Bobby Abreu

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Anyone surprised at the lack of talk about this guy? I know that the market is just waiting for the chips to fall in terms of Offensive players (Tex, Manny, Burrell, Dunn) but there has been zero talk about this guy. I guess hes pretty boring, but he does have 6 straight 100+ RBI seasons, he does hit more than 20 dingers a year, he does hit .300, and manages to get on base at a .400 clip.....

 

.300 BA

20 HR

100 RBI

.400 OBP

20 SB a year

 

Even with all that, not much interest from anyone. I know he played a little bit of SS in the minor leagues, I really wish he also played a little bit of 1B, to be a backup plan for Tex.....anyone else surprised? Hes one of the most consistent year to year players in all of baseball, let alone this FA class, and hes only 34......has a couple more left in the tank.

 

Discuss.

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An article I read, which got my mind going to write the thread about him:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3773760

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I know that the market is just waiting for the chips to fall in terms of Offensive players (Tex' date=' Manny, Burrell, Dunn) [/quote']

 

I think this is key. Once Teixeira signs, things will get going with Dunn, Burrell, Abreu, etc.

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I think this is key. Once Teixeira signs' date=' things will get going with Dunn, Burrell, Abreu, etc.[/quote']

 

Even though we agree, I really think Abreu does not get the credit her deserves. I dont see him being that far off and what Manny brings to the table......when you factor in ALLLLL of the factors......IMO this is how most people view the chips to fall in order:

 

Tex

Manny

Burrell

Dunn

Abreu

 

I just think the general consensus of the guy is a little underrated. He stacks up comparable to all of those options, and when you consider age, durability, speed, defense, and reputation I really think Abreu is a better option than Manny, who showed his true colors last year when he decided hed rather play for HIMSELF to better his stock, rather than honor a contract....

[Cocos Disciples]

He's consistent and he'll put up .290/.370/.460, but he's not what he used to be. He would still be a valuable piece.

[BoSox21]

I think the lack of talk is because Abreu values himself a lot higher than any team interested in his services does

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Although very unlikely, I wouldn't be opposed to the Yankees finding some way to bring him back, with or without Manny.

[Dipre]

If anything , Bobby Abreu is overrated, and his contract demands are ridiculous.

 

He may be a good hitter, but he's horrendous on defense, and his stats are solid, but not $16+ million solid.

[diony]

I think this is key. Once Teixeira signs' date=' things will get going with Dunn, Burrell, Abreu, etc.[/quote']

 

I don't think that's the reason, look at Raul Ibanez. He was signed over Abreu despite the fact the he's a type A.

[jacksonianmarch]

Once the big fish sign, the rest soon follow. That is how you gauge the market. So Tex signs for 23 mil a yr, well, my guy is at least 2/3 as valuable as tex so he should get 15 mil a yr. You get the picture. Abreu will find a nice new home elsewhere. I think we decided that we'd either upgrade on D (with Swisher at 1B and Nady in RF who isnt great but is better than Abreu on D or Tex at 1b and Swish in RF) or go with an upgrade on the O with similar D (Manny over Abreu).

 

And now that the yankees are going balls out on FAs, I understand their logic for not offering arb to Abreu.

 

1. If we nab either Manny or Tex, then Abreu accepting arb would suck. We wouldnt have a place for him AND we'd be on the hook for 16-18 mil + 40% of lux tax.

 

2. There is a rule about the amount of Type A FAs you can sign. The first absolute rule is that you can sign up to as many Type A's as you have lost. That would be one definite for us. Then the rest is determined by how many FAs declared for free agency. I remember hearing in a prior blog post on a yankee site that if Abreu leaves, we can get a max of 5 type A FAs (our 3 type A FAs plus two more based upon the amount of FAs ho filed). Marte and Pettitte would be 2 of them. Now AJ and CC are in the fold. Then one last one which could be Manny, Tex, etc. SO if it were Abreu, then we'd have to end our pursuit of Manny and Tex.

[Gom]

Abreu will be lucky to break 10 million. 15 million...I would be shocked.

[redsoxrules]

Abreu will be lucky to break 10 million. 15 million...I would be shocked.

 

Abreu will break 10 easily

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Abreu will be lucky to break 10 million. 15 million...I would be shocked.

Are you serious?

 

1. If we nab either Manny or Tex, then Abreu accepting arb would suck. We wouldnt have a place for him AND we'd be on the hook for 16-18 mil + 40% of lux tax.

The deadline to accept arbitration has passed, so if we did offer Bobby arbitration and he accepted we would have a place for him because neither Teixeira or Manny had been signed at that point, nor up to this point.

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I don't think that's the reason' date=' look at Raul Ibanez. He was signed over Abreu despite the fact the he's a type A.[/quote']

 

Ibanez is under rated. Only because he has been playing in Seattle. Go look at his RBI numbers over the last 3 seasons and compare them to the top in the game. He's right up there.

 

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[diony]

Ibanez is under rated. Only because he has been playing in Seattle. Go look at his RBI numbers over the last 3 seasons and compare them to the top in the game. He's right up there.

 

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5th in 08

11th in 07

3rd in 06

 

Still, he's two years older than Abreu, he's slightly better than Abreu defensively and was a type-A free agent. Stupid move by the Phillies.

[Gom]

Ok...what team will sign a good offensive player who will obviously be in decline? Look at Ibanez. Similar numbers: 3 years, 31.5 million and a Type A free agent that will cost them picks. Why do you think Abreu will get nearly 50% more than Ibanez will?

That is how you gauge the market. So Tex signs for 23 mil a yr' date=' well, my guy is at least 2/3 as valuable as tex so he should get 15 mil a yr. You get the picture.[/quote']

 

Abreu is a poor defensive OF who is showing signs of decline, although he puts up good numbers as a complimentary player.

 

Teixeira is a gold glove caliber 1B, switch hitter with average & power. He's also entering his prime.

 

 

Who wants to bet that his AAV will be closer to 10 million than 15 million?

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Ibanez is under rated. Only because he has been playing in Seattle. Go look at his RBI numbers over the last 3 seasons and compare them to the top in the game. He's right up there.

 

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5th in 08

11th in 07

3rd in 06

 

RBI is not a very good stat to judge a player.

 

Ok...what team will sign a good offensive player who will obviously be in decline? Look at Ibanez. Similar numbers: 3 years, 31.5 million and a Type A free agent that will cost them picks. Why do you think Abreu will get nearly 50% more than Ibanez will?

 

 

Abreu is a poor defensive OF who is showing signs of decline, although he puts up good numbers as a complimentary player.

 

Teixeira is a gold glove caliber 1B, switch hitter with average & power. He's also entering his prime.

 

I don't think Jacko was specifically saying that Abreu will get 15.

 

 

Who wants to bet that his AAV will be closer to 10 million than 15 million?

 

I agree, it will be around 10-12 IMO. But you said:

 

Abreu will be lucky to break 10 million. 15 million...I would be shocked.

 

Why does he get less than Ibanez? Ibanez's OPS's over the past three years have been: .869, .831, .837. Abreu's have been: .888, .814, .842. Abreu is also a couple of years younger, and will give you 20 more SBs.

[Dipre]

Still' date=' he's two years older than Abreu, he's slightly better than Abreu defensively and was a type-A free agent. [b']Stupid move by the Phillies.[/b]

 

Care to elaborate?

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Care to elaborate?

 

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in.

 

With the change of LF from Burrell to Ibanez, the Phillies made a bad move. For one, Burrell's biggest weakness (fielding) wasn't really corrected. Ibanez is terrible in the field. Maybe not as bad as Burrell, but close.

 

They should have offered Burrell arbitration, and if he accepted they would have had him for about 1/15 (two draft picks if he doesn't). Burrell is five years younger than Ibanez, and the Phils have Ibanez through his age 38 season as opposed to Burrell in his age 32 season. Considering the two have posted very similar numbers recently, why wouldn't you take the smaller commitment and almost certain .870+ OPS over the larger commitment and almost guaranteed decline?

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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in.

 

With the change of LF from Burrell to Ibanez, the Phillies made a bad move. For one, Burrell's biggest weakness (fielding) wasn't really corrected. Ibanez is terrible in the field. Maybe not as bad as Burrell, but close.

 

They should have offered Burrell arbitration, and if he accepted they would have had him for about 1/15 (two draft picks if he doesn't). Burrell is five years younger than Ibanez, and the Phils have Ibanez through his age 38 season as opposed to Burrell in his age 32 season. Considering the two have posted very similar numbers recently, why wouldn't you take the smaller commitment and almost certain .870+ OPS over the larger commitment and almost guaranteed decline?

 

He didn't mean the difference between Burrell and Ibanez, he meant the difference between Abreu and Ibanez.

 

Because if i can't have Burrell, i ain't signing Abreu for 15 mill a year, their mistake was letting Burrell go, not signing Ibanez over a much pricier, and if you take home field as a point of reference, maybe less productive Abreu over the course of a 3-year contract, but that's just me.

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Well, it was still a stupid move by the Phillies for my reason.

[Dipre]

Well' date=' it was still a stupid move by the Phillies for my reason.[/quote']

 

Agreed then.