The Yankee Years

[Optimist]

Apparently Joe Torre is writing a "tell all" book about his years with the Yankees. Its title, as you may have guessed, is The Yankee Years.

 

Scorned skipper Joe Torre is blasting the Yankees - calling many of his former players prima donnas, confessing he stopped trusting the powers that be years before he left the team and charging that general manager Brian Cashman betrayed him.

 

In an explosive new book called "The Yankee Years," Torre gets most personal in his attacks against Alex Rodriguez, who he says was called "A-Fraud" by his teammates after he developed a "Single White Female"-like obsession with team captain Derek Jeter and asked for a personal clubhouse assistant to run errands for him.

 

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Classy.

[Cocos Disciples]

"...he developed a "Single White Female"-like obsession with team captain Derek Jeter..."

 

Ahahahahahaha.

[Dipre]

"...he developed a "Single White Female"-like obsession with team captain Derek Jeter..."

 

That awesome phrase about sums up my thoughts about "A-Fraud" as a whole.

[a700hitter]

Torre got very rich sitting on the Yankee bench and managing by formula where his teams only had to play 7 inning games. I guess that was not enough for him. He had to whore himself out for a few extra bucks by writing a tell all book. So much for the myth of classiness that had been perpetuated by the NY Press about Torre.

[26 to 6]

I don't think of this as a classless move by Torre, but rather him exploiting all of the things he kept his mouth shut about for so many years. He endured so much BS off the field during his time as Yankee manager, and after things ended the way they did this is his response to the disrespect he feels he was shown. I'm not going to argue one way or the other about it, all I'm going to say is that this should be an interesting read and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

[a700hitter]

I don't think of this as a classless move by Torre' date=' but rather him exploiting all of the things he kept his mouth shut about for so many years. He endured so much BS off the field during his time as Yankee manager, and after things ended the way they did this is his response to the disrespect he feels he was shown. I'm not going to argue one way or the other about it, all I'm going to say is that this should be an interesting read and I can't wait to get my hands on it.[/quote']Whatever he says about the FO is fair game. There is no code between a manager and the FO, but there is an unwritten clubhouse code. Those guys live together year in and year out. To the extent he discloses information about the players or slams them for anything other than their play on the field, IMO, it's a classless move. I never believed the myth anyway. IMO, there are few honorable people in this world and even fewer of them are politicians or professional athletes.

[Dipre]

Whatever he says about the FO is fair game. There is no code between a manager and the FO' date=' but there is an unwritten clubhouse code. Those guys live together year in and year out. To the extent he discloses information about the players or slams them for anything other than their play on the field, IMO, it's a classless move. I never believed the myth anyway. IMO, there are few honorable people in this world and even fewer of them are politicians or professional athletes.[/quote']

 

Would you not have tried to get back at the Yankees organization if they disrespected you the way they did Joe Torre?

 

IMO, we should be thankful we'll be able to get our hands on some dirt on the Steinbrenners, A-Fraud, and a couple other douches..........

[a700hitter]

Would you not have tried to get back at the Yankees organization if they disrespected you the way they did Joe Torre?

 

IMO, we should be thankful we'll be able to get our hands on some dirt on the Steinbrenners, A-Fraud, and a couple other douches..........

I'm happy that he wrote the book, because I love to see dysfunction with the Yankees. The Steinbrenners and the weasel Cashman are fair game, but with regard to the players, even ARod, it is a classless move.

[italstallianion]

I'm definitely going to get a copy...it might be some of the only reading that I actually do...

[CrespoBlows]

I'm happy that he wrote the book' date=' because I love to see dysfunction with the Yankees. The Steinbrenners and the weasel Cashman are fair game, but with regard to the players, even ARod, it is a classless move.[/quote']

 

Exactly.

 

I wonder how this will make people feel in the Dodger clubhouse, if this is the type of action he takes when he feels "betrayed." I don't know what happened in the Yankee clubhouse, but Torre is an employee, and his employers owe him nothing. The terms of his contract were quite explicit. Torre will be made the highest paid manager, and in exchange he has to produce World Series titles. He failed to produce. As a result, they offered him to be the highest paid manager in the game, but not as significant as his last contract. Where's the betrayal? What did the Yankees do to warrant such a backlash?

 

As a 700hitter said, I am glad he wrote this book, but it is sad that he is bursting his own legendary myth all on his own.

[ARod2212]

I'm definitely going to get a copy...it might be some of the only reading that I actually do...

That makes sense.

[Optimist]

I still don't understand how anyone can think Joe Torre was disrespected. He was offered a contract that would (continue) to make him the highest paid manager in baseball. This after being handed some of the best players in the game and still finding a way to fail for 6 years, including the largest and most pathetic collapse in the history of baseball. He was an employee of the Yankees who failed miserably at his job, for some reason still received a great offer from them, threw a hissy and ran to the West Coast.

 

Disrespect is betraying your players and a club which gave you so many opportunities.

[26 to 6]

The disrespect wasn't with the offer, but in the manner in which they presented it, and the way he was treated for years. There was tension boiling over for years between he and the front office.

[Dipre]

I still don't understand how anyone can think Joe Torre was disrespected. He was offered a contract that would (continue) to make him the highest paid manager in baseball. This after being handed some of the best players in the game and still finding a way to fail for 6 years, including the largest and most pathetic collapse in the history of baseball. He was an employee of the Yankees who failed miserably at his job, for some reason still received a great offer from them, threw a hissy and ran to the West Coast.

 

Disrespect is betraying your players and a club which gave you so many opportunities.

 

Year in-year out threats about his job security and constant scrutiny over his managing and personnel decisions by FO don't see like disrespect to you?

[riverside sluggers]

Def getting this book

[BSN07]

As far as the single white female referrence, albeit a great one,Torre didn't write the book all by himself, Torre co-authored the book with Sports Illustrated's Tom Verducci. It might not even be Torre's words, but Verducci's interpretation of them.

 

Torre took a lot of crap while at the helm, but for the most part always backed his players and never was a thorn in FO side. He could have said all this stuff while in NY, but can you imagine what chaos that would have bestowed upon the Yankee organization?

 

 

The fact that time has gone by, and he has moved onto a different organization, lessen the "shock" factor. Although some of the stuff is very interesting, it will do little to effect his legacy in NY, and I don't see it as being a distraction for either.

[a700hitter]

Year in-year out threats about his job security and constant scrutiny over his managing and personnel decisions by FO don't see like disrespect to you?

Not when you are getting paid more than every other manager. It goes with the territory. Big pay = Big expectations.

[a700hitter]

As far as the single white female referrence, albeit a great one,Torre didn't write the book all by himself, Torre co-authored the book with Sports Illustrated's Tom Verducci. It might not even be Torre's words, but Verducci's interpretation of them.

 

Torre took a lot of crap while at the helm, but for the most part always backed his players and never was a thorn in FO side. He could have said all this stuff while in NY, but can you imagine what chaos that would have bestowed upon the Yankee organization?

 

 

The fact that time has gone by, and he has moved onto a different organization, lessen the "shock" factor. Although some of the stuff is very interesting, it will do little to effect his legacy in NY, and I don't see it as being a distraction for either.

By co-authoring the book, he has given his approval to everything in the book.

[das11209]

Verducci is saying now that all these are actually a third party perspective. This is also a contradiction of his statement ' Torre has read and re-read and re-read the entire book' - so Torre knows very well what is in the book and he approves. Looks like Torre is now trying to defend himself by calling Cashman and telling Verducci to cover for him.

 

I have no probs in him throwing A-fraud under the bus - but he should man-up and defend that and not hide. Even a low-life like Conseco defended his statements and eventually it turned out that he was right. Torre wanted to get back at Cashman, Hank, George and that's why he said what he said - not for few extra hundred thousand bucks - and he should stand by to his words.

 

I was also disappointed in Mike and Mike today as the guys gave Joe Torre the clean chit and blaming it all on Verducci.

[TheKilo]

Verducci also claimed the references for "A-Fraud" and "SWF" were clubhouse chatter....which is plausible because there's no way Torre is going to get the SWF reference.

 

I have no doubts Torre will stand by the book - that doesn't mean he was the one who specifically threw ARod under the bus - he was just present when it happened.

[a700hitter]

The fact that time has gone by' date=' and he has moved onto a different organization, lessen the "shock" factor. Although some of the stuff is very interesting, it will do little to effect his legacy in NY, and I don't see it as being a distraction for either.[/quote']According to some NY journalists, it will affect his legacy.

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01262009/sports/yankees/youve_managed_to_ruin_a_legacy_152041.htm

[BSN07]

According to some NY journalists, it will affect his legacy.

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01262009/sports/yankees/youve_managed_to_ruin_a_legacy_152041.htm

 

Knee jerk reactions...

 

 

This will be a non issue by March.

 

 

When thinking of Torre will all of you remember what he did in NY, or his book?

[Dojji]

Do the Dodgers play the Yankees in interleague play?

[a700hitter]

Knee jerk reactions...

 

 

This will be a non issue by March.

By then the Steinbrenners will have decided to exile him from Yankee stadium. Yogi's exile lasted more than 10 years, and Yogi didn't write a book. Yogi's exile was self-imposed, but Steinbrenner didn't try to woo him back for more than 10 years. This is far worse than what Yogi did. The Steinbrenners will view this as a direct slap in the face. He will be persona non grata at Yankee Stadium and the Steinbrenners will never forgive him. Yogi was a great Yankee player with 10 rings. Torre was merely a manager who never played for the Yanks. He's done in the eyes of the Yankee brass. No plaques, no honors, no Joe Torre celebrations, ever.

[Dipre]

Knee-jerk.

 

No one has even read the entire book yet.

 

All these starved for a headline journalists are doing is taking some negative excerpts from the book and using them to attack Torre while looking like little NYY fangirls in the process.

[BSN07]

By then the Steinbrenners will have decided to exile him from Yankee stadium. Yogi's exile lasted more than 10 years' date=' and Yogi didn't write a book. Yogi's exile was self-imposed, but Steinbrenner didn't try to woo him back for more than 10 years. This is far worse than what Yogi did. The Steinbrenners will view this as a direct slap in the face. He will be persona non grata at Yankee Stadium and the Steinbrenners will never forgive him. Yogi was a great Yankee player with 10 rings. Torre was merely a manager who never played for the Yanks. He's done in the eyes of the Yankee brass. No plaques, no honors, no Joe Torre celebrations, ever.[/quote']

 

I think Joe will manage to sleep at night.

[a700hitter]

I think Joe will manage to sleep at night.

Unless he is going into senile dementia, which I have suspected since his hissy fit when he walked out on the Yankees to take a lower paid job in LA, he should regret the fact that he has blown the opportunity to make a pretty penny from the Yankees for personal appearances after his managing days are done. Showing up at a game for dinner and glad-handing some luxury box fans is nice work. Even a social recluse like Yaz doesn't pass on that kind of easy money.

[Optimist]

Year in-year out threats about his job security and constant scrutiny over his managing and personnel decisions by FO don't see like disrespect to you?

 

That's not disrespectful. That's called accountability. If someone is getting paid a lot of money to accomplish something and they don't, year in and year out, scrutiny and questions about job security are the very least they should expect to receive.

[BoSox21]

So that was it. The 12-year Torre era had come to a nonnegotiable end. Torre's run ended with a meeting that took little more than 10 minutes. As Torre got up from his seat in Steinbrenner's office, Hal Steinbrenner said to him, "The door's always open. You can always work for the YES Network."

 

I think that quote pretty much sums up how Yankee fans and baseball fans should view this situation

 

Torre was merely a manager who never played for the Yanks. He's done in the eyes of the Yankee brass. No plaques' date=' no honors, no Joe Torre celebrations, ever.[/quote']

 

That started with the glaring all-star game and final Yankee Stadium game omissions

[Dipre]

That's not disrespectful. That's called accountability. If someone is getting paid a lot of money to accomplish something and they don't' date=' year in and year out, scrutiny and questions about job security are the very least they should expect to receive.[/quote']

 

In a public manner?

 

Seriously?

 

I think you're taking the "defend Yankee pride" thing a little too far.

 

The Yankee FO treated Torre like dirt during most of his time as manager, so his coming clean about them being total douches comes as no surprise to me.