Let the insanity begin.....

[BSN07]

Just heard on Mike and Mike, Buster Olney reporting San Diego is making Star SP Jake Peavy available. He is signed threw 2012. Who will pony up 6+ prospects for him?(Haren brought in 6).

 

With Theo and Towers relationship, I would imagine the tires would get kicked on this, but not sure if anything happens. Now lets hear what the Yanks will do to try and bring in CC and Peavy LOL

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd like to play the postseason first, please.

[rician blast]

Just heard on Mike and Mike, Buster Olney reporting San Diego is making Star SP Jake Peavy available. He is signed threw 2012. Who will pony up 6+ prospects for him?(Haren brought in 6).

 

With Theo and Towers relationship, I would imagine the tires would get kicked on this, but not sure if anything happens. Now lets hear what the Yanks will do to try and bring in CC and Peavy LOL

 

Heard this as well. Not sure how that would fly in Boston, given his contract looks like this:

2008 salary: $6.5 million

2009 salary: $11 million

2010 salary: $15 million

2011 salary: $16 million

2012 salary: $17 million

 

Assuming Beckett remains healthy and effective, you're potentially looking at him commanding similar money in an extension...and Peavy aint won s*** to date.

 

Meanwhile Brandon Webb is looking at $6.5m for 2009 with a team option at $8.5m for 2010...well below his current worth. I think there is strong potential for him to be moved before the 2010 season, as the D-Backs, with a current team payroll of approx. $66m aren't likely to pony up 1/4 of their payroll for one guy.

 

With all this in mind, while the focus is on Sabathia, Sheets, Burnett, et al...there are viable options to improve/maintain one's staff over the next couple of years, but it'll cost some scoot...or, in the case of Peavy and Webb, some prospects.

[Soxfan1]

If they yanks chase him I doubt they get Sabathia. That being said I think the Yanks end up with Sabathia and I'm crossing my fingers that this is another distraction off Sheets who I hope the sox can net.

[Gom]

I would rather have CC for the following reasons:

 

1) He's done it in the AL already

2) Peavy is a career NL pitcher

3) He pitches in SD, a notorious pitchers park

4) The cost in prospects/players is prohibitive

 

CC is a much better value than Peavy. So is AJ. So is Sheets.

[TheKilo]

You mean the Ben Sheets with a torn muscle near his pitching elbow? That Ben Sheets?

[BSN07]

No thanks to Sheets. Giving this guy anything long term is risky at this point. I think he has something serious, if it was nagging or small he would have tried to throw threw it, especialy in his FA year. By him saying hes done, he is costing himself huuuuuge money. Thats the biggest red flag I have ever seen.....

 

Burnett is also risky, but not as much. He has put together a good healthy run. It was thought some of his injuries where " in his head"(I really wish I knew where the article for this was, its been awhile), it was him over worrying his repaired elbow. Since the doc told him that he has been strong.

 

Worrying about Beckett $ vs Peavy $ is nothing really. The Sox know Beckett's pay day is coming. He's done everything asked of him and never once has complained about the realitively cheap deal of his. If he pitches well this post season, I say the Sox Re-up his deal this off season or early next season like they did the last time. I think this has played a part in the Sox not dealing any young pitching. They know without Beckett, there is no Championship in 07. He is the type of guy you want to lead a staff. And he loves playing in Boston. So they are going to pay him what he wants, I think 4/5 years 75-85M. With that in mind, it would be smart to keep all the good young/CHEAP pitching to fill out the Staff. Matsuzaka has got to be signed to one of the best deals in Baseball. Lester is still cheap(although I could see him and Papelbon getting new deals with in the next year or so.)

[kreinbihl34]

In all seriousness Papelbon is going to want a huge payday, deservingly so. Let's say he asking for 15 million a year and Theo shoots back at 10. Do we let him go?

[TheKilo]

Papelbon will most likely go to arb, won't sniff $ 15 mill for a few years.

[Cocos Disciples]

He's not a free agent.

[TheKilo]

Cot's said he signed a one-year deal last season (linky), but he doesn't have the service time to be a FA.

 

Hence, I think he goes to arb.

[Cocos Disciples]

That's correct, as far as I know.

[rician blast]

Worrying about Beckett $ vs Peavy $ is nothing really.

 

Not sure I understand the sentence above.

 

You later intimated that perhaps a 4-5 year deal in the range of $17m-$18m per year will get done for Beckett...I'm of the mind that giving Beckett that kind of money likely precludes the trade for a RH pitcher from the NL who's contract calls for $15-$17m for 2010-2012.

 

Are you saying the Sox would do something like this regardless of BEckett's status? Or that you believe the Red Sox will not look at Peavey regardless? Not sure where you're coming from.

[Cocos Disciples]

I think he's saying that the money makes little difference since the Sox are so wealthy.

[Gom]

I think he's saying that the money makes little difference since the Sox are so wealthy.

Bingo.

[BSN07]

I think he's saying that the money makes little difference since the Sox are so wealthy.

 

yup:D Sorry for not being clear, sometimes my I finish my thoughts in my head and don't type them out correctly.LOL I'm basically saying that a pitchers contract worth shouldn't detour the Sox from checking on the availability of the player. Reason being, I think Beckett is due a big pay day anyways and its coming soon.

[rician blast]

yup:D Sorry for not being clear' date=' sometimes my I finish my thoughts in my head and don't type them out correctly.LOL I'm basically saying that a pitchers contract worth shouldn't detour the Sox from checking on the availability of the player. Reason being, I think Beckett is due a big pay day anyways and its coming soon.[/quote']

 

 

I thought that might be what you were getting at. I'd maintain, however, that a big Beckjett pay day absolutely WILL directly impact the FO approach toward FA signings and/or trades that mean taking on additional big payroll.

 

IMO, this ownership group is concerned with both holding the line on team payroll and winning. In fact, 2008's payroll is, IIRC, close to $10m lower than 2007. While the Sox have significant resources, I believe they operate with some financial constraint, and that would potentially preclude them from a Jake Peavy-like signing in the wake of a $15m plus per year Beckett deal.

 

Now, specific to Beckett, let's not kid ourselves into thinking an extension at those $ is automatic...the FO has shown repeatedly that they don't necessarily fall in love with players the way the fans do and that they're willing to make the unpopular move if they think it helps the organization as a whole. With Lester and Matsuzaka establishing themselves the way they've done this year, things could become very interesting in terms of the direction the FO goes with their SPs.

[BSN07]

I thought that might be what you were getting at. I'd maintain, however, that a big Beckjett pay day absolutely WILL directly impact the FO approach toward FA signings and/or trades that mean taking on additional big payroll.

 

IMO, this ownership group is concerned with both holding the line on team payroll and winning. In fact, 2008's payroll is, IIRC, close to $10m lower than 2007. While the Sox have significant resources, I believe they operate with some financial constraint, and that would potentially preclude them from a Jake Peavy-like signing in the wake of a $15m plus per year Beckett deal.

 

Now, specific to Beckett, let's not kid ourselves into thinking an extension at those $ is automatic...the FO has shown repeatedly that they don't necessarily fall in love with players the way the fans do and that they're willing to make the unpopular move if they think it helps the organization as a whole. With Lester and Matsuzaka establishing themselves the way they've done this year, things could become very interesting in terms of the direction the FO goes with their SPs.

 

I agree with what your saying. I don't really thin the Sox go after Peavy for the reasons you stated. It was more of just saying Beckett would still be the topped paid pitcher on the staff.

 

I also agree with you that the Sox have shown they will let a player go even if the fans love them. But I believe Beckett is different. He is a bonified Ace. Not too many of those around. Out of any players, i think they might pony up for him.

[rician blast]

I agree with what your saying. I don't really thin the Sox go after Peavy for the reasons you stated. It was more of just saying Beckett would still be the topped paid pitcher on the staff.

 

I also agree with you that the Sox have shown they will let a player go even if the fans love them. But I believe Beckett is different. He is a bonified Ace. Not too many of those around. Out of any players, i think they might pony up for him.

 

 

Agreed.

 

On a side note, I was just looking at what other SPs were FAs in 2010 (some with team options) and they include:

Bedard (don't like him)

Duchscherer (like him as a lower in the rotation guy)

Harden (not sure)

Cliff Lee (great 2008)

Brandon Webb (like this kid a lot..but he does pitch in AAAA)

 

Some of these guys won't stick with their current teams until FA, IMO, and might be available through a trade, but again, for someone of Webb's caliber, a team will have to pony up some prospects and potentially some MLB talent as well.

[jacksonianmarch]

SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA

2002 SD 17 17 0 0 97.2 106 54 49 11 33 90 6 7 0 0 -- 4.52

2003 SD 32 32 0 0 194.2 173 94 89 33 82 156 12 11 0 0 -- 4.12

2004 SD 27 27 0 0 166.1 146 49 42 13 53 173 15 6 0 0 -- 2.27

2005 SD 30 30 3 3 203.0 162 70 65 18 50 216 13 7 0 0 -- 2.88

2006 SD 32 32 2 0 202.1 187 93 92 23 62 215 11 14 0 0 -- 4.09

2007 SD 34 34 0 0 223.1 169 67 63 13 68 240 19 6 0 0 -- 2.54

2008 SD 27 27 1 0 173.2 146 57 55 17 59 166 10 11 0 0 -- 2.85

Total -- 199 199 6 3 1261.0 1089 484 455 128 407 1256 86 62 0 0 -- 3.25

 

Those are pretty nice stats. I like the idea of Peavy mostly because he's 27 and is under contract for 4 more yrs. Granted at a high price, BUT, whomever gets him will get him with a lot of prime left without having to invest into the down yrs like the mets had to do with Johan and anyone will have to do for Burnett and CC. But what will it take to get him?

 

Figure the NLW is out. The Cardinals need pitching. The Cubs wont and the Reds and Brewers will be rebuilding. The Stros gutted their farm for Tejada. The Pirates, Marlins, and Nats are out. The Mutts will be looking for relief help and dont have the prospects since they gutted their farm too. Philly would put their hat in the ring, but their system is marginal. Atlanta wont pay that coin. TB wont pay that coin. The sox would kick the tires, but with a three headed monster of Becks, DiceK, and Lester, they dont need to make a big splash. Toronto doesnt have the payroll flexibility. CWS and DET will be in on it. KC and Minny, no. CLE, no. ANA doesnt need him, OAK doesnt have the money. Texas will be in on it no doubt and Seattle will likely be rebuilding and they have other problems.

 

So from just looking at where teams sit, I see the Cardinals, Phillies, Red Sox (peripherally), White Sox, Tigers, and Rangers in the mix with the Yankees. The Red Sox have the best overall system and trade chips because of their youth at the MLB level (this includes Pedroia, Papelbon, Youkilis, etc guys they wont deal). The Tigers have a couple of big prospects, but any deal with Detroit would start with Porcello. The Cardinals have Rasmus and a few others. The Rangers have Salty and a good offensive/catching farm. The White Sox and Phillies would have to literally gut their top 5. For us, we'd likely have to part with Hughes or Cano as the centerpiece of the deal with a lot of prospects behind them. It will be interesting to see where we go with this.