ARod tested positive

[schillingouttheks]

I'm irritable because I'm extremely irritated. Makes sense' date=' right lol. My bad about the initial post, I was laying in bed still half asleep watching (more like listening to) David Cone's 19K game against the Phillies from 1991 on MLB Network. All of a sudden "BREAKING NEWS: ALEX RODRIGUEZ TESTED POSITIVE.........." What a way to wake up, hearing that the best player on your favorite team is a cheater. I needed to let the frustration out.[/quote']

 

Oh, no, I understand. I just thought the profanity was a little much, lol.

 

Like Kilo said, I don't think the steroid test itself is the issue- the fact that Gene Orza tipped off a player who did not appear on that 2003 list and then apparently tipped off A-Rod in 2004? That's where the big problem is.

[26 to 6]

Canseco had been extorting money from players to keep their names out of his book. Would it be a stretch to think that ARod gave Canseco an envelope full of cash?

Absolutely not. he did call him out in the media though prior to the book coming out. I didn't hear anything about him from the book so it's more than plausable that A-Rod paid him off to keep him out of the book, absolutely. I'm just saying that after reading Juiced I didn't bother picking up Vindicated so idk if there is or isn't anything about him in there. Probably not considering we didn't hear much, and probably because of the very reason you mentioned. Good call.

[BoSox21]

A-Rod definitely needs to do damage control and take the Giambi strategy of how to counteract this

[Dojji]

You could have said the same thing about Longo last year. What can I say? He's the most fundamentally sound prospect hitter I've ever seen.

[Dipre]

Well I wouldn't go that far' date=' but Pujols is one of my favorite players and I would be a little bummed. But nothing would surprise me.[/quote']

 

Pujols is the ultimate role model here in Dominican, he is a devout christian and married a woman whose son had Down syndrome, embraced it as his own, and even created an NPO to help children with Down's, add the fact that he's the best player in the game right now, and i'd say, without a doubt in my mind:

 

Pujols is the material legends are made of.

 

I deeply respect and admire the guy, he's my favorite ball player, and i would be devastated if something such as steroids were to destroy his good name.

 

That is all.

[Dipre]

Unless MLB leaked the info' date=' which would be contrary to their financial interests, there is no one to sue. If the Gov't leaked it, there might be a criminal infraction, [b']but they would not be liable for monetary damages under any legal theory that I know.[/b]

 

And you would be right, the government, as an entity, could never be held liable in such an instance.

[a700hitter]

Pujols is the ultimate role model here in Dominican, he is a devout christian and married a woman whose son had Down syndrome, embraced it as his own, and even created an NPO to help children with Down's, add the fact that he's the best player in the game right now, and i'd say, without a doubt in my mind:

 

Pujols is the material legends are made of.

 

I deeply respect and admire the guy, he's my favorite ball player, and i would be devastated if something such as steroids were to destroy his good name.

 

That is all.

The fall from legendary staus makes a very loud thud. No one is perfect. Legends are created by the press. Unfortunately, too many people believe the myths.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I definitely remember Canseco calling out A-Rod. Not sure if it was in the book' date=' but he did.[/quote']

Now that you mention it, so do I.

[Dipre]

The fall from legendary staus makes a very loud thud. No one is perfect. Legends are created by the press. Unfortunately' date=' too many people believe the myths.[/b']

 

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

What i admire about Pujols are his deep christian roots and disposition to help others, aside from his baseball skills, so i fail to see the point of your comment, as i had already stated that i would be extremely dissapointed if i found out he was a cheater, however, his helping others and promoting that life be lived the right way is not hype, on the contraire, it's people who refuse to believe in the true kindness in others that have made this world what it is today.

 

So excuse me for setting a role model for myself and a person who i use as an example when i talk to younger kids and tell them "See, this guy is who you need to be emulating, not the drug-dealing thug that lives a couple blocks from your house", because that would be the real painful thing, losing that example for the young ones who're looking for someone to be like when they grow up.

[a700hitter]

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

What i admire about Pujols are his deep christian roots and disposition to help others, aside from his baseball skills, so i fail to see the point of your comment, as i had already stated that i would be extremely dissapointed if i found out he was a cheater, however, his helping others and promoting that life be lived the right way is not hype, on the contraire, it's people who refuse to believe in the true kindness in others that have made this world what it is today.

 

So excuse me for setting a role model for myself and a person who i use as an example when i talk to younger kids and tell them "See, this guy is who you need to be emulating, not the drug-dealing thug that lives a couple blocks from your house", because that would be the real painful thing, losing that example for the young ones who're looking for someone to be like when they grow up.

My point is that myths are always false. If Pujols used steroids, it should not invalidate or diminish the good things he has done with his life. He's human... a very good and extremely talented human, but a human nonetheless. The same people that help create myths will try to completely tear down that person when the myth explodes. I am not saying that he used. The only thing I know for sure is he is not the perfect person that he is portrayed to be in the press. No one is. As Robin Williams said in a comedy bit, there is some guy who sits in a bar in India and says "I knew Ghandi. He was a prick." No one is perfect. The fact that they are not perfect should not invalidate the good things about their lives.

[Dipre]

My point is that myths are always false. If Pujols used steroids' date=' it should not invalidate or diminish the good things he has done with his life. He's human... a very good and extremely talented human, but a human nonetheless. The same people that help create myths will try to completely tear down that person when the myth explodes. I am not saying that he used. The only thing I know for sure is he is not the perfect person that he is portrayed to be in the press. No one is. As Robin Williams said in a comedy bit, there is some guy who sits in a bar in India and says "I knew Ghandi. He was a prick." No one is perfect. The fact that they are not perfect should not invalidate the good things about their lives.[/quote']

 

If that's the tone in which you meant it, then i apologize and admit you are absolutely right.

[a700hitter]

If that's the tone in which you meant it' date=' then i apologize and admit you are absolutely right.[/quote']The internet is an imperfect medium for conveying tone.

[Dipre]

The internet is an imperfect medium for conveying tone.

 

Agreed.

[example1]

This is good news and not altogether shocking. A-Rod is a big guy who got bigger around that time and has not lost that size. He's just 'beefed up'.

 

People are crazy if they don't think Red Sox were caught up in steroids too. The bodies of Nixon, Nomar and Tek were all inflated at that time. Pedro had arguably the best two pitching seasons in history at the peak of the steroid era... not sure what that means but it is an eerie coincidence. Ortiz went from mediocre hitter like WMP to yearly MVP candidate. I am not convinced that Ortiz used, but it wouldn't shock me.

 

There are a lot of other guys in that era who came and went quickly and who weren't significant contributers--Dante Bichette, Carlos Baerga, etc.,

 

I'm willing to acknowledge that no team, and no player is completely clean and that Sox fans today should not throw stones lest those stones come back with a "Tek Used" tell-all, or a "Pedro tested positive" headline sometime in the future. Hell, the Red Sox were mere moments away from trading Manny and Nomar to get A-Rod and Magglio in 2004, so they aren't completely 'clean' on this stuff.

 

That said, I'm also willing to acknowledge that I'm VERY HAPPY the Yankees are being called out as cheaters. While Clemens, Pettitte and A-Rod didn't use necessarily in the locker room, why would the Yankees get these guys without giving them a test--if they were so concerned about their image? My guess is they think that wins and records outweigh image and I think they were right.

 

Yankee fans should be embarassed and ashamed today. This will be a piece of ammo that can be used against any future accomplishment, and will be a weight around A-Rod's shoulders all year.

[example1]

I'm also disgusted that there are no consequences for this for A-Rod or the Yankees. I understand why there aren't, because it was a 'safe' test in 2003 to tell how many were using.

 

What disgusts me is that on one hand we have a star who was supposed to break the HR record 'clean' who will never miss a game for it, on the other hand we have a picture of Michael Phelps smoking a bong and he is suspended for 3 months. It wasn't performance enhancing, it wasn't sports related, it was simply ripping from a (nice) glass bong. I bet A-Rod has done that before too.

[rician blast]

Everyone kept saying how clean he was' date=' as if they knew[/quote']

 

Not everyone. A few of us are on record with our lists of suspects which featured ARod pretty prominently. I am not surprised at all.

 

Edit: I think Pujols has used PEDs as well.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Not everyone. A few of us are on record with our lists of suspects which featured ARod pretty prominently. I am not surprised at all.

 

Edit: I think Pujols has used PEDs as well.

Media was my main target there. I haven't been here long enough to know what all you thought of him.

[example1]

Not everyone. A few of us are on record with our lists of suspects which featured ARod pretty prominently. I am not surprised at all.

 

Edit: I think Pujols has used PEDs as well.

 

Unfortunately, I'm with you on this.

[rician blast]

Understood, and you are right..the media, in its naivette (sp?), wanted badly to say that ARod would be a clean HR champ, but based their premature annointment on nothing.

[BoSox21]

"All I can say is the Mitchell Report is incomplete," Canseco said. "I could not believe that (Rodriguez's) name was not in the report."

 

New York Daily News - December 14th, 2007

[Teddyballgame10]

Exactly. I wouldn't be shocked if Jeter was on the list. No one is beyond reproach here.

 

I'd be shocked if Jeter was. There are tons of guys who were both on the Sox and Yankees but I think you can tell by just looking at them. A-Rod is a physical freak the guy is huge, I always wondered but just assumed he was blessed physically beyond any one's imagination and had a great set of skills to go along with it. This is different from Giambi who grew out of nowhere and never the set of skills to make him great. He went from an average player to a lean beefed up MVP type player.

 

People who yell at Sox fans and say they are in denial are wrong. Yes I do not think Pedro, Manny and to some extent Ortiz were on the juice because of how they are built. Pedro is a string bean. Manny and Ortiz have nowhere near the muscle that all the guys being named do. I think all of Mannys success comes from his swing not his physical ability. When you look at Manny you would think I'm a better athlete then him. Granted Ortiz has declined so that does raise speculation but I don't think so. Guys like Tek, Millar, Nixon, yea I'd say there is a high probability there were on it at some point. As for Jeter no way. He is in great shape but nowhere near as jacked as the guys on the list.

 

As for Pujoles I hope to God he isn't but I wouldn't be surprised he, like A-Rod, is a freak of nature. I'm going to be an optimist and say no but I can be completely wrong. I think its wrong to accuse guys like Jeter and Manny because of this when steroids don't fit their physical description and game.

[Keeper]

A-Fraud indeed. Really, when you think about it anyone is fair game for PEDs. Look at Paul Byrd.

[rician blast]

I'd be shocked if Jeter was. There are tons of guys who were both on the Sox and Yankees but I think you can tell by just looking at them. A-Rod is a physical freak the guy is huge, I always wondered but just assumed he was blessed physically beyond any one's imagination and had a great set of skills to go along with it. This is different from Giambi who grew out of nowhere and never the set of skills to make him great. He went from an average player to a lean beefed up MVP type player.

 

People who yell at Sox fans and say they are in denial are wrong. Yes I do not think Pedro, Manny and to some extent Ortiz were on the juice because of how they are built. Pedro is a string bean. Manny and Ortiz have nowhere near the muscle that all the guys being named do. I think all of Mannys success comes from his swing not his physical ability. When you look at Manny you would think I'm a better athlete then him. Granted Ortiz has declined so that does raise speculation but I don't think so. Guys like Tek, Millar, Nixon, yea I'd say there is a high probability there were on it at some point. As for Jeter no way. He is in great shape but nowhere near as jacked as the guys on the list.

 

As for Pujoles I hope to God he isn't but I wouldn't be surprised he, like A-Rod, is a freak of nature. I'm going to be an optimist and say no but I can be completely wrong. I think its wrong to accuse guys like Jeter and Manny because of this when steroids don't fit their physical description and game.

 

 

I think Ortiz did, I think Manny probably did. Pedro? SO what he's skinny, there are drugs that have a greater impact on strength than size, and he DID gain about 15 lbs one offseason as I recall. Nixon, Kapler, Varitek, Nomar I very strongly suspect.

 

As for Jeter? I think he used, I saw subtle, but noticeable, differences in his body, his face and his strength. Doesn't mean he did a lot, but I suspect him.

[BoSox21]

in a way, it's sad that if a baseball player trained hard one off-season and added 10-15 pounds of muscle, there will be a group who will suspect them of wrongdoing

[JimEdHOF2009]

Oh man this is f***ing beautiful! If anything can derail the Yankee PAPER juggernaut, this surely can! I cannot wait to here the A-ROID and CHEATER chants at the Fens! Good times...f*** that..GREAT times! This will be a distraction for the Yankees for the entire year! I am not saying they will lose because of it....but it will be a distraction all year.

 

Couldn't happen to a bigger bitch than A-rod. Another reason that, for all his talent, he will never be respected like Jeter is.

[BoSox21]

I've been wondering, it was survey testing done in 2003 to determine if a drug policy was necessary and both MLB and the PA agreed to it but what were the penalties for guys who refused to give a urine sample?

[See Red]

in a way' date=' it's sad that if a baseball player trained hard one off-season and added 10-15 pounds of muscle, there will be a group who will suspect them of wrongdoing[/quote']

 

Very true. And with the resources these guys have available to them, it really wouldn't be that difficult to put on 10-15 pounds in an off-season, certainly not something someone would have to cheat to do. I don't know, I don't see putting on some muscle over an off-season as much reason to accuse somebody of cheating.

[THE ARS]

Steroids build muscle and lean out any fat. Most users have very little fat content. Ortiz has a chubby belly' date=' and if anyone is wondering about Manny, get a copy of the 2004 World Series DVD and you will see the rolls of fat around his midsection.[/quote']

 

This is not true.

 

If you look at an Olympic weight lifter or shot putter(?) you will see they are anything but lean. Big guys, and girls, just get bigger.

 

Now you have to think there would have been a significant increase in positive tests if the players didn't have a man on the inside.

 

It's a shame because only the truly stupid will be caught from here on out.

 

 

Tom

 

Btw, did you catch the "Buy HGH" ad at the top of the page?

[a700hitter]

This is not true.

 

If you look at an Olympic weight lifter or shot putter(?) you will see they are anything but lean. Big guys, and girls, just get bigger.

 

Now you have to think there would have been a significant increase in positive tests if the players didn't have a man on the inside.

 

It's a shame because only the truly stupid will be caught from here on out.

 

 

Tom

 

Btw, did you catch the "Buy HGH" ad at the top of the page?

They had different body types to start. If they hadn't roided, they would have had even a higher percentage of body fat.

[a-roid]

a-rod is the worst