

it's a bold prediction but it wouldn't totally shock me

[Cocos Disciples]

He said the AL' date=' not just the AL East[/quote']

 

No he said AL East. That's why the other people in the background were like "What about Halladay, Sabathia..."

[BoSox21]

An argument can be made that either Halladay, Beckett, Lester, Sabathia, Shields or Kazmir will be the AL's best pitcher this season, all coming from the AL East

[BSN07]

from BBTN at 5:15pm.

 

"John Smoltz will be the best pitcher in the AL come September"

 

Full of s***

 

And what does your crystal ball say?

 

Gammons HOF writer- Jacko 13K posts on Talksox.....

 

All Gammons did was try and be interesting and different for his spot on BBTN. Any Stooge can say Halladay or any other obvious choice. But it make for a pretty boring segment.

 

If he had said any Yankee pitcher, you'd be lapping it up and saving your spot for the Championship parade...

[Gom]

Smoltz will be a mediocre pitcher in the AL East. If he can pitch, that is.

 

It seems funny that the teams are switching roles. The Red Sox are going for the older guys with the pedigree, and the Yankees are going for the guys in their prime without the history.

[BoSox21]

It seems funny that the teams are switching roles. The Red Sox are going for the older guys with the pedigree' date=' and the Yankees are going for the guys in their prime without the history.[/quote']

 

The difference is, you guys were counting on the older guys to come in and anchor the rotation. The average age of our top 3 starters is 27.

 

And I don't see how you think Smoltz will be ineffective provided he's healthy.

[example1]

Smoltz will be a mediocre pitcher in the AL East. If he can pitch, that is.

 

It seems funny that the teams are switching roles. The Red Sox are going for the older guys with the pedigree, and the Yankees are going for the guys in their prime without the history.

 

Yeah, like Burnett!

 

Smoltz had a great past few years--except for being out last season. I think that with plenty of rest and a lengthy recovery he could contribute a lot come June.

[rician blast]

It seems funny that the teams are switching roles. The Red Sox are going for the older guys with the pedigree' date=' and the Yankees are going for the guys in their prime without the history.[/quote']

 

Not true. The Sox FO feels like they have a nice nucleus and is filling in the holes with some veterans in a year in which they're containing costs.

 

The Yankees are doing what they do best.

[BSN07]

Smoltz will be a mediocre pitcher in the AL East. If he can pitch, that is.

 

It seems funny that the teams are switching roles. The Red Sox are going for the older guys with the pedigree, and the Yankees are going for the guys in their prime without the history.

 

The difference being the Yankees signed old veteran to long term deal, or for enormous amounts of money. The sox sign 1 year deal, that usually don't carry that much risk if the pitcher can't go.

 

 

Burnett 5yrs 70M, he kills your argument completely.

[Gom]

Guys...the Red Sox signed Saito, Smoltz, and Penny. All three injured, two of them old.

 

The Yankees signed two guys in their prime and in their mid/late 20s, and a pitcher with dominating stuff at 32, in which, most astute baseball people believe, will still have dominant stuff until at least 35, albeit with a spotty injury history.

 

I didn't say I don't like the moves, I'm just saying that the teams have reversed roles a bit. It's now the Red Sox who are going for the older, more brittle players. That's all.

[BoSox21]

Saying the teams have reversed roles would imply that the Sox used to be the ones throwing massive amounts of money at prized free agent pitchers.....which they've never done

[Dojji]

The Yankees signed people in their prime to compete with guys we already have. That's what you're missing, Gom. We have lesser holes, the guys we bring in to fill them will be lesser players,

 

You needed a #1 and #3 starter, we needed a #5 starter.

 

You need a third man in the bullpen, we needed a 7th man in the bullpen.

 

You needed a cleanup hitter, we needed a #8 hitter.

 

It's pretty much that simple.

 

Anywho, guys, don't count Smoltz out of consideration as an elite pitcher. He may be 41 but he's still John friggin' Smoltz and very capable of having a great year in a reduced role. As for you Yankee fans, shame on you. Mike Mussina should have taught you not to quite count the old guys out.

[Dipre]

The Yankees signed people in their prime to compete with guys we already have. That's what you're missing, Gom. We have lesser holes, the guys we bring in to fill them will be lesser players,

 

You needed a #1 and #3 starter, we needed a #5 starter.

 

You need a third man in the bullpen, we needed a 7th man in the bullpen.

 

You needed a cleanup hitter, we needed a #8 hitter.

 

It's pretty much that simple.

 

Anywho, guys, don't count Smoltz out of consideration as an elite pitcher. He may be 41 but he's still John friggin' Smoltz and very capable of having a great year in a reduced role. As for you Yankee fans, shame on you. Mike Mussina should have taught you not to quite count the old guys out.

 

Indeed.

 

However, i fail to see why you or Bosox would insist with arguing with either Gom or Jacko when they obviously have their bias-glasses on.......

[diony]

Well it might be possible. Look at Cliff Lee.

[Dipre]

Well it might be possible. Look at Cliff Lee.

 

diony takes the bias-glasses off, makes a decent post, and earns plenty of rep and respect along the way.

 

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[PATS12RULE]

smoltz' stuff is as nasty as ever. his numbers haven't suffered at all; it's only a question of his health. if he's healthy, he definitely has the potential to be the top starter in the AL east, or in the AL. gammons making that prediction may be true, but i would only be surprised if he's healthy and struggles.

[mtbykr]

from BBTN at 5:15pm.

 

"John Smoltz will be the best pitcher in the AL come September"

 

Full of s***

 

I take this to mean Gammo thinks he could be the best pitcher in the AL east in September. Just September, not the whole year. Come September a lot of guys will be tired and wearing down, and if Smoltz does what the sox want and take it slow he could be fresh and pitching great. It's an interesting statement, certainly not the lunacy you make it out to be.

[Gom]

The Yankees signed people in their prime to compete with guys we already have. That's what you're missing, Gom. We have lesser holes, the guys we bring in to fill them will be lesser players,

 

You needed a #1 and #3 starter, we needed a #5 starter.

 

You need a third man in the bullpen, we needed a 7th man in the bullpen.

 

You needed a cleanup hitter, we needed a #8 hitter.

 

It's pretty much that simple.

 

Anywho, guys, don't count Smoltz out of consideration as an elite pitcher. He may be 41 but he's still John friggin' Smoltz and very capable of having a great year in a reduced role. As for you Yankee fans, shame on you. Mike Mussina should have taught you not to quite count the old guys out.

No argument there, with one exception. The guys you've signed are all coming off injuries and are old. That's it. We had less holes than you in the past, and did exactly what you're doing. Don't read into it. What a terrible inferiority complex you guys have. When you signed Dice-K, Drew, and Lugo, you had holes we didn't. We were the one's going with the "veterans".

 

Just because it didn't work doesn't mean it won't work for you. That's it. All I'm saying, and people who are ESL like diaper can't understand it, but I'm not surprised since all he knows how to do is pump gas.

 

We're all biased towards out team, but I'm one of the least biased ones. Diaper, the next time you question my objectivity and compare it to Jacko's, God help me, I'll get you deported.

[BSN07]

I take this to mean Gammo thinks he could be the best pitcher in the AL east in September. Just September' date=' not the whole year. Come September a lot of guys will be tired and wearing down, and if Smoltz does what the sox want and take it slow he could be fresh and pitching great. It's an interesting statement, certainly not the lunacy you make it out to be.[/quote']

 

It's typical Jacko. If someone says anything good about the Sox or bad about the Yankees he has a tantrum. If Smolz had signed with the Yanks and Gammons made that statement, we all be hearing how Smoltz is the 2nd coming of Christ.

 

 

Gom and Dojji, you both have good points. But Gom also remember these guys are coming in on low risk market to below market value contracts, not long term deals. If the fizzle out, there gone next season anyways.

[Dojji]

And not only that, but they're gone and replaced by some of the young talent percolating up through the ranks, such as Brown and Kottaras behind Tek, Jones, Bard and Lentz behind Saito, and Buchholz, Bowden, Johnson and possibly Masterson behind Smoltz and Penny.

[ORS]

The major difference Gom is missing here is what these guys were signed for. The vets we signed were passed over by a lot of other teams, they were signed at a value, and that value is tied to the fact that there is injury concern for each player. In short, they were signed with the hope of catching lightning in a bottle. If the lightning fails to strike, there is no great reliance on their performance for the season to still be a success. It will help, but it's not contingent upon it.

 

I can find no similar signing in recent history for the Yankees.

[ORS]

As far as the thread topic goes, if he's healthy, Smoltz could very well be the best pitcher in the AL come September. Sure, Gammons is a homer, and yeah, this was put out there for sake of being controversial (IMO), but it's not like he picked some scrub with no track record or talent.

 

What's funny is the stones being thrown in a glass house here. I mean, Jacko is getting on someone for a ridiculous prediction. Is this any more ridiculous than when the Yankees would walk away with the division in '07? How about when RJ, Pavano, and Wright were going to win 75 games combined? Take a look in the mirror, or at least review your post history, before you call anyone's prediction "FOS".

[Mr Crunchy]

Oh theres plenty of history with sabbathia, he was used like a 10.00 whore the night before rent was due by the brewers last september and his october track record compares him with arod when it comes to big time performances..whats his playoff era??

is it under 10.00?

John Smoltz and Josh Beckett are the 2 best money pitchers in the game since Jack Morris retired,i have no idea and quite frankly i dont think anyone does on how Smoltz will perform in the al east, of course i have my doubts but im glad hes here....Something tells me he will be a better ""Pitcher"" than the youngsters who he'll be competing with for time when he gets activated in June.Hes not to be confused with glavine or maddox, the soft tossing career nl guys who have no juice on their heat..Smoltz still had some fire left before he packed it in last year.

[rician blast]

Saying the teams have reversed roles would imply that the Sox used to be the ones throwing massive amounts of money at prized free agent pitchers.....which they've never done

 

Right-o. At least someone gets it.

 

The Sox 2009 pitching-related moves are relatively inexpensive, while the Yanks dumped big $ on the biggest names...THAT is the difference.

 

Sox are trying to contain payroll, Yanks are...well...the Yanks are being the Yanks.

[Mr Crunchy]

outside pedro the sox never spent money on the big names.

[Gom]

The major difference Gom is missing here is what these guys were signed for. The vets we signed were passed over by a lot of other teams, they were signed at a value, and that value is tied to the fact that there is injury concern for each player. In short, they were signed with the hope of catching lightning in a bottle. If the lightning fails to strike, there is no great reliance on their performance for the season to still be a success. It will help, but it's not contingent upon it.

 

I can find no similar signing in recent history for the Yankees.

ORS, I'm not missing the point. I didn't make that point. The Yankees are doing what the Sox did a few years back. They went with three players in their prime to long-term deals. The Red Sox are trying to catch lightning in a bottle with older players switching leagues, like Clemens.

 

It is true that the money difference is huge. No question. However, I didn't make that point, because it is obvious to anyone who follows baseball and our teams.

 

That's is. Don't read into it any more than that. I'm as critical of my team's personnel moves as you guys are, and they're my team.

[Gom]

outside pedro the sox never spent money on the big names.

 

Drew, Lugo, Dice-K, Manny. To name a few.