Sox, Papelbon agree to 1 year deal.

[diony]

^ Same crap on every freaking post. Dude get over it.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You can't use "waste of money" as an excuse for the Yankees not seeking a player.

 

lolwut

 

 

 

It would be moronic for the Sox to match a 4/60 offer from the Yankees. I know the Yankees have unlimited pockets, and I know people here don't understand/give a s*** about financial flexibility, but that is a fact: matching that offer would be one retarded move.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

^ Same crap on every freaking post. Dude get over it.

Don't talk s*** if you don't s***.

[BoSox21]

The Sox have to plan their player personnel moves so as to avoid a direct negotiation against the Yankees. It seems pretty clear that Papelbon will hit the market as an FA soon and it seems pretty clear that the Yankees will be in the market for a closer soon so I'm sure the Sox are planning on life after Papelbon right now

[diony]

Don't talk s*** if you don't s***.

 

Yeah sorry. You seem to know a lot about that. s*** expert

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah sorry. You seem to know a lot about that. s*** expert

Its amazing how in every post you make, you prove that you're a retarded middle schooler.

[Dipre]

Its amazing how in every post you make' date=' you prove that you're a retarded [b']3rd grade student.[/b]

 

Fixed that for ya .

[BSN07]

Like I said before' date=' not trying to be a downer but I still say there is a very good chance at Papelbon pitching in NY. If Mo retires, Joba stays in the rotation, they will be looking for a CP. I don't see the Yankees balking at paying him 15M+ a year either. [b']Something I don't see the Sox doing[/b].

 

lolwut

 

 

 

It would be moronic for the Sox to match a 4/60 offer from the Yankees. I know the Yankees have unlimited pockets, and I know people here don't understand/give a s*** about financial flexibility, but that is a fact: matching that offer would be one retarded move.

 

:wtf: Thank you for using my argument against me...<_>

This is for you JE:D

[jacksonianmarch]

Like I said before' date=' not trying to be a downer but I still say there is a very good chance at Papelbon pitching in NY. If Mo retires, Joba stays in the rotation, they will be looking for a CP. I don't see the Yankees balking at paying him 15M+ a year either. Something I don't see the Sox doing.[/quote']

 

I honestly think our next closer is on our system in the person of Mark Melancon. He's filthy and he's healthy. And he will likely be a stalwart in our pen at some point this season. We have two yrs to groom a Mariano replacement. I think Melancon is that guy

[BoSox21]

I honestly think our next closer is on our system in the person of Mark Melancon. He's filthy and he's healthy. And he will likely be a stalwart in our pen at some point this season. We have two yrs to groom a Mariano replacement. I think Melancon is that guy

 

And as usual, when the Yankees inevitably fail at filling a hole using their farm system, they'll throw a shitload of money at Papelbon

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldnt put it past them. But I dont think paps makes it to FA unscathed. He is a high velocity, high effort kind of guy. I dont expect him to be healthy like Mo has been yr in and yr out

[BSN07]

I wouldnt put it past them. But I dont think paps makes it to FA unscathed. He is a high velocity' date=' high effort kind of guy. I dont expect him to be healthy like Mo has been yr in and yr out[/quote']

 

Yes, and the Yankees never throw money at injury risks:rolleyes:

[Dojji]

And Mo throws 85 of course.

[jacksonianmarch]

Mo has much more of a smooth delivery and he has an uncanny track record of durability. Paps, OTOH, is a high effort delivery pitcher who subluxed his shoulder throwing a pitch. Think about that.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes' date=' and the Yankees never throw money at injury risks:rolleyes:[/quote']

 

we know the sox dont. That being said, I dont think we'll need to make that kind of acquisition if the farm continues to churn out good relievers. If Melancon can continue his dominance, then the top spot would remain filled. Its all about filling out the rest

[Cocos Disciples]

I honestly think our next closer is on our system in the person of Mark Melancon. He's filthy and he's healthy. And he will likely be a stalwart in our pen at some point this season. We have two yrs to groom a Mariano replacement. I think Melancon is that guy

 

Here's what Kevin Goldstein of BP says:

 

Year in Review: After missing nearly all of 2007 recovering from Tommy John surgery, the relief prospect made an impressive return, improved as the season wore on, and put himself on the cusp of the big leagues.

The Good: Melancon has a plus fastball that sits at 92-94 mph with excellent movement, while his somewhat awkward delivery creates deception. His hard curveball grades out as a 60-65 pitch on the 20-80 scouting scale and can make batters look foolish when it's working. He has a closer's mentality, and shows no fear on the mound.

The Bad: Melancon is a reliever only, though his stuff falls short of being closer-worthy. The Tommy John surgery in his past is still cause for concern, as there is still considerable effort in his violent delivery.

Fun Fact: Melancon retired all 17 batters he faced in the seventh inning for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Perfect World Projection: He should be a good set-up man.

Glass Half Empty: He could end up as a middle reliever hampered by arm troubles.

Path to the Big Leagues: The back of the Yankees' bullpen isn't exactly awe-inspiring.

Timetable: Like Coke, Melancon will get a long look this spring, but he could begin the year back in Triple-A to make sure he'll get in consistent innings until he's needed.

 

I'd expect to see him get a cup of coffee this year.

[BoSox21]

Paps' date=' OTOH, is a high effort delivery pitcher who subluxed his shoulder throwing a pitch. Think about that.[/quote']

 

Three seasons ago, I'd say his shoulder has held up considerably since then, no?

[Dipre]

we know the sox dont. That being said' date=' I dont think we'll need to make that kind of acquisition[b'] if the farm continues to churn out good relievers. [/b]If Melancon can continue his dominance, then the top spot would remain filled. Its all about filling out the rest

 

The good relievers are just CHURNING out.

 

Quote of the year right here, everyone.......

 

Biased much, Jacko?

[TheKilo]

Rivera came up as a starter, Joba can't stay healthy, who am I missing?

[Gom]

If Jacko was on Noah's Ark, he would have called the flooding "a minor drizzle".

 

Jacko..have you ever SEEN him pitch? I haven't. I doubt you have either. Have you not realized that the Yankees PR machine hypes every potential prospect to inflate their value if they want to trade him later on. I'll reserve judgement on a player until I see him play. You don't...you believe what you read. This is why I'm right much, much often than you are. Stop believing everything you read.

 

Kid had TJ surgery. He has pitched under 50 IPs in AAA in his career. Appointing him as closer is premature...to say the least. As far as I'm concerned, he's a non-factor until he proves otherwise.

[diony]

Here's what Kevin Goldstein of BP says:

 

That's the same Kevin Goldstein that ranked Pedro Alvarez as the #4 prospect in baseball. Ahead of guys like Travis Snider, Rick Porcello and others. Pass.

[Cocos Disciples]

Well nevermind then! Melancon=Rivera.

[diony]

^ I never said that. Just look, he ranked Coke and Aceves ahead of Melancon, that's stupid.

 

Best case outcome: Closer (Not as good as Rivera, never)

More likely outcome: Set-up man

Worst case: Middle reliever.

[BSN07]

we know the sox dont. That being said' date=' I dont think we'll need to make that kind of acquisition if the [b']farm continues to churn out good relievers.[/b] If Melancon can continue his dominance, then the top spot would remain filled. Its all about filling out the rest

 

 

:lol:

 

Continue? How about starting to churn out good RP. The best RP the team has brought along, is now in the starting rotation. I mean he will most likely end up in the Pen if he can't stay healthy, but he's a SP now. Besides him who the hell else have they brought in that's had consistent success?

 

I'm gonna have to agree with Gom on this one. If the Yankees PR machine was a porn star, you'd be the fluffer getting them ready before the big scene.

[Dojji]

^ I never said that. Just look, he ranked Coke and Aceves ahead of Melancon, that's stupid.

 

Best case outcome: Closer (Not as good as Rivera, never)

More likely outcome: Set-up man

Worst case: Middle reliever.

 

If Mark Melancon has a closer ceiling then so does, Richie Lentz

 

And you know as well as I do that no player EVER has a MLB roster spot worthy floor.

[jacksonianmarch]

:lol:

 

Continue? How about starting to churn out good RP. The best RP the team has brought along, is now in the starting rotation. I mean he will most likely end up in the Pen if he can't stay healthy, but he's a SP now. Besides him who the hell else have they brought in that's had consistent success?

 

I'm gonna have to agree with Gom on this one. If the Yankees PR machine was a porn star, you'd be the fluffer getting them ready before the big scene.

 

Brian Bruney was picked up off the scrap heap in 2006 and after being hot and cold for 2 yrs between AAA and MLB, he broke out with a dominant 2008

Edwar Ramirez came up in 2007 and was awful. He followed that up with a solid 2008 with a low WHIP and a very high K/9IP in 55IP

Jose Veras was picked up as a MiLB FA in 2006 and after being on the AAA/MLB shuttle for 06 and 07, he puts up a respectable 2008 with a very high K rate.

 

Those are 3 pitchers acquired or grown over the last 3 yrs who have gone from being depth to being dependable arms in the pen for at least one season. Thats a start, and considering whats coming down the line and the flashes we saw last yr, it is safe to say that the depth in our system at the pitching position is starting to be realized.

 

Dave Robertson and his 10+K/9IP as a rookie in the pen. High BB rate did him in, though

Phil Coke and his lights out late season performance

Jonathan Albaladejo's strong start before getting injured

 

I guess instead of saying churning out solid relievers I should have said, molded 3 relievers who had solid 2008 seasons and have plenty more coming down the line

[jacksonianmarch]

If Mark Melancon has a closer ceiling then so does, Richie Lentz

 

And you know as well as I do that no player EVER has a MLB roster spot worthy floor.

 

Why not? He's proven the minors to be absolutely below him. I agree with Diony on this one. Melancon's ceiling is closer. Not of Mo's caliber, but closer nonetheless. I do think that even if the wheels come off, he could safely be a middle reliever in the majors. Thats not saying much.

[Dojji]

One thing going for Melcancon is that he matches his power with good command. That does bode well for his future.

 

One thing going against Melancon, is that like Joba, his health is always going to be a big issue for him. It's not gonna be like Mo Rivera was in his prime -- he's always going to have to be kept healthy.

[diony]

One thing going for Melcancon is that he matches his power with good command. That does bode well for his future.

 

One thing going against Melancon, is that like Joba, his health is always going to be a big issue for him. It's not gonna be like Mo Rivera was in his prime -- he's always going to have to be kept healthy.

 

He already had TJ, came back last year a tossed 95 IPs dominating three levels. They worked with him the entire year cleaning his mechanics. He's also a good athlete with a tremendous work ethic. It's unfair to compare him with Joba.

[ORS]

What has me skeptical is the 95 innings over 3 different leagues. I'll become more of a believer when he can achieve the same success over a workload in AAA where he'll be seen multiple times by hitters. You've seen a lot of this with recent Yankee pitching prospects, particulary IPK. Where guys who didn't get big touting from scouts are rushed up, which utilizes the advantage a pitcher has in first time matchups.

 

And then you have the whole issue of whether or not when a reliever dominates the IL if it means anything. Mmm'bop (Hansen) was stellar in AAA last year.