7/27 vs NYY

[Beckett95]

lol @ Wakefield a tough starter guy sucks

 

Are you serious? He's having an unbelievable year as a #4 starter with an ERA under 4 and a WHIP of 1.20 (his best since 2002). He has been getting lousy run support most of the time, which is why he only has 6 wins. How many #4 guys in any MLB rotation, have an ERA under 4 and a WHIP under 1.20? Actually, only 20 starters in baseball have a WHIP under 1.20 this year. And he's 45th in ERA in all of baseball, so i wouldnt say the guy sucks

[ORS]

lol @ Wakefield a tough starter guy sucks

Given the tenor and tone of your posts, many here already think you to be either an idiot, at best, or a coward who won't admit your true allegiance, at worst. Why say something stupid like this and confirm their suspicions?

 

The guy you claim "sucks" just got done with a stretch where he threw 9 straight quality starts. He's had a stretch of 7 games where he pitched at least 7 IP with 3 or less ER allowed.

 

This information is all freely available at a multitude of websites. I recommend you familiarize yourself with them.

[Bostonownsyou]

3.94 ERA' date=' 1.20 WHIP. Thats pretty damn good for a #4. Are you sure you're not a Yankee fan?[/quote']

 

I'm sure but 2003 and game 4 vs the Guardians stand out to me. If I was a Yankee fan why would I care about the Sox so much to get all fustrated?

[Bostonownsyou]

Given the tenor and tone of your posts, many here already think you to be either an idiot, at best, or a coward who won't admit your true allegiance, at worst. Why say something stupid like this and confirm their suspicions?

 

The guy you claim "sucks" just got done with a stretch where he threw 9 straight quality starts. He's had a stretch of 7 games where he pitched at least 7 IP with 3 or less ER allowed.

 

This information is all freely available at a multitude of websites. I recommend you familiarize yourself with them.

 

When does Tim ever beat the Yankees in a big spot? Show me where he does what Beckett, Lester and guys like Lowe do? I get it the guy isn't as awful as I make him out to be but every big spot he chokes.

[yankees228]

Eh, can't win them all. Nice win guys.

[yankees228]

I'm sure but 2003 and game 4 vs the Guardians stand out to me. If I was a Yankee fan why would I care about the Sox so much to get all fustrated?

 

lol at being upset at Tim Wakefield's performance in the 2003 postseason (I assume that's what you're talking about).

[Bostonownsyou]

Eh' date=' can't win them all. Nice win guys.[/quote']

 

Thanks, Going to be a wild stretch run finally a Yankee fan who isn't a hotdog kudos.

[Bostonownsyou]

lol at being upset at Tim Wakefield's performance in the 2003 postseason (I assume that's what you're talking about).

 

Tim has been killing me for the longest time. Alot of guys love the guy I just differ in my opinion, 2003 was just 1 of many sleepless nights suffered due to him.

[Beckett95]

I'm sure but 2003 and game 4 vs the Guardians stand out to me. If I was a Yankee fan why would I care about the Sox so much to get all fustrated?

 

He pitched very well in the playoffs in 2003, but everyone just remembers the HR he let up to end the season. s*** happens, anyone could have been on the mound and let up a HR to Boone.

 

But ever since the playoffs that year, he has sucked in the postseason (even though he didnt pitched much), ill give you that

[ORS]

I'm sure but 2003 and game 4 vs the Guardians stand out to me. If I was a Yankee fan why would I care about the Sox so much to get all fustrated?

You do realize that Wakefield was probably the ALCS MVP if Little doesn't make the epic blunder of leaving Pedro in, right?

[yankees228]

Tim has been killing me for the longest time. Alot of guys love the guy I just differ in my opinion' date=' 2003 was just 1 of many sleepless nights suffered due to him.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I know, but one pitch does not undo an entire series in which he was fantastic. There was a reason that Grady choose him to be the guy who got the ball in extra innings.

[Bostonownsyou]

Yeah' date=' I know, but one pitch does not undo an entire series in which he was fantastic. There was a reason that Grady choose him to be the guy who got the ball in extra innings.[/quote']

 

Thats why he was fired. If Redsox win that series no way they are smart enough to bring Francona here.

[yankees228]

Thats why he was fired. If Redsox win that series no way they are smart enough to bring Francona here.

 

I think he was fired because he left Pedro in. It had nothing to do with Wakefield.

[Bostonownsyou]

I think he was fired because he left Pedro in. It had nothing to do with Wakefield.

 

I understand that but say Wakefield doesn't give up that homerun and the Sox dance in the Bronx... Does he get fired?Probably not.

[yeszir]

I think he was fired because he left Pedro in. It had nothing to do with Wakefield.

 

I think he was saying that Little was fired because of what happened in New York in 2003, not because of his decision to go with Wakefield so much as his decision to go with Pedro. :dunno:

[CrespoBlows]

I understand that but say Wakefield doesn't give up that homerun and the Sox dance in the Bronx... Does he get fired?Probably not.

 

That would have made Wakefield the undisputed ALCS MVP if that happened.

[yeszir]

Or maybe I was wrong.

 

If Wakefield didn't give up that homerun, someone else would have. After Pedro's collapse, the Red Sox were not winning that game.

[yankees228]

I understand that but say Wakefield doesn't give up that homerun and the Sox dance in the Bronx... Does he get fired?Probably not.

 

True, but the Red Sox do not even make it to game seven if not for Wakefield. They won three games during that series, two of which were due directly to brilliant performances by Wakefield.

[Beckett95]

Thats why he was fired. If Redsox win that series no way they are smart enough to bring Francona here.

 

who else would you have rather seen? Arroyo was the only other possible option

[yankees228]

I think he was saying that Little was fired because of what happened in New York in 2003' date=' not because of his decision to go with Wakefield so much as his decision to go with Pedro. :dunno:[/quote']

 

Yeah, thanks, I see that now. Regardless, I think it is unfair to really put any of the blame on Wakefield for losing that series, mainly because of what he had done prior to that one pitch.

[yankees228]

Or maybe I was wrong.

 

If Wakefield didn't give up that homerun, someone else would have. After Pedro's collapse, the Red Sox were not winning that game.

 

Well, I don't think that is necessarily true. If Wakefield holds them that inning, you see someone not named Mariano Rivera in the 12th (probably either Jose Contreras or Andy Pettitte on zero days rest). The Red Sox still had their closer (or at least the guy that had been during the series, scott williamson) left in the bullpen.

[Bostonownsyou]

Yeah' date=' thanks, I see that now. Regardless, I think it is unfair to really put any of the blame on Wakefield for losing that series, mainly because of what he had done prior to that one pitch.[/quote']

 

1 pitch does not define a guy and your right about that. But if someone can get me Wakefields stats career vs the Yankees i'm sure he is under 500... Every time he faces them especially at Fenway it's BP. Now don't get me wrong if Tim pitches vs other teams besides the Yankees he is a very decent 4th starter.

 

But I think most Redsox/Yankee fans bring a little extra care and sense of urgency when it's head to head play.

[Beckett95]

Well' date=' I don't think that is necessarily true. If Wakefield holds them that inning, you see someone not named Mariano Rivera in the 12th (probably either Jose Contreras or Andy Pettitte on zero days rest). The Red Sox still had their closer (or at least the guy that had been during the series, scott williamson) left in the bullpen.[/quote']

 

would have been Contreras probably, which would have been good news for the Sox, but unfortunately it never made it there.

[ORS]

But if someone can get me Wakefields stats career vs the Yankees i'm sure he is under 500....

You seem to be able to type since you are posting here, get them yourself.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

[yankees228]

would have been Contreras probably' date=' which would have been good news for the Sox, but unfortunately it never made it there.[/quote']

 

I don't know, I heard something about Pettitte getting ready to head out to the bullpen, but I guess he probably wouldn't have been ready until later anyway. Either way, the Yankees would have lost the advantage they had with Rivera on the mound.

 

No need to rehash old memories though...

[Beckett95]

1 pitch does not define a guy and your right about that. But if someone can get me Wakefields stats career vs the Yankees i'm sure he is under 500... Every time he faces them especially at Fenway it's BP. Now don't get me wrong if Tim pitches vs other teams besides the Yankees he is a very decent 4th starter.

 

But I think most Redsox/Yankee fans bring a little extra care and sense of urgency when it's head to head play.

 

Wakefield career vs. Yankees: 9-17 5.14 ERA in 214 IP

 

But they don't play the Yankees 162 games a year, so im not really worried

[Beckett95]

No need to rehash old memories though...

 

yeah im all set about talking about that whole day

[Bostonownsyou]

You seem to be able to type since you are posting here, get them yourself.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

 

No idea what site to use for something like that.

[See Red]

No idea what site to use for something like that.

 

Maybe try the link he gave you...

[yeszir]

No idea what site to use for something like that.

 

It's a pretty basic statistic that's relatively easy to look up. Good thing to know how to do. The site ORS posted is definitely a start, it's the greatest baseball site out there.