Manny Wanted to Stay...

[Mr Crunchy]

boras would get 0 if manny was reupped here,boras is an ass hat and even arod,the 1 man who has a bigger opinion of himself than manny does,fired his ass.

manny gets to see the doug davis type starters and the brandon lyon type closers for 3 months.

he may indeed shatter the national league west down the stretch single handedly and then create a 9 figure deal for himself in the process.

i know mike lupica is furiously abusing himself thinking of all the headlines he can generate from the couch with this guy in pinstripes or playing over in flushing meadows..

[BoSox21]

the bottom line is that regardless of how Manny does for the next 2-3 months and regardless of what kind of contract he gets in the off-season, the Red Sox had little choice in letting him go and the fact that he and Boras came out and said he would've behaved had the two options been dropped puts the exclamation point on that.

 

The Sox can't do business by allowing Manny to hold them hostage to try and regain control of his financial future from a clause he agreed to in the first place. It sets a horrible precedent that would affect several teams for years to come and to an extent, it did but at least the Sox proved that they wouldn't be a part of it

[Gom]

After Drew's sudden change of mind and going to Boston the other year. I have no doubt is was all Boras. I hope someday these owners will just refuse to sign his players and let them sit out a season for their / his greed. I will give credit to him for getting the most for his clients. Though I despise him for his methods and tactics. I hope he rots in hell someday.

You weren't complaining about Boras when he got you Drew and Lugo.

 

Play with fire long enough, you'll get burned.

[Dojji]

You weren't complaining about Boras when he got you Drew and Lugo.

 

Play with fire long enough, you'll get burned.

 

The only Boras client I'd be sorry to see go right now is JD.

[Anuj09]

Manny will stay with the dodgers like Soriano stayed with the Nationals.

[Dojji]

Manny will stay with the dodgers like Soriano stayed with the Nationals.

 

Dunno bout that. THe Dodgers have at least proven that they're willing to spend money, and they've been desperate for offense for years.

[Paradisecity]

I have a hard time believing that the dodgers will pony up 18 million per year for Manny when they wouldn't even pay a portion of the 7 to take him for the rest of the year.

 

Who do they have coming off the books?

[BoSox21]

Dunno bout that. THe Dodgers have at least proven that they're willing to spend money' date=' and they've been desperate for offense for years.[/quote']

 

theyre paying Andruw for another year, are they really gonna wanna pony up for Manny?

[rician blast]

I think they've got quite a bit coming off the books, including ther following:

 

Furcal $13m+

Penny $8.5 (team option)

Lowe $10m

Nomar $8.5m

Berroa $5.5m (team option)

Casey Blake $6m

Kent $9m (team option)

 

If I'm right, assuming no options were picked up, that's approx. $61m coming off...but leaves a lot of holes (SS, 3B, 2 SPs), a prick (Kent) and a guy with a mangina (Nomar)

[jacksonianmarch]

I see Manny in LA alright. With the angels

[Anuj09]

I see Manny in LA alright. With the angels

 

you know that would not surprise me at all. Especially if the Angels don't do well in the play-offs (which i doubt). they too have a lot of potential FA this off-season - Tex, Vlad, and Anderson to name some big ones though vlad and anderson have options. I can see the Angels holding on to vlad and dropping anderson (i believe he DH's?) then making a big push for Manny.

 

Lackey is another FA though his option will surely be picked up.

[example1]

I see Manny in LA alright. With the angels

 

Really? I don't.

 

I don't think he's a Scioscia kind of player at all. Scioscia likes fundamentally sound players who offer versatility and who are consumate professionals.

 

Manny's antics at a 20m pricetag will not fly with that style. Some other (less intelligent) franchise (like the dodgers) will make that run at Manny and will land him.

 

Why wouldn't the Angels just resign Teixeira and be done with it? They need a 1B, Teixeira will probably be cheaper, as good at the plate and better in the field.

[TheKilo]

Manny won't sign for $20 million if his options aren't picked up. The market won't be there.

 

Teixeira will cost more than Manny.

[example1]

Manny won't sign for $20 million if his options aren't picked up. The market won't be there.

 

Teixeira will cost more than Manny.

 

While I tend to agree with you, I don't see Manny and Boras going to the Angels and saying "Hey, we'd happily join your team for 13-15m a season, just sign on the dotted line."

 

No, there will be playing one team off against another and falsely heightening the amount of interest in him. We've seen it all before.

 

So, the Angels go to Teixeira and say "Mark, we'd love to have you on our team. We gave up talent to get you and we're prepared to give you a deal that will get you 17m a year for 6 years."

 

I also think that other teams will grossly overpay Manny simply because he brings flash and media attention to any team he plays for. He won't get 25, but he won't get 14 either.

[YazsTripleCrown]

You weren't complaining about Boras when he got you Drew and Lugo.

 

Play with fire long enough, you'll get burned.

 

I did not want Drew nor Lugo. No one did to be honest. Nor was I sorry to see them go. I don't care for any of Boras's players. Every player they have ever signed of his received a big pay day and then proceeded to earn it on the DL or totally suck. Jones being his latest.

 

As far as Manny goes. It's been fun to see him in Blue yes. But I'm not holding my breathe that he'll be back at what he wants. He may have saved Ned's ass for the short term, but I'd rather have the kids for years, rather than 2 months on Manny. If they tank, both Ned and Manny will be gone, then hopefully Logan White will become the GM. He found all the kids and seems to be the only one with faith in them. With the way they have been treated. I don't expect them to stay when they are able to leave with Ned as GM. I'm glad to see Andy finally get his shot in Pitt. Hope he has a great career.

[Dojji]

Let's be fair to Colletti. He didn't trust the kids, you say, and yet I see Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw, Broxton, Billingsley, Loney and Martin all on the roster and playing key roles. Who does that leave? Chin-Lung Hu got a chance to take over at short and blew it. Jon Meloan wasn't getting it done in AAA and LaRoche had struggled when they tried to give him the 3B job. So who was left?

[YazsTripleCrown]

Hu had eye surgery and is hitting .385 since the surgery.

 

Loney won the 1B spot over Nomar last year and was sent back down to vegas. He came back up in Aug. Was the NL player of the month in Sept. all the while waiting for Nomar to get it together. Loney was hittng over .350 when they recalled him.

 

Laroche had 152 total MLB AB's over the last 2 years. He won the job in St and was injured. Dewitt played over his head and returned to the AA player he's supposed to be. Andy never got a shot, other than 3 games in Col. They went and signed Blake.

 

Kershaw has been up and down. His last two starts have been good. He is still only 20 yo.

 

Ethier won the LF job in ST. He has continued to out preform Pierre. Yet he sits.

 

Meloan should have been left a RP.

 

Broxton, Bill's and Martin have all been up for 3 years.

 

Every one of Whites signings have out performed the old washed up players Ned keeps bringing in. Yet you had Tracy, Little and now Torre who all hate young players. Joe Torre is so over rated. He had an All Star team to send out every day in NY. How hard was that?.

 

About the only thing I'm thankful for is that they have not traded them all away. As to being fair with Colletti. All I'll say is. Schmidt, Jones and Pierre. I swear he is still working for SF sometimes.

[BoSox21]

according to CHB, Selig is investigating the events surrounding Manny's departure from the Sox

[example1]

according to CHB' date=' Selig is investigating the events surrounding Manny's departure from the Sox[/quote']

 

 

Manny threatening to not play? Sox shady dealings?

[jacksonianmarch]

Manny not playing up to snuff. If they come to the conclusion that the agent told the player to tank so he can be dealt, then Boras could be suspended.

[YazsTripleCrown]

Banning Boras would be to the benefit of all baseball. He's scum and several of his dealings the last few years have all been shady.

[example1]

Manny-tangent: Thank you Mr. Ramirez/Would Babe Ruth blow our minds?:

 

Commentators and sports pundits sometimes (rightly) devalue old-time baseball players' achievements due to the improved athleticism, racial tolerance, and world-wide scouting that we have in the 21st century. That said, when I hear people talk about how Babe Ruth wouldn't be "Babe Ruth" if he played today, I can't help but think he might be a player like Manny Ramirez. In truth, Barry Bonds would be the easiest comparison (both LH and by far the best of their age) but Bonds' accomplishments don't seem real to me.

 

In this age, he's one of the few who I feel comfortable comparing historically with other greats. His production has been pretty consistent, as has his body size, his intensity level and his personality (though consistently weird). Here are the players who B-R say are most similar to Manny, which ones are free from any suspicion? (Larry Walker, Jim Thome, Frank Thomas, Willie Stargell, Jeff Bagwell, Alex Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Joe DiMaggio, Gary Sheffield, Juan Gonzalez). When I eliminate my personal list I end up with 4, maybe 5 players remaining. Easy HOF all.

 

Manny is just an amazing hitter and, upon reflection, clearly has been for years and years. Watching him hit is probably what was felt when people watched (and rooted for) Williams or Ruth. He controlled ABs better than anyone I've ever seen and he seemed to take as much pride in drawing walks as hitting HRs. There was something charming and boyish about him even in his mid 30's; I've heard the same was absolutely true of Babe Ruth. There was always the sense that Manny didn't see himself as fitting in--not identifying himself as American despite growing up in NY, discussing his interest in spirituality one day then peeing in the green monster the next, impulsively saying he loves being in Boston (or LA) and saying he wants to stay forever, then taking the first plane out of town if the mood (or money) strikes him. Babe Ruth grew up in an orphanage in Baltimore and was never comfortable being extremely wealthy and popular--hence the drinking and prolongued immaturity. Not exactly parallel, but I'm left to think that if Babe Ruth was around many would talk about "Babe being Babe".

 

"yeah yeah Example1, shut up already! Manny's not as good as Babe Ruth!"

 

I don't know how to readily compare stats across generations, but I'll grant that Ruth's numbers, even if reduced by 20%, are unbelievable. Would Babe Ruth blow our mind if he played today?

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Just FYI (I'm looking it up, figured I would share ) :

 

Manny's career:

He's 78th in career AVG (.313)

10th in career OPS (1.0005)

36th in career OBP (.4095)

8th in career SLG (.591)

20th in career HR

51st in career 2B

47th in career TB

58th in career BB

22nd in career IBB

24th in career XBH

9th in AB per HR

 

This guy has 4-5 more productive years in him too.

 

Thanks for everything Man-Ram. You're as good as they get.

 

I'm glad we have Jason Bay now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Banning Boras would be to the benefit of all baseball. He's scum and several of his dealings the last few years have all been shady.

 

banning Boras, while nice on the outside, would hurt every single big market club since he seems to favor them significantly. The Sox would take a serious hit. The Yankees would take a massive hit. Just take a look at all the Boras clients on the yankees and sox. Take a look at the recent yankee draft picks who have Boras as an agent. Its nutty.

[BoSox21]

though I doubt it can be proven, especially when Boras points to Manny's stats for July, what Manny essentially did was fix games to an extent and that would be a hell of a harsh punishment

[Mr Crunchy]

boras favors big market clubs?

now we know why youre a doctor,that was some deep thinking there jack.

would he favor the big markets because they have the big bucks or because he likes to spend quality time in places like boston and ny each winter as opposed to his 25,000 sq foot office in laguna beach.

anyway

if they could ban him and the steinbrenner family and the hendrix bros that would a good start to getting this game back to the national past time it once was as opposed to the west coast/east coast competetion it is now.

and they still need a cap and i know it will hurt the sox but i dont care,its for the games health.

as much as a cap they need a mandated ceiling that would force these sperm bumpers like jeff loria to spend X amount each year rather than pocket all the cash.

between gate,tv,luxury tax gravy and mlb money a team like miami that spends 22M a year is probably clearing more take home money than the world champs when its all said and done.

OPEN THE BOOKS

lets see how bad the carl pohlads jeff lorias and some of the other heathens are screwing their fans.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course it is about the money. But FACT is that both of our teams are big market clubs and losing a guy like Boras would hurt us in the long run talent-wise. Hell, just look at the last 2 yankee first rounders. Both fell due to money concerns (Brackman due to injury as well, but most draft experts considered him a top 10 pick even knowing he needed TJ). Cole was considered the top HS arm in the entire draft, and was set to be drafted, in a slotting perfect world right around slots 5-8.

[schillingouttheks]

boras favors big market clubs?

now we know why youre a doctor,that was some deep thinking there jack.

would he favor the big markets because they have the big bucks or because he likes to spend quality time in places like boston and ny each winter as opposed to his 25,000 sq foot office in laguna beach.

anyway

if they could ban him and the steinbrenner family and the hendrix bros that would a good start to getting this game back to the national past time it once was as opposed to the west coast/east coast competetion it is now.

and they still need a cap and i know it will hurt the sox but i dont care,its for the games health.

as much as a cap they need a mandated ceiling that would force these sperm bumpers like jeff loria to spend X amount each year rather than pocket all the cash.

between gate,tv,luxury tax gravy and mlb money a team like miami that spends 22M a year is probably clearing more take home money than the world champs when its all said and done.

OPEN THE BOOKS

lets see how bad the carl pohlads jeff lorias and some of the other heathens are screwing their fans.

 

I just want to be sure - you mean a floor, not a ceiling, right? I'm not sure a cap is needed as much as a floor ... you could have both, but I don't think you'd get both. I mean, it's great to see teams like the Marlins and Rays playing great baseball, but that doesn't happen too often it seems. Essentially it seems like a floor is almost forcing a team to be more competitive, no? I'm not an expert in this area by any means, but I'm interested in hearing what other people think about the effects of a floor and/or cap in addition to which is ultimately better.

[PATS12RULE]

MLB made something like six billion dollars last year, and I don't know what sort of revenue sharing they have (if any), but there should be some sort of cap/floor. The problem is that players would definitely be against a cap, while enough owners would definitely be against a floor that neither has a good chance of happening anytime soon. It's hard to argue for a floor when teams like the Marlins can compete (and even win) every few years with such a small payroll. People can say that a floor would help the competitive balance, but there's enough of a legitimate argument against it that there's virtually no chance of either happening soon.

 

On the Manny investigations thing, I don't see how the commissioner's office could do anything other than suspend Boras or fine Manny. They can't nix the trade for the obvious reasons, they can't suspend Manny because all that does is hurt the Dodgers, and I doubt they would, say, award compensatory draft picks to the Sox. If they do find anything, I doubt they'd do anything more than suspend Boras. The players' union would probably fight against a Boras suspension because of what he does for the players. It would be a messy situation for all parties, so I don't think anything major will come from it.

[jacksonianmarch]

actually, the players are against the floor. Their reasoning is that a salary floor will soon be followed by a salary cap.

[Mr Crunchy]

thats what i meant,a floor

how can these guys pocket more than the sox or yanks while continually failing their fans.

howd you like to be in minny,1 game outta 1st,fighting for the wild card and having their best pitcher,francisco liriano getting double digit starts in the minors when healthy?

id be burning the luxury cars in the metrodome parking lot.

outrageous

or loria in miami,couldve had manny for essentially nothing while the sox pickup his contract yet he feels the need to extort a few extra mill out of us and in the process loses ramirez?

outrageous

now watch the marlins and twins in the world series.....that wont happen but it could