Red Sox made play for SS Ramirez

[Paradisecity]

How about Ellsbury, Masterson, Kottraras and one more?

 

i think they'd be happy with the value back plus the $$$ coming off the books.

 

I suppose it doesn't matter since it sounds as if they are done talking.

[diony]

How about Ellsbury' date=' Masterson, Kottraras and one more?[/b']

 

i think they'd be happy with the value back plus the $$$ coming off the books.

 

I suppose it doesn't matter since it sounds as if they are done talking.

 

Yeah right, add Charlie Zink and you have a deal.

[BSN07]

How about Ellsbury, Masterson, Kottraras and one more?

 

i think they'd be happy with the value back plus the $$$ coming off the books.

 

I suppose it doesn't matter since it sounds as if they are done talking.

 

I'd find it hard to argue with that. But from the eyeball test it looks light.

 

 

 

Well they said nothing was happing for now. But knowing what we know now. Do you think there could be a list of players the Sox have looked/are looking in on?

 

 

They might have a few prospects in mind that they are willing to move. Now they might be sniffing around to see who might be available for those players. Hanley is probably the 1st player on such a list.

[Paradisecity]

Yeah- I agree with both of you that it is light- I guess the "one more" leaves a lot open to interpretation.

[TheKilo]

Ellsbury, Buchholz, Exposito, Bowden

[BSN07]

Ellsbury' date=' Buchholz, Exposito, Bowden[/quote']

 

Buchholz, Bowden and ellsbury in the same trade?:shock:

 

If that's what it really takes(it completely possible that that's the asking price), then I would go look around at what else the team might be able to aquire.

 

I would be ok trading any of those players(assuming it's bringing in top tier talent), but I'd rather they didn't do it all in the same deal.

 

But it all depends on who else might be available. Buchholz,Esposito+1 for Mauer? the Bowden+prospects to upgrade at some other position. Might be better then sending it all to Florida for Hanley.

 

But I guess if it went down, I could get over it.

[TheKilo]

You keep Lester and Anderson who are arugably their two biggest chips right now for a superstar, nay, an ELITE talent entering his prime.

 

Please remember Ramirez is younger than Ellsbury.

[example1]

You keep Lester and Anderson who are arugably their two biggest chips right now for a superstar, nay, an ELITE talent entering his prime.

 

Please remember Ramirez is younger than Ellsbury.

 

I can't say I disagree, though I would do my best to hold onto Bowden if possible (I realize that Buchholz is gone in any deal for someone as talented as Hanley). Ultimately, if the Sox were able to get Hanley BACK from the Marlins by giving up only players who were not even an afterthought in the first Hanley deal, that's a pretty good thing. The end up with both ends of the same deal with Beckett, Lowell AND Hanley for players they have developed since that trade went down.

 

Again, it isn't happening, but it says something about the type of thought this FO is willing to pursue.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd do it. But I had a giant man crush on Hanley when he was here.

[BSN07]

You keep Lester and Anderson who are arugably their two biggest chips right now for a superstar, nay, an ELITE talent entering his prime.

 

Please remember Ramirez is younger than Ellsbury.

 

I get your point. Like I said I'd pull the trigger if that was the only deal out there.

 

What other guys are out there that might not be available, but if given the right package coul become available?

 

And Ellsbury is 3 months younger then Hanley. I understand your point there tho.

[Cocos Disciples]

Just remember guys, this isn't like the Santana thing where the Twins were intent on trading him and ended up getting lesser value. The Marlins are in no rush to deal Hanley and would probably have to be blown away to agree.

[BSN07]

Just remember guys' date=' this isn't like the Santana thing where the Twins were intent on trading him and ended up getting lesser value. The Marlins are in no rush to deal Hanley and would probably have to be blown away to agree.[/quote']

 

Ya we already had a disclosure about this conversation earlier. We all know the Marlins don't have to deal Hanley at the moment. This is just sort of speculation, personal opinion at this point.

[Dojji]

You keep Lester and Anderson who are arugably their two biggest chips right now for a superstar, nay, an ELITE talent entering his prime.

 

Please remember Ramirez is younger than Ellsbury.

I would cringe if the price went that high, but I can't honestly stand there and say I'm not tempted by the concept of what Hanley could bring to a weak position in the Boston lineup.

 

This isn't Furcal and this isn't even a situation where the incumbents are doing OK, they're not. Guy's Nomar Garciaparra with more speed. If you think you can get Hanley, you have to get Hanley.

[TheKilo]

It is a steep price, indeed. But this is Hanley Ramirez we are talking about.

 

Even if you move him to CF you will get ELITE production out of that position. Imagine him denting the Monster 81 games a season?

[naptownsoxfan]

I am just impressed that we went after him in the first place.

[BSN07]

I am just impressed that we went after him in the first place.

 

I feel the same way. Although at some point I'd like to see an actual move take place.

[naptownsoxfan]

I feel the same way. Although at some point I'd like to see an actual move take place.

 

100% agreed

[Dipre]

Shame on those who said Theo was sitting in his chair with a thumb up his ass.

 

He's always working on the big move from behind the scenes.

[jacksonianmarch]

Impressed that you heard the exorbitant amount it would take to acquire him and he had the "guts" to walk away. God, this is funny. Nobody cares if you almost get someone. In the same breath, if the sox could get Hanley for Ellsbury and Buchholz, you gotta do it. Think about it. Beckett, DiceK and Lester are locked up for 2, 4, and 4 yrs respectively. Thats a nice top 3. Hanley can play Ellsbury's position, if 10X the offensive player that he is, and is younger. Walking away from the table there sounds almost like Theo was trying to just show he wasnt sitting with his thumb up his ass. If he actually wanted to make a splash, then it would have been done without any publicity. Thats his gig. If he is truly interested, usually the public doesnt know anything about it. When the press knows, he is using them for his own PR ploys.

[TheKilo]

Theo didn't walk. From the article linked in the OP:

 

But while the Marlins listened to Boston's overtures, talks were quickly scuttled and it appears there's very little chance they will be revived as Florida isn't anxious to trade its best player.

[Cocos Disciples]

He made the offer right after the Teixeira signing, which was about a week before the report. He kept it secret when it was a possibility, but now that's it dead it doesn't matter.

[BSN07]

He made the offer right after the Teixeira signing' date=' which was about a week before the report. He kept it secret when it was a possibility, but now that's it dead it doesn't matter.[/quote']

 

This makes sense.

 

 

I wonder if Hanley is the only player Theo has looked in on?:dunno:

[Dipre]

I highly doubt that, and i assume we'll read a couple more of this "Sox made a play for....." articles before ST, even if something gets done.

[Dojji]

Here's a name I'd love to see on a thread like this: Lance Berkman. If Houston is regrouping it could happen. A three-way with Philly, Houston and Boston would get that done and it might improve the team without exorbitant costs in talent and dollars for the Sox.

 

Philly gets:

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

Houston gets

Jason Donald

Luis Exposito

 

Boston gets

Lance Berkman

 

Something like that works on paper. Lowell winds up on a contender so I doubt he'd complain, and we get a very nice switch hitting power 1Bman with Youks at third and not too far out of our way prospect wise.

[TheKilo]

Why, we have Mike Lowell and the upgrade is marginal.

 

[redsoxrules]

Why, we have Mike Lowell and the upgrade is marginal.

 

 

yeah but at less cost !!

[BSN07]

Here's a name I'd love to see on a thread like this: Lance Berkman. If Houston is regrouping it could happen. A three-way with Philly, Houston and Boston would get that done and it might improve the team without exorbitant costs in talent and dollars for the Sox.

 

Philly gets:

 

Mike Lowell

Kris Johnson

 

Houston gets

Jason Donald

Luis Exposito

 

Boston gets

Lance Berkman

 

Something like that works on paper. Lowell winds up on a contender so I doubt he'd complain, and we get a very nice switch hitting power 1Bman with Youks at third and not too far out of our way prospect wise.

 

I like your idea. If the Sox could get Berkman without giving up any top prospects, you atleast have to consider it. But he is 32, I know that's not old, but I'm not sure what he has left on his current contract either.

 

But like in any deal, it all comes down to who the Sox have to give up IMO.

[Dojji]

Why, we have Mike Lowell and the upgrade is marginal.

 

 

The upgrade was marginal for a $23M contract for the next 8 years. Getting Berkman doesn't limit our future options like Teixeira did and is a contract Houston would be willing to consider dumping for a good prospect return. Berkman's only locked down till 2011, which doesn't block Anderson and his contract is actually CHEAPER than Lowell's so improvement on the margin comes with better roster flexibility, not worse..

 

THe kicker for me is the contract. It would be a very Sox-friendly deal as it's similar to Papi's, which you all agreed was a good contract to wait for to advance Anderson.

[TheKilo]

How did Teixeira limit our future options?

 

They aren't working on a long-term deal for Youks.

Lowell's contract is up in 2010.

Ortiz's in 2011.

 

I find it very difficult to believe they will resign the big man in the wake of all his health concerns - especially at the price he'll be asking for.

 

Tell me who Teixeira blocks again?

[Gom]

I like your idea. If the Sox could get Berkman without giving up any top prospects, you atleast have to consider it. But he is 32, I know that's not old, but I'm not sure what he has left on his current contract either.

 

But like in any deal, it all comes down to who the Sox have to give up IMO.

 

Wow...what a great deal. Too bad the OTHER teams don't comply with feeding Boston talent while getting next to nothing in return.

 

So...you want Houston to get a 23 year old AA shortstop with an average bat and a 20 year old A ball catching prospect for an All-Star 1B who had a .987 OPS last year?

 

Go back to sleep.

 

How about this? We'll trade you Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson for Youkilis? There is NO WAY you can say no to this deal. Berkman had better numbers last year, and both Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy are considered MUCH better prospects than what you offered.

 

Idiot.