The Yankee Years

[Keeper]

I agree that despite Torre's hefty salary, the Yankee FO never gave him the respect he deserved. Publicly and privately. IMO, this is NOT a classless move by Torre.

 

It's simply a man with pride airing his grievances against a franchise with a lot more skeletons in the closet than its fans would like to believe.

[Optimist]

I would love to see how some of you would be reacting if this was a former Red Sox manager. How many of you would get whiplash doing that 180?

[Keeper]

Except there is no former Red Sox manager who won 4 rings in recent memory... not to mention making it to the WS 6 years out of 12...

[BoSox21]

I would love to see how some of you would be reacting if this was a former Red Sox manager. How many of you would get whiplash doing that 180?

 

The only recent similar situation was Theo Epstein leaving briefly after 2005 and a lot of people took Theo's side

[Mr Crunchy]

Ya,when Don Zimmer got fired I got whiplash.

Its not really Joe Torre who the majority cares about in the case, i think the public is more interested in Arods woman like obsession with the guy who is always on the back cover of the Avon catalogue my 11 year old daughter gets...Arod is a shining example for Mark Texeira and his decision to come to ny,hes also amongst the reasons that CC wanted to stay out west,50 hr years and an mvp award while being cannon fodder for page 6 and the back page on a daily basis isnt the kind of attention most ball players want in their lives..

[BSN07]

I wouldn't do a 180.

 

If Tito leaves and after a couple years comes out with a book about everyday life with Manny, Damon, Millar ect., then so be it. I'll find it as an interesting perspective.

 

Just as long as he isn't airing it out while still at the helm of the team, then I don't mind.

 

I think we all need to reserve judgment until the book comes out and we can see what context everything is in.

 

I think the media has focused too much on a couple negative comments out of the book, I mean it is 500 pages, and all we hear about it, A-Fraud, and Joe's final days in NY. There is alot more to the book then just that.

[Optimist]

http://nomaas.org/images/torrepreyankees.jpg

 

Highlights of the book include:

 

- His 894-1003 record before he went to the Yankees

- Blaming everyone else for winning only one division title in 15 seasons

- Feeling betrayed by GM Frank Cashen after leading the Mets to a 286-420 record

 

And last but not least, his inability to handle a pitching staff and his poor work ethic:

 

There were whispers about his problems handling pitchers, teaching fundamentals, arriving at the ballpark too late and leaving too early. (Source: The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Feb 2 1985, Page B2)

 

 

[a700hitter]

I agree that despite Torre's hefty salary, the Yankee FO never gave him the respect he deserved. Publicly and privately. IMO, this is NOT a classless move by Torre.

 

It's simply a man with pride airing his grievances against a franchise with a lot more skeletons in the closet than its fans would like to believe.

Airing grievances against the FO is not classless. He owes them nothing. I think it is foolish, because he has now put the last nail in his coffin with regard to Yankee brass, and he has, by his childish actions going back to his quitting, cut himself off from a substantial source of income. What is classless is talking out of school about players and coaches for things other than their on-field performance. That is classless, pure and simple. He was so big on doing things behind closed doors with the players and he took them into his confidence. This is a betrayal of who he pretended to be. I could understand if Piniella did this, because he has always publicly criticized his players. He never pretended to take them into his confidence. Torre has exposed himself as an enormous phony.

[BSN07]

Airing grievances against the FO is not classless. He owes them nothing. I think it is foolish' date=' because he has now put the last nail in his coffin with regard to Yankee brass, and he has, by his childish actions going back to his quitting, cut himself off from a substantial source of income. What is classless is talking out of school about players and coaches for things other than their on-field performance. That is classless, pure and simple. He was so big on doing things behind closed doors with the players and he took them into his confidence. This is a betrayal of who he pretended to be. I could understand if Piniella did this, because he has always publicly criticized his players. He never pretended to take them into his confidence. Torre has exposed himself as an enormous phony.[/quote']

 

All he is really saying is his boss and fellow employees at his last job had some issues and where a pain in the ass at times. Has not any of you ever done the same thing?

[a700hitter]

All he is really saying is his boss and fellow employees at his last job had some issues and where a pain in the ass at times. Has not any of you ever done the same thing?

Yes, I have said those things in private about my bosses, but I would probably not publish a book about it. Also, he calling his players frauds and prima donas. That's where he hurts his reputation. He is saying things about guys who he took into his confidence purely to sensationalize his book. That is classless tabloid journalism.

[BSN07]

Yes' date=' I have said those things in private about my bosses, but I would probably not publish a book about it. Also, he calling his players frauds and prima donas. That's where he hurts his reputation. He is saying things about guys who he took into his confidence purely to sensationalize his book. That is classless tabloid journalism.[/quote']

 

But no one has ever offered to pay you $ to write a book either. If they did, I'm sure you give it a whirl:D

[a700hitter]

But no one has ever offered to pay you $ to write a book either. If they did' date=' I'm sure you give it a whirl:D[/quote']No one has paid me to write a book, and Torre will not be making a lot on this book either. I could write stuff on the internet about my bosses. There are corporate forums etc. where people go to bitch. There are editorial columns where submissions are free etc. I have never engaged in any of that. My point is that people should think seriously about putting their private thoughts into print, especially about people who trust them.

[BSN07]

No one has paid me to write a book' date=' and Torre will not be making a lot on this book either. I could write stuff on the internet about my bosses. There are corporate forums etc. where people go to bitch. There are editorial columns where submissions are free etc. I have never engaged in any of that. [b'] My point is that people should think seriously about putting their private thoughts into print, especially about people who trust them[/b].

 

Or better yet the players involved can take a nice long look at themselves, realize how childish they are, and be better because of it. Thus Torre teaching his final lesson of humility:D

 

 

 

Besides, he's not really saying anything new. I would bet most atleast considered Arod having Jeter issues, and Torre and FO having problems upon depature. All this does is confirm it.

[italstallianion]

Isn't ripping your (former) boss through a public medium and not getting in trouble for it the American Dream???

[a700hitter]

Or better yet the players involved can take a nice long look at themselves' date=' realize how childish they are, and be better because of it. Thus Torre teaching his final lesson of humility:D[/quote']Humility can be taught in private. This is a lesson in humiliation, not humility. Very different.

 

Besides' date=' he's not really saying anything new. I would bet most atleast considered Arod having Jeter issues, and Torre and FO having problems upon depature. All this does is confirm it.[/quote']It's classless, tabloid journalism with regard to the players, but that is a reflection of the jerry Springer Society that we have become.

[jacksonianmarch]

I lost a ton of respect for Torre on the field once it became obvious that anything but cruise control was too much for him to handle. I lost a lot of respect for him as a person for this book. I agree with most sentiments above. I'll probably read it. But he's selling out the privacy and sanctity of the lockerroom which will completely destroy any credibility he had or ever will gain with his players. Its too bad too. He'll probably be booed or shunned by his former players when his number gets retired and when he goes into the HOF with a yankee cap on.

[26 to 6]

I think you guys are being ridiculous. He's not the first to write a book about hsi time with a ballclub and provide an inside perspective about what goes on behind closed doors. I've read several of them. Like bsn07 said, the book is 500+ pages long, you really think the entire thing is about the PLAYERS calling A-Rod "A-Fraud and his distain towards the Steinbrenners? The publisher leaked these particular aspects of the book to the media so it would cause all this commotion and sell books. You don't think Torre is forever appreciative to George for the chance he got to manage the club, and the subsequent success he achieved? He's going to the Hall of Fame because of his time as Yankee manager. I'm sure there's as much, probably more positive things about his players in the book than there are negative. It can't all be positive because nobody wants to read a book where he's just kissing everyone's ass. He and Verducci kept it real, Verducci did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people and they came up with what looks to be a pretty good book. Lets read the f***ing book before we call it classless and disrespectful.

 

Based on your responses, the publishers accomplished what they set out to do, cause a stir, and in turn sell more books. Good job guys!

[a700hitter]

I think you guys are being ridiculous. He's not the first to write a book about hsi time with a ballclub and provide an inside perspective about what goes on behind closed doors. I've read several of them. Like bsn07 said, the book is 500+ pages long, you really think the entire thing is about the PLAYERS calling A-Rod "A-Fraud and his distain towards the Steinbrenners? The publisher leaked these particular aspects of the book to the media so it would cause all this commotion and sell books. You don't think Torre is forever appreciative to George for the chance he got to manage the club, and the subsequent success he achieved? He's going to the Hall of Fame because of his time as Yankee manager. I'm sure there's as much, probably more positive things about his players in the book than there are negative. It can't all be positive because nobody wants to read a book where he's just kissing everyone's ass. He and Verducci kept it real, Verducci did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people and they came up with what looks to be a pretty good book. Lets read the f***ing book before we call it classless and disrespectful.

 

Based on your responses, the publishers accomplished what they set out to do, cause a stir, and in turn sell more books. Good job guys!

Some people think there is nothing wrong with kiss and tell books and they sell plenty of books. Selling plenty of books is not a justification for classless behavior.

[26 to 6]

I don't think you got my point.

[a700hitter]

I'm sure there's as much' date=' probably more positive things about his players in the book than there are negative. It can't all be positive because nobody wants to read a book where he's just kissing everyone's ass. He and Verducci kept it real, Verducci did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people and they came up with what looks to be a pretty good book.[/quote']Keeping it real by calling ARod AFraud or by saying that he had developed a single-white female obsession with Jeter? This a beyond the pale of good taste. If he wanted to be critical, he could have said that Arod is a lousy card player or that he can't sing or something. The stuff he said is scurrilous and undignified. It's obvious that you have Torre on a pedestal, but he doesn't deserve to be held with such reverence. He has revealed himself as a vindictive backstabber.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I think you guys are being ridiculous.

 

 

This, pretty much. Torre didn't do anything classless.

 

Besides, the A-Rod, A-Fraud and him being jealous of jeter s*** was already known beforehand. Torre can say all he wants. Also, it's not like Torre went there and managed and had a sub 500 record and never made the playoffs. He went there and did good things. I don't remember that far back, but I believe that team wasn't doing too well before he got there. And for him to come in, do what he did and then towards the end of his time get treated the way he did he ought to write a damn book about it.

[CrespoBlows]

Would those who are saying that Torre did nothing classless say that the locker room is a private place?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

No.

[CrespoBlows]

No.

 

Do you think that sentiment is shared by the baseball industry?

 

Wasn't the idea of a private clubhouses preached endlessly by Torre during his tenure with the Yankees?

[a700hitter]

Do you think that sentiment is shared by the baseball industry?

 

Wasn't the idea of a private clubhouses preached endlessly by Torre during his tenure with the Yankees?

I recollect that he was big on handling matters behind closed doors in a private manner, which is why this is a betrayal to his players. He betrayed his own philosophy regarding the clubhouse.

[BSN07]

Would those who are saying that Torre did nothing classless say that the locker room is a private place?

 

Yes I consider it private. But Torre never air laundry while he was the manager. Like I said before, don't do it while your there, when it can become a disraction, or create a media frenzy. (Which if he had said any of this, the NY media would have gone ape s***) But now that he is with another organization and time has passed, I personaly don't see it being wrong.

 

 

I still say to wait and see what context this is all in.

 

 

And a700, do you honestly think Ol Joe came up with the SWF referrence? I think you will find out that that was Verducci's interpretation of what Torre said.

 

 

This was all leaked on purpose to market the book. I mean it's all over ESPN, free advertising is always nice:D

[a700hitter]

And a700' date=' do you honestly think Ol Joe came up with the SWF referrence? I think you will find out that that was Verducci's interpretation of what Torre said.[/quote']It doesn't matter if he thought of it. He approved the reference. It's his story.

[a700hitter]

Yes I consider it private. But Torre never air laundry while he was the manager. Like I said before' date=' don't do it while your there, when it can become a disraction, or create a media frenzy. (Which if he had said any of this, the NY media would have gone ape s***) But now that he is with another organization and time has passed, I personaly don't see it being wrong.[/quote']

So, personal trust and an expectation of privacy have expiration dates? Do you think the players were informed by Joe that he might make those matters public after he was fired from the Yankees?

[rician blast]

Awwww, do ya think Joey Towwe hurted Awex's feewings....say you sowwy, Joe, dat was not nice faw you to say.

[a700hitter]

Awwww' date=' do ya think Joey Towwe hurted Awex's feewings....say you sowwy, Joe, dat was not nice faw you to say.[/quote']It doesn't matter if he hurt his feelings, it is just bad form. In Brooklyn, where Torre grew up, he would have been mocked as a Yenta.